by ripping peavey the fuck off. www.bugera-amps.com

they have a 333 head which is clearly a xxx clone.

then on top of that, they have a 6260 which is clearly a 6505 clone.

to make it even more obvious, they have a 6262 model that is clearly a 6505+ clone.

and i thought madison was shitty for making cheap chinese pcb jcm 2000 copies and claiming they were botique and hand built in the u.s.a.

still though, it'd be interesting to see how they really sound, and how much they cost... being as peavey already has pretty reasonable pricing on their nice tube heads. if behringer/bugera can top those prices and keep decent tone/quality in these amps, they're probably going to dominate the cheap tube amp market and give 5150's & blue voodoo's a run for their money.

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Jay, another gay amp brand! though I won't exactly call the xxx and 6505 boutique amps..

they're probably relatively cheap. else there won't be much of a market for it.

333 is only half the evilness of 666

Saw these on Harmony Central forums a few days ago. Interesting, moreso than those B-52's noone knows anything about. If they're not subject to stupid reliability issues brought about by crappy workmanship it would be definately cool to see high gain tube amps easier in the reach of more modest players. I admit the "boutique" label is lame because these probably aren't really handmade, but I'd still like to try one out some day.

I predict they'll cost between 400-500$. Any more and I don't think they'll sell.

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Haha, I love their one endorsee. Poor Shane.

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dang. the 6202 (whatever it is) even has the chicken head nobs. they arnt even trying to hide.

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LOL I CANT STOP LAUGHING BULLSHIT!!!!!
GERMAN ENGENEERING IN DA HOUSE

i was using the term "botique" jokingly of course... because we all know you can put behringer, peavey, ripoff, and botique in the same sentence in all seriousness.

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botique??

I think he means boutique..

Either way that is funny shit. Maybe they'll be cool amps after all....or maybe they can sit next to my krank stack!!!

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Either they're selling it at a loss or they use the crappiest tansformers and mechanical parts available (jacks, switches, relays / LDR's, potentiometers etc).. Someone should open one and shoot some pics on the inside.

Edit: Hmm, at least the transformers visible on the 5150 clone don't look undersized.. well what do i know, maybe they steal parts somewhere.

Maybe other companies over-charge.

im wondering will I be able to try one of these at say maybe guitar center pretty soon?

well, one part of me says: behringer never made any gear I liked or that didn't break down in 3 months because it's plastic crap with shoddy parts.

on the other hand, I'm curious how they sound.

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behringer made the v amp thats about it that they make pretty good.

i have a behringer pa mixer that's held up for years... nothing fancy, but it works fine. but generally when it comes to my guitar stuff, i'm way to picky and snobbish to allow anything behringer.

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+1.

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if someone is willing to pay that price, they can pay it. i would say peavey has kept it real on the pricing of their amps... only recently they have realized they could get away with charging a little more for the 6505 series. bu for the longest time 5150's and 6505's were under $1,000 u.s.d. new.

this is going to be more for the people shopping on price alone.

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This guy's myspace has a vid of him at NAMM this year doing a demo for these amps

http://www.myspace.com/shaneshred

Pricing

http://www.behringer.com/02_product...cid=US&pbrand=1

Just had to dig around that website for about 5 min to find the answers to what you guys were asking.

That guy can play - don't really dig the style but he's good. These amps are dirt cheap too, I may have to check one out one day.

i wonder if those are the actual retail prices that they're going to go for in stores, or the list price(meaning they'd be even cheaper)... either way, they'r definatly cheap enough to catch alot of attention for people looking to get a tube head at a good price.

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I find it funny that they purposely avoid calling it a Behringer.

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thats because when people hear behringer, they thing "shitty solid state modelling crap that will break down in 6 months"

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Exactly kinda sad isnt it.

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Exactly, None of these "high end" end amps are actually worth their retail price.
I bet at least half the components are from the same factories in China!

way to be a year late on the reply there.

i've been talking to store owners and apparently they've had a 25%, 2 week fail rate. For every 4 they sell, 1 comes back within 2 weeks with issues.

lets compare that to my amp. I'm the 3rd owner. Its 14 years old. The only thing that has ever been done to it is a tube swap.

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Better late than never.. Yeah, I've had an old Fender bassman, an ancient Music Man and a JCM900 and they were rock solid. I just think that the way manufacturer's are now using off shore parts and labour that their prices have to be grossly overinflated. I'd die for an Engl but can't afford one, with a mortage etc etc. Guess i'll just wait till behringer make a $799 copy for me. lol.

I work in a music store that sells them,

The sound is pretty decent and the only reason they're cheaper is because they're made by behringer who does everything - construction, packaging, international distribution, national distribution and they sell direct to the retail stores, whereas companies like marshall and peavey have someone design it, that person sells it to the manufacturer, they sell it to the international distributor, then they sell it to the national one, then they do the same to the retail stores. As far as components go, it would probably only cost about $20 more to make a marshall - and that's generally cause it costs less to pay the chinese. I'm sure everyone can see the amount of profit margins put onto a product before it reaches the retail store.

Not to say that you shouldn't buy a marshall or peavey over one, but for thise that cant afford the price of a marshall or peavey, the bugera's are great. Only minor difference in sound quality from say the 333XL to a JVM 4 channel.

Retal price (in Australian dollars) is:

333XL head - $999
333 Head - $899 All four are 120 Watts
6262 Head - $899
6260 Head - $799

Combos go for about $200 more than their respective heads and are 2 speaker.

My Opinion: Essentially, I haven't had one comeback faulty yet (after having sold about 6 of them personally) so reliability is (well, thus far anyway) half decent. Soundwise, if you can afford the marshall or peavey, go for it, unless you aren't too picky with your sound, you can still get a fucking killer tone from the 333XL or 6262, the difference is minor and negligible.

I'm not just saying this cause I have to sell them, cause as a rule I wouldn't touch anything behringer except thier mixers, but I am considering getting a 333XL head & Quad as a backup/second amp.

Hope this helps anyone considering them, but by all means, try one, spend a good 5/10 mins refining the tone settings and you should be pleasantly surprised with the sound. Everyones perception of good tone is different.

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Don't even buy their mixers, they're really poorly made, unreliable, underspecced and have a really bad sound quality. At uni we've got a few, and they are truely awful- you get loads of crosstalk between channels/busses... i could go on for hours about them

The only piece of Behringer gear that i'd perhaps buy, would be a headphone amp/splitter, for use in a live room- it doesn't really matter if you're getting ultra high quality sound or not when you're tracking, but aside from that, i wouldn't use it

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I've been using a Behringer mixer for my PA for about 6-7 years now. Not really any complaints or problems with it. Of course it's not amazing. But it was cheap and does what I need it to.

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For PA use, they're probably ok, my experience is with mixing- the audio gets quite affected by the internal components- it adds a fair amount of noise and you get crosstalk between busses, and the audio gets a kind of 'blanket' over the high end.

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Behringer sounds like hooking up a PA to your asshole, but it does work for about 3 years without fail.

EDIT: I would never used anything behringer at a live sound gig. (Except for their passive DI's...they sound good but die every 3 months)

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