Searched but didn't really find answers. I'm thinking of maybe buying one of these, but was wondering if anyone knows if it's possible to stick a 5150 into it. Also if anyone has any info on the ux2 worth sharing etc I'd appreciate it

Cheers

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Into it directly? No, not at all without a proper guitar DI box with cabinet emulation. Ie: Behringer GI100 and Palmer PDI-09. Get the palmer, it's more expensive but sounds infinitely better and requires no batteries.

What a DI box does is take the signal from either the FX loop send/preamp out or the speaker out(must have a "line thru" to your speaker to provide the proper load or you will kill your amp!) and "balances" it to a line-level, which is absolutely necessary to achieve a good sound with direct recording. The cabinet sim feature is necessary so that the sound won't be too flat and dull, fake and artificial, the cab simulator makes direct recordings sound like a real amp with a speaker box.

However some preamps and high end amps come with balanced XLR outs as well as cabinet simulation(Ie: Pod XT Pro, Behringer V-Amp Pro, Ampeg VH140C, Engl Sovereign), so you don't need a DI box/cab sim with those, just plug the XLR out straight into the Toneport/recorder/mic preamp/mixer or anything with an XLR in and go.

As for the Line 6 Toneport per se, don't get it, they're pretty unreliable. Spend just a little more and you'll be able to get a kickass interface that won't be prone to huge latency(lag and popping/crackling) while recording).

Interfaces better than the UX2:

Tapco Link.USB - Not so sure if it's so great, but it's better than all the other USB interfaces for 150$(like the Tascam US-122, Edirol, Emu, etc.)

M-Audio Fasttrack Pro - 200$, very reliable and very good sound quality with little lag.

Or if you have Firewire, get the one I'm getting:
Presonus Inspire. 180-200$ new. Essentially an "introductory version" of the Presonus Firebox(300$ interface)

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Ahh nice one, cheers for the indepth response. Yeah I'm not wanting to spend too money on this as it isn't a serious movement, just an extra source of motivation for learnign to play etc and make songs. The UX2 does have some decent guitar settings etc (used one yesterday at a friend's, see the guitar forum to hear what we made with this) but it's the fact of owning recording gear and knowing the tone wouldn't be from a bastard of an amp sat in the corner.

I've fucked around with the ux2 a bit so it's quite familiar, and I've seen that it comes with all the software etc I'd need to get recording, though cos I havn't used anything else I'm not sure if they'd all come with it.



Cheer!

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The other interfaces will work with all the same software that the UX2 ones can, plus more, except Line 6's own software probably(but it's garbage anyway).

I'm buying the recording thing for a motivational purpose to write songs too. Trust me it's well worth spending a bit more money because in the long run you'll want to upgrade. And why would you wanna use the guitar sims it has when you can easily record your 5150 with much better sound?

Seriously get something like the interfaces I mentioned and especially the Palmer PDI-09 if you plan on recording direct/silently, you would get killer sounds out of the Palmer with your 5150 alone, regardless of what recording interface, but I suggest those interfaces because they won't CRAP OUT after a few months! Seriously the UX2, Tascam US-122, and even the Tapco I hear are prone to breaking down after a few months, it's worth spending 30-40$ more on something that's gonna last.

If you check ebay for those interfaces you'll find em pretty cheap 2nd hand. I'm no pro but a setup like this is guaranteed to kick ass if you do it right.

You can always get a dynamic mic like the SM57 instead if you don't wanna do direct recording, but I personally find DI far more convenient(and quiet).

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Once again, cheers for the response. I'm sure these questions may frustrate you, as they are probably obvious answers, just I don't know much and most of the info online revolves around selling them

Do all of these others come with the software that includes things such as the multitrack recording? And if I bought one of those, would I need anything else, such as for the computer etc? I do know what you mean about wanting to upgrade, especially to use the 5150, just this UX2 seems like it provides everything I need... But it is worth a hunt around if I can get everything and the 5150 crammed in too

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All of em USB/Firewire interfaces come with a bunch of software for multitrack recording. The Presonus Inspire comes with Cubase SX which is pretty bad-ass. And you can always download any recording software you fancy and you'll be able to use it with most interfaces. Ie: Kristal, Cool Edit Pro, Sonar, GarageBand, Nuendo, etc.

Oh yeah btw you can forget about multitracking with the Line 6, it'll give you assloads of lag/popping. Recording 2 tracks at a time generally doesn't work fast with USB, unless you're using the M-Audio Fasttrack Pro perhaps, but I strongly suggest the Firewire Presonus Inspire, cuz it's much faster apart from the durability thing.
Again, you want to go direct with the 5150, you simply need the DI box with cab emulation in conjunction with the interface.

All you need for recording with your 5150 if going:

Direct: Interface + DI box with cab emulation + XLR cable.
Micing: Interface + XLR cable + microphone.

Forget what I said about upgrading. The Toneport is just unreliable and will give you problems in a matter of months. Just do yourself a favor and stay away from the Line 6, the stuff it comes with(amp simulation) is crap man, you're better off buying a Behringer V-Amp Pro for the same price and you'll get infinitely better direct recordings going straight into your PC's soundcard. And it'll probably last longer, and it's a Behringer!



If you wanna go the cheapest route with your 5150, get the Behringer GI100 DI box and the Presonus Inspire, that's like 210 euros off thomann, and will last/yield extremely better results than plugging straight into Line 6's amp modeler stuff.

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Cheers again,
I found this on ebay for example:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Presonus-Insp...VQQcmdZViewItem

If I were to buy that, how much would I then need to invest to get my amp through it etc? Sorry for all the shite questions...

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Soeru do you need this DI box even using hte direct out on an amp?

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Well depends, if the direct out already balances the signal to a "Line Level" and has some form of cabinet emulation(it's a simple hi pass filter), then no, you don't need any DI box with cab sim because the amp already does its job for you. I know the Ampeg VH140C does exactly this as well as some other amps(Tech 21 Trademark 300 too). Some amps don't have as good cab emulation as a PDI-09 though.

deifiler, apart from the Inspire all you need is an XLR cable and either this:

http://www.thomann.de/ie/palmer_pdi09.htm

or if you're short on cash, this:

http://www.thomann.de/ie/behringer_gi100_ultra-g.htm

I'm not suggesting the H&K Red Box Pro/Classic cuz I hear it sucks balls for metal/high gain stuff.

if you want to record without any mic. I've heard some samples of this identical/similar setup and holy shit, you cannot tell it's not a mic'ed cab(the Behringer isn't as good though, not as authentic).

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Well i'm pretty positive it is a line level out. I've tried to "record with it" before and it comes out... sounding so ... terribly awful that i'm still baffled that people record with direct in. (being that they OBVIOUSLY know something that i do not.)

However i most definately record bass from that same direct out on every single song i've produced. I definately dip the highs significantly (to get rid of that like extra hiss and fuzz sound).

Any suggestions to improve this sound? Cabinet simulator or wha?

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What amp is it exactly? That terrible fizz sounds like the amp has neither a balanced out nor cab simulation, so I'm almost sure that you need a DI box.

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Crate blue voodoo 150h

According ot the manual it says that the slave out jack.

"Use this jack to connect the amplifier to a second guitar amp, a powered monitor, or recording console. The signal at this jack is an attenuated replica of the signal at the speaker output jacks."

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Ah yeah no wonder, if it's for slaving to another amp then it's most certainly not balanced and not cabinet emulated. Everyone says you can hook it up to a mixer, but for that you need a Palmer PDI-09 or similar guitar DI box so it won't sound like fizz and artificial because of the lack of a speaker voicing.

Use a DI either with that slave jack, in between your speaker out and cab(it handles speaker levels, so long as you hook it up to a load), or at the very end of your FX loop. That's what you need.

Btw try both the slave out and in between your speaker out and cab, just to check that the "attenuated" feature on the slave out isn't crapping out your tone when going direct.

Just wondering why THE FUCK WOULD ANYONE EVER NEED TO SLAVE OUT A BV-150??? Like it didn't have massive amounts of volume on it's own.

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Hell the 300 has one too. haha Now THATS a fucking mystery. But it sounds exactly the same as my 150s slave out.

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