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i accidently touched a widow, once. there was a good number of them where i used to work. they would hide inside the chlorine cylinder caps. i was repainting and tagging a bunch of caps, and hadnt found my gloves. i picked up a cap, with my fingers inside, and felt something move. dropped the cap on the table, and a widow ran out.
at one point, we had a clear container with various bugs. 2 widows, some fire ants, 2 grasshoppers and some catapillars. one of the old mexican dudes passed by and said "pinche bugs life" 
edit: just got home from school. on the way, i stopped at a store and bought a tripod. just took a pic of the argiope, at my house:
tripod=stable 
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nice..now you just gotta focus. i love how they rest with their legs paired up like that.
haha touching a widow would be enough to get me to jump..especially if i didn't know it was coming. i've seen pics of people on this arachnid forum that have let them crawl around on them. they don't just scoop them up like they might with a tarantula. at least i don't think they do. regardless of method, i'll probably never give it a try. |
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nice..now you just gotta focus. i love how they rest with their legs paired up like that.
haha touching a widow would be enough to get me to jump..especially if i didn't know it was coming. i've seen pics of people on this arachnid forum that have let them crawl around on them. they don't just scoop them up like they might with a tarantula. at least i don't think they do. regardless of method, i'll probably never give it a try. |
oh believe me, i was pretty freaked about the widow. and i think people letting them crawl on their arm is risky, and pretty pointless....
anyway. haha, what do you mean focus? i think i just need a higher quality camera. i mean, that was on a tripod, and at about 1 1/2 feet away. a pretty decent distance, for close ups. also, im just using a pretty average digital camera. i need to invest in a better one, with a good lens. |
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was it on a manual focus setting? sometimes, even with a nice camera, if you use auto focus..it picks the wrong focal point. best is to get it into manual mode, then get it nice and crisp. another thing to do is use the delayed shutter feature if you have one. so you can click it and then the camera takes the picture 10 or however many seconds later. i've found that in some low light (or just certain camera settings during the day) that when you push the button, it shifts the camera slightly. with that delay feature, the camera is perfectly still.
last thing i do, is take a handful of pics. sometimes i'll think the one pic i took is enough, and it even looks good in the lcd screen. then when i get home and look at it, i think "damn it!" if i take a bunch of pics, there are some i don't like as much..and then there are some that are exactly what i wanted.
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was it on a manual focus setting? sometimes, even with a nice camera, if you use auto focus..it picks the wrong focal point. best is to get it into manual mode, then get it nice and crisp. another thing to do is use the delayed shutter feature if you have one. so you can click it and then the camera takes the picture 10 or however many seconds later. i've found that in some low light (or just certain camera settings during the day) that when you push the button, it shifts the camera slightly. with that delay feature, the camera is perfectly still.
last thing i do, is take a handful of pics. sometimes i'll think the one pic i took is enough, and it even looks good in the lcd screen. then when i get home and look at it, i think "damn it!" if i take a bunch of pics, there are some i don't like as much..and then there are some that are exactly what i wanted.
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hmm..what kind of camera is it? maybe try backing up another half a foot? it's hard for me to tell..but it almost looks like the wood in the background is a little better defined.
edit..another thing i forgot, though if you did all that other shit, you probably did this too. does your camera have a macro mode?
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not sure what macro is. i glimpsed through the menu, and i noticed that the comprssion was on "standard", when there is a "fine" option. could this be it?
this is my moms camera. and i really have been wanting to not only get my own, but get a GOOD one.
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Macros are programmable shortcuts.
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not sure what macro is. i glimpsed through the menu, and i noticed that the comprssion was on "standard", when there is a "fine" option. could this be it?
this is my moms camera. and i really have been wanting to not only get my own, but get a GOOD one.
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that could be it. sounds like just higher quality images. if there is a dial with different illustrations on it, there should be one that is a flower. that is the "macro mode" symbol.
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so i dont want to use macro? or i do?
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you do. it optimize the camera for close ups. it's good for portrait photography too. i use it all the time when shooting my critters, also for my beer portraits.  |
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i think we have solved the problem!!!! not only was i not using macro, but i went into the menu, and the compression was set to "standard" 
so, with the macro setting, a low f-stop, tripod and fine compression... i took this picture:
(we fed her a horse fly)
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now i just need her to face the other way to get a good one of her design.
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nice! before you couldn't really see the hairs on the legs clearly, but now they are coming through well. heh looks like a nice meal for her. i'm sure she doesn't appreciate your help, but i'm sure she loves the meals. a one way street that spider love is.
i agree, the other side is very nice looking. it's also called the dorsal side, this last picture being the ventral side. those are easy to remember as long as you know what dorsal fins on sharks and dolphins are. that's how i did it at least. |
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cool cool. btw, this is a screen print from a preview, saved in MS paint.... i know, baaaaad. but i dont have photoshop, and i didnt feel like resizing and cropping with the picture manager
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whatever works!
were you zooming in as far as it would go without losing focus? that's another thing to it..no matter what camera you use, when you get to it's maximum capability, the quality drops a bit. here's a pic i took of a jumper in my yard. you can see how it is kinda grainy everywhere. not in perfect focus either..was tough though, cause it was nervous about me following it around with my camera lens near it. it kept moving around onto the other side of leaves, or other branches.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_2149s.jpg
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that spider looks like a crab/lobster
i wasnt zooming with the camera, but i did zoom the preview a good amount. once i get photoshop here, things will change |
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I have a pet toad now. hes the size of a softball, right now. I named him Jukka. the house we got him from, has others.... some the size of basketballs.
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dont they carry their eggsacks around?
my vagans is doing fine, refused eating a while ago, so he will probably grow even larger.
my guttata escaped AGAIN. This time it was my own dumb fault, but I found it back after a couple of days and now its doing GREAT. Shed its skin recently, now is approx. 40 centimetres. When are snakes big enough for sexing?
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nope, Argiope species fix theirs to their web or right next to it hidden in leaves or something. i believe that is the same for all orbweavers.
you're thinking of wolf spiders. they will fix theirs to the underside of their abdomen and carry it around until it hatches..then the babies climb onto her abdomen. there are so many that there are layers of them. she caries them around for a bit until the disperse. one of the few spiders that shows that much parental care for the young. those Argiope will just make the egg sac and let nature run it's course.
that sucks about the snake..well good you found it. how is it getting loose? you have to make sure their lids are on tight. once they figure out how to get out, they'll try and exploit that weakness again and again.
i'm not sure how big they have to be to be able to be sexed, but i'd say at that size you should be able to find out. i'd probably take it to someone with experience with snakes, or a reptile shop. there they can probe it or do the "popping" method which is not endorsed by all. i never knew the sex of any of my snakes. never had any intentions of mating them anyway..at least anytime soon. once that time came, i'd be sure to find out.
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it escaped because i didnt close the tank properly...it has two sliding doors, and when you close the first one, the second sometimes gives in a inch or two. Some of my housemates were scared shitless  I was really, really happy when i found it back. Man, I love this snake so much, snakes have been my favorite animals for ages but I never had the guts to get one, just like a tattoo if you know what i mean. |
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haha that's funny about your roommates. scared of a non poisonous 40cm snake. do you handle the snake often? if it is really docile, then that is even funnier. i think my old roommates would've preferred one of the snakes to get loose over the adult tarantulas. |
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Spiders are sick fucks....they eat each others, kills the male after sex, dont give a fuck about their child, are ugly, do nothing exept being ugly and being poisonous, being expensive for nothing useful, being ugly as fuck.....
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Graf, those are all links to Argiope Aurantia egg sacks
mine is Argiope Argentata. and according to this website, they are egg sacks:
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It seems like they make the sacks resemble their body shape. in the respect that the Aurantia is round, and the Argentata has points.
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haha that's funny about your roommates. scared of a non poisonous 40cm snake. do you handle the snake often? if it is really docile, then that is even funnier. i think my old roommates would've preferred one of the snakes to get loose over the adult tarantulas. |
yeah i handle mine almost every day, it's such a cuty-pie, haha
and Bob, get a tarantula man, they looks awesome when they walk around!
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Spiders are sick fucks....they eat each others, kills the male after sex, dont give a fuck about their child, are ugly, do nothing exept being ugly and being poisonous, being expensive for nothing useful, being ugly as fuck.....
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they do eat each other, though there are a small handful of species that you can keep communally. you just have to provide plenty of space, hiding space, and food.
they don't always kill the male after sex. i've only tried mated tarantulas two or three times, and not once was the male harmed in any way. it does happen though..which isn't necessarily a bad thing. that is for two reasons. 1. he gives her a huge meal which aids in providing nutrients for producing a nice egg sac. 2. the males don't live long after they mature anyway, so he could either go out by providing for his possible offspring, or at least your female, or he can die slowly of old age.
many of them do care for their kids up to a point. try taking an egg sac from a P. murinus mother.  she won't eat them when the hatch..but once they hatch, they are on their own, and are ready to deal with it. some don't make it, but that is how it is in nature. wolf spiders show the most caring, as she'll carry her young around on her abdomen until they are ready to disperse. widows also capture extra food and secure it in the web near the egg sacs so the young can have a nice meal before going out on their own.
as for ugly..i wholeheartedly disagree. sure there are some species that are kinda dull, but there are many that are far from dull in appearance. plus i think, the more you know about them, the more you appreciate them for what they are..and that brings out more of their beauty i'd say.
as for expensive..there are some expensive ones..mainly adult females of rare species, but i have had plenty i got for free or for very cheap. besides free, the least i've spent on one was $2, the next expensive was $4, $5..etc. the most was expensive though..$165. which is nothing next to many snakes..i've seen some rare snakes over $10,000!
true, they aren't too active..they are ambush predators. the mature males are the most active as far as roaming around, because they are looking for a mate before they die soon. they all still maintain some level of activity. webbing, moving dirt around, burrowing, feeding, mating, grooming themselves, molting, moving around decorations you put in there, and sometimes they even tip over or bury their water dishes. they're all different.
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Graf, those are all links to Argiope Aurantia egg sacks
mine is Argiope Argentata. and according to this website, they are egg sacks:
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huh, well there you have it..a couple sacs. i have never seen an Argiope sac myself..just went to find a couple pics and didn't pay attention to species. keep an eye on it, you may get to see them emerge. i've only seen it happen once, but i don't know what the genus was..i have it narrowed down to two different spiders because they were the most dominant in that locale..
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...k/IMG_2922s.jpg
and just a side note, (not sure why) but the genus name is always capitalized while the species name is not. it's not really that big of a deal since this isn't some science forum haha..just thought i'd through that out there.
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cool, that will keep it used to being handled as it grows..and you will most likely wind up with a very mellow adult. just be careful to wash your hands after handling food items..they will smell it on your hands and strike.
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Spiders are sick fucks....they eat each others, kills the male after sex, dont give a fuck about their child, are ugly, do nothing exept being ugly and being poisonous, being expensive for nothing useful, being ugly as fuck.....
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Snakes don't care for their offspring, either. A great deal of snakes prey upon other snakes and a percentage of those species are also cannibalistic. Many snakes are also ridiculously expensive, and some are ugly, too. Acrochordus are incredibly ugly, look them up. They are actually soooo ugly that they almost become cute, in a sympathetic sort of way.
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huh, well there you have it..a couple sacs. i have never seen an Argiope sac myself..just went to find a couple pics and didn't pay attention to species. keep an eye on it, you may get to see them emerge.
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dude, there was a small hole in the sack, and i could see the eggs in there.
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cool, there should be a SHITLOAD more. at least a few hundred i would guess and up to somewhere over 1000.
today i went to the 41st annual rattlesnake festival in san antonio (florida ). saw a snake show that reviewed various snakes, venomous and non-venomous. other displays were there, as well as a ton of vendors, live music on a few different stages, etc. needless to say, i took a lot of pictures. forgive my lack of knowledge of the scientific names. still haven't learned a lot of them for snakes.
albino python
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...l/IMG_3604s.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...l/IMG_3837s.jpg
rat snake and corn snake
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...l/IMG_3616s.jpg
don't remember what this one is..not a black racer though, i know that.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...MG_3629crop.jpg
hognose displayed to show an example of a mimic snake (mimic of a pygmy rattlesnake)
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...l/IMG_3635s.jpg
pygmy rattlesnake
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...l/IMG_3641s.jpg
scarlet king snake...a mimic of the venomous coral snake.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...l/IMG_3654s.jpg
coral snake
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...l/IMG_3667s.jpg
forget what this one was also, it's represented as a mimic of a cottonmouth.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...MG_3672crop.jpg
cottonmouth
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...l/IMG_3682s.jpg
the reason it's called a cotton mouth.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...l/IMG_3691s.jpg
copperhead
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...l/IMG_3700s.jpg
some rattlesnake, can't remember which specific one it is.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...MG_3707crop.jpg
attempting to milk the above rattlesnake. didn't work out like he hoped.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...l/IMG_3726s.jpg
close up
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...MG_3727crop.jpg
rattlesnake shed skin..looks like one big fucking rattlesnake. it was cut down the middle, split open, then tape was applied to the back to keep it from falling apart.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...l/IMG_3733s.jpg
eastern diamondback rattlesnake
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...l/IMG_3748s.jpg
milking the edr...also didn't really work out. when it was over, everyone was able to go up and grab a free poster that had all of the venomous snakes in florida as well as their mimics, if any existed..while i was up there, i looked at the funnel and there was a drop of liquid on the side, but the vial at the bottom was empty.
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random tortoise
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baby alligator
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...l/IMG_3785c.jpg
gila monster
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cobra
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...l/IMG_3809s.jpg
blurry, but the cobra raised up a good 3 feet in the air while the guy was trying to remove it from the box. i thought he was about to get struck!
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...l/IMG_3810s.jpg
finally out of the box.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...l/IMG_3814s.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...l/IMG_3825s.jpg
one big mother fucker.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...l/IMG_3829s.jpg
there were some other animals on display in a different area..felt bad for them in the tiny ass cages.
panther?
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...l/IMG_3850s.jpg
bear
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...l/IMG_3858s.jpg
tiger
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...l/IMG_3864s.jpg
wasn't sure what this one was..some sort of lynx or some related feline.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...l/IMG_3874s.jpg
turtle/tortoise, not sure which or what distinguishes them from each other.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...l/IMG_3876s.jpg
ball python hanging out.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...l/IMG_3877s.jpg
stumbled across another tend that had snakes on display.
gray ratsnake
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...l/IMG_3878s.jpg
corn snake with me in the reflection. subhumans are the shit.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...l/IMG_3884s.jpg
pine snake
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...l/IMG_3887s.jpg
yellow rat snake
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...l/IMG_3894s.jpg
some rare/offbeat color forms of ball pythons
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...l/IMG_3901s.jpg
scarlet king snake
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...l/IMG_3910s.jpg
coral snake
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...l/IMG_3913s.jpg
canebrake/timber rattlesnake
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...l/IMG_3916s.jpg
close up..kinda blurry.
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eastern diamondback
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...l/IMG_3924s.jpg
cottonmouth/water moccasin
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somewhat blurry close up.
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pygmy rattlesnake
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copperhead
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nice beardie frost. those things are pretty cool..i've never had one, but would look in on them when i'd go to get crickets and mice from the reptile store. have thought about getting one, but i guess in the end it is better that i didn't since i'd just have to sell it.
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sweet pix, stevefrost and graf. hes lookin' good.
we set up a bug light for Jukka, my toad. he is fuckin' SURROUNDED by moths, and already gaining weight. by the way, he has a friend now. we added another toad, but its smaller.
EGGS HAVE HATCHED!!! not only that, but the Argentata made another sack . I looked close tonight, and saw tiny tiny babies. fed her a moth, a beetle, and the usual mid grasshoper.
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edit: by the way, i named my Argentata the other day. I wanted something with an "X" to represent the shape she rests in. she is Xenid.
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thanks chris. i'm still pretty bad when it comes to the scientific names of snakes. i know a handful...spiders are definitely my strong area when it comes to the real names.
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thanks chris. i'm still pretty bad when it comes to the scientific names of snakes. i know a handful...spiders are definitely my strong area when it comes to the real names.
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Naja naja represents an asiatic species formerly known colloquially as the Indian cobra, and undoubtedly still known as such among venomous hobbyists despite the fact that the name might not fit after a massive revision of that entire genus on the Asian continent. There's an excellent documentation of that revision that Wüster put together in such a way that any regular Joe can read it with ease.
http://sbsweb.bangor.ac.uk/~bss166/Taxa/AsNaja.htm
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queeeeeeeeeeeestion!
ok to use a rock in a terrarium, you put rocks in oven @ 250F and let it be for 30 mins, after it cools down, fair game.
so if i wanted to use wood for climbing reasons, how would i make said wood clean and safe for my lizard's health?
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queeeeeeeeeeeestion!
ok to use a rock in a terrarium, you put rocks in oven @ 250F and let it be for 30 mins, after it cools down, fair game.
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it should do fine on low heat like that...the only thing that i'd worry about is the smell that's going to result of baking it.
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nope..not even sure what exactly they look like. i caught a blue tailed skink or 4 lined skink i guess it is called. just wound up letting it go.
only reptiles i've had so far (that i count) are snakes.
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They're pretty cool looking, easy to take care of, and really cheap too. I was thinking about buying one just to have a reptile in my pet collection, lol.
The blue-tongued skink is also really cool looking, but I can't find them anywhere around here.
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DUUUUH! I know this, but here pet shops sucks and there are only dogs, cats, birds and fish....reptile are pretty rare
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hah yea, it is fun. girls love that shit too! well some don't..but most do. i haven't taken mine out in a bit..been caught up in getting ready for the navy (finally) video games, and playing guitar. have remembered feeding, cleaning, and watering..just haven't sat down with the snake in a while. i'd laugh it if finally, after 2 years, decided to bite me for the first time on the next time i try to take it out. still don't know the sex either. |
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haha what's cool about watching a turtle sleep for months?
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Well, it's actually a tortoise to be told. I rescue the poor little fuckers when I find them in crossing a major high traffic road. Lots of 16yo noob piss fat fucks, with a driver licence, a fresh new car, and like minding ignorant sadistic fuck friends to entertain; love to run over and brag about the ordeal where I now live. Side story, I actually seen someone drive onto the shoulder of the road to run over and kill what looked like a Painted turtle one day... I followed and confronted 
Back to the point, I will either assist in getting most turtles across the road or take them so far out into the refuges near the Mississippi swamps that they will be forced to accept there new home without the ever perilous crossing of the road.
The box tortoise that is now the family pet turtle behaves unlike any terrapin I have ever seen, and I have caught hundreds. We tried to release it but it just turned around and came right back to Mrs Soulinsane, stopped, and looked around at her! To keep things short, it has been here for the last 6 months without any signs of stress and loves to watch TV, to be hand fed crickets, take naps with people, chase the cat, and is litter area trained  This month though she has gone into hibernation. She has stopped eating, drinking, pooping or peeing, and has found a dark warm corner in the closet. It is an amazing transformation from the lively creature from this summer.
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Ever get to see a Camel Spider? I heard the rumors and pranks other Sailors and Marines like to tell and pull over on the new guys; like that camel spiders are highly aggressive and will look into your eyes, jump 15 feet, and land on your face to bite you Not true. Fact is though, those fuckers are scary looking. Its kinda hard to like them but I never went out of my way to hurt one.
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yeah, there are some funny vids of scared privates in iraq, hahaha.
gutatta question: it stopped eating , yep it refused a pinky twice. The looks are still fine and its pretty active. It might be a mould coming up, but the last time it shed its skin it didnt stopped eating.
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yeah, there are some funny vids of scared privates in iraq, hahaha.
gutatta question: it stopped eating , yep it refused a pinky twice. The looks are still fine and its pretty active. It might be a mould coming up, but the last time it shed its skin it didnt stopped eating.
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probably nothing to worry about. like you said, could be getting ready to shed. i would just wait a bit and try feeding again. how often do you feed it? and just so you know, it's guttata  Elaphe guttata guttata
those camel spiders, or Solfugids, are pretty cool little buggers. i've never owned one myself. it is tricky keeping them alive for long periods of time it seems. there's a video online somewhere of one catching and eating a scorpion. tough little bastards. |
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hmm...i guess it's likely that the snake is getting ready to shed or else it just didn't feel like eating haha. i've only had a snake refuse a meal when it was about to shed.. other than that, they eat well.
have been trying to take my snake out for the last couple days..it's been cooler than normal though, and it seems the snake is mostly hiding and keeping warm. it's not too cold in the house really, and it has a heat pad..so i'm not worried. i try not to lift up the hide and then pick up the snake though.. probably doesn't matter overall..i just like to let it think it has a safe retreat where nothing will bother it.
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What cage set ups are most common for them? like 10 gal, 5gal?
I managed to get a 5 gal with screen top for free tonight
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depends on what spider you get. a 5 gallon would be fine unless you got a larger species. 10 gallon is plenty for larger spiders. did you have any particular one in mind? or know which ones are available to you there?
also, make sure to put some extra weight on that lid..an adult tarantula could push through if there is nothing holding it down.
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theres alot of spiders to choice from up here. I want one thats not too hard to keep (looked up one about 2 hours ago, rose something, ah i dunno) and can take cooler temps, like around 20c.
and wont bite the shit out of me hahah, i get too much of that from asshole hamsters at work hhehe.
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that's probably the "chilean rose hair" aka Grammostola rosea. the most common tarantula in the pet trade.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...x/IMG_4749s.jpg
they are great beginner spiders..GENERALLY docile..they're like any other animal or person though..some are docile, some are pissed off. more often than not, this species is very easy going. any spider can or will bite if provoked. just have to learn the spiders disposition. the male i used to have was awesome..i could literally scoop him up. only once did he seem to not want to go with it, so i left him alone that time.
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they don't really like it cooler than others..but they are a hearty species and can tolerate quite a bit number of conditions.
to be honest..they are a bit of a pet rock though..i had two females and one male. one female would always be in her cave i set up..so i'd rarely see her, the other would literally sit in one position for a hours and sometimes days hah. then again..a properly maintained spider, is one that is hiding or waiting for food to come by. if you have a female that is always roaming around..chances are she's trying to find a spot that is more to her liking. mature males are almost always on the go..trying to find some spider puntang.
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i might have found out why mine isnt eating...at the end of its body it seems clogged up, like it just ate, but it hasnt eaten for two and a half weeks. i think im taking it to the store for some examination today
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haha, I'm sure Steve's place is 70C with the heat blasting.
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I found this website where you can buy pets online from other people who are selling them around the world. They have a reptiles section and they have a bug variety; alligators, anacondas, etc. I was thinking about buying this American alligator they have on there for 75 bucks and it comes with everything you need.
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i'd say a gator is probably not the best way to go. the thing that happens a lot with them is that people get them when they are young and much more manageable. then the gators get bigger and bigger. eventually you'll need a very large aquarium for them..not to mention, it can be downright dangerous to work with them.
then people typically try to sell them, which isn't easy i'd imagine, give them away, or simply release them into the wild. just make sure you give it a lot of thought, especially about how it will be when that gator is 5-6 feet long. they can get much bigger than that too.
seems everyone selling them on that site either has babies, or juvis ranging from 2-3 feet long. maybe that 2-3 ft range is where people start thinking..shit, how much bigger is this thing gonna get?
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i'd say a gator is probably not the best way to go. the thing that happens a lot with them is that people get them when they are young and much more manageable. then the gators get bigger and bigger. eventually you'll need a very large aquarium for them..not to mention, it can be downright dangerous to work with them.
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Yeah, I'm going to think about it for a long time first, but I'm leaning towards getting one. There is a guy who owns a tattoo shop around here and he owns two baby gators and he's been a gator hobbyist for about 20 years. When they get too big to house, he turns them into jerky meat and makes a killing selling it.
So it sounds like a win win situation if you ask me.
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When they get too big to house, he turns them into jerky meat and makes a killing selling it.
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Jeez, I'd sure like to be that guys pet..
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hah yea, me too. i would say that's not the best solution to a problem you could've avoided in the first place. can't say i've never had gator meat..have tried it a couple times..just can't say i'd ever buy an animal as a pet with the intention of later killing and eating it.
i wonder if the people that sell him the gators know what he does with them ultimately? i wouldn't sell an animal into that fate.
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hah yea, me too. i would say that's not the best solution to a problem you could've avoided in the first place. can't say i've never had gator meat..have tried it a couple times..just can't say i'd ever buy an animal as a pet with the intention of later killing and eating it.
i wonder if the people that sell him the gators know what he does with them ultimately? i wouldn't sell an animal into that fate.
on the other hand..i don't want to keep cows, chickens, or pigs as pets..
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As long as those gators are captive bred (and NOT harvested from the wild in any way) and he's in compliance with his local laws, I don't really see a problem with it. It's not something I would do myself, but if he wants to eat them, fucking go for it. I buy animals every week with the intention of feeding them to my other animals. I kill mine humanely; hopefully he does, too.
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Yeah, I'm going to think about it for a long time first, but I'm leaning towards getting one. There is a guy who owns a tattoo shop around here and he owns two baby gators and he's been a gator hobbyist for about 20 years. When they get too big to house, he turns them into jerky meat and makes a killing selling it.
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that;s completely perverse.
raising something personally and killing until it's inconvenient
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that;s completely perverse.
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Agreed. He could easily sell them while they're still alive. "NO ONE TAKES CARE OF THESE GATORS BUT ME!!!" - tattoo guy
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It's not something I would do myself, I buy animals every week with the intention of feeding them to my other animals. I kill mine humanely; hopefully he does, too.
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why wouldn't you do it yourself? i'm guess the only reasons are not that you simply don't want one, or you don't like gator meat? i think you know what i'm getting at.
as to buying animals with the intention of feeding them..that's quite a different thing. do you ever buy a snake..raise it, then feed it to an adult kingsnake or other snake that eats them?
i agree it would be MUCH worse if they were getting them from the wild..but still i just couldn't raise something as a pet, then decide..well it's bigger than i can handle now..food time. i would say the responsible thing to do, is not get that pet. you want gator meat or jerky? go buy some.
how do you kill your prey items? i just buy them pre-killed as i would guess that would be more humane than whatever i am capable of, outside of going out of my way for a whole set up just for killing mice and rats. i just thaw them out and they're ready to go. |
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why wouldn't you do it yourself? i'm guess the only reasons are not that you simply don't want one, or you don't like gator meat? i think you know what i'm getting at.
as to buying animals with the intention of feeding them..that's quite a different thing. do you ever buy a snake..raise it, then feed it to an adult kingsnake or other snake that eats them?
i agree it would be MUCH worse if they were getting them from the wild..but still i just couldn't raise something as a pet, then decide..well it's bigger than i can handle now..food time. i would say the responsible thing to do, is not get that pet. you want gator meat or jerky? go buy some.
how do you kill your prey items? i just buy them pre-killed as i would guess that would be more humane than whatever i am capable of, outside of going out of my way for a whole set up just for killing mice and rats. i just thaw them out and they're ready to go. |
I've raised rodents from birth (I didn't breed them myself) for feeding purposes. My mother was terrified at the prospect of my breeding them; she was worried they would breed out of control and that if one escaped, it might be able to set up a colony in the house somewhere. We had a wild mouse infestation before I was keeping rodent eating snakes, so I can understand her fears. Since she paid the rent and let me live there free, I did her that favor.
As far as euthanasia of rodents goes, a lot of people employ a gas or oxygen deprivation method that doesn't seem especially humane to me. I simply grab them by the tail, snap my wrist, and knock them against my heavy oak door or wooden floor. I've also used cinderblocks.
It sounds incredibly brutal, and it is a tad gory. About 2/3 of rats bleed after the 2nd whack. They usually die after the first, but I give 3 ensure a quick death and minimize pain and terror. It's very quick; they never realize they're going to die, then they're dead.
I used to drop them in a pillowcase and whack the pillowcase against a door, but this method often leaves you less sensitive to the force necessary and you overdo it and open the bag to see rat guts everywhere. This won't bother the snake (many rodent feeding species don't seem to mind eviscerated food), but you get blood everywhere that you have to clean up. Annoying.
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when you use pre-killed (basing off frozen feeders)
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well, i never heard of anyone feeding a rabbit to a snake, rat's are more common, and when bought in a petshop, they're clean as hell
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take it from me, i work in a petstore, i am in charge of the live stock area, THEY ARE NEVER CLEAN. I myself and my co-workers spend hours cleaning, they look clean, cage is celan, well feed, and well looked after... but they are never clean.
myself, i have got a fungal infection on my face from some animal(s), took over 2 months to get rid of.
when they come into the store, they are in a dirty shape. in a box for transporting for hours, sometimes a whole day and then some. in a box with 6 other in their own shit, cut up potatoes, and a small gel pack thing for hydration.
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It's more satisfying to feed the snake live rodents.
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First, a snake that isn't hungry won't immediately go after the prey, and when you are dealing with snakes that feed on rodents, the prey items are very dangerous. Rodents have very large teeth, powerful jaws, speed, agility, and much flexibility. This allows them to mercilessly attack a snake and jump away before the snake can defend itself. Typically, the snake wouldn't bother to defend itself with strikes and simply try to 'cover up', leaving the spine wide open to severe rodent bites. Believe me when I tell you (and I have pictures to prove this) that rodents will always go after a snake's spine when it's head is protected.
A rat can easily kill a snake that isn't ready to eat it.
Secondly, killing the rodent before hand it much more humane. If you drop a rat in with a snake, he will smell the snake. He will know that he is trapped and that he is going to die. He will have to live with that terror until eventually, a giant head comes out of nowhere and lunges at him. He might jump to the other side of the cage and get out of the way, but ultimately, there is no escape. Eventually, this giant head will grab him, stabbing him mercilessly with dozens of razor sharp hooks, wrapping his powerful coils around his body, squeezing him with incomprehensible force until his heart stops. This is how snakes kill their prey in nature, yes. One factor people don't take into consideration is that in the wild, the most fit rodents have a chance of avoiding becoming prey to begin with. In captivity, there is no such chance.
As SteveFrost pointed out, many people use frozen-thawed rodents to avoid parasites. I have ultimate trust in my rodent suppliers, they haven't proven me wrong yet, and generally such people are reputable enough to provide healthy prey. I'd be more worried if I were dealing with a general pet store or, worse, a pet chain.
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he's just sick...i'll probally sound gay but, i cant stand killing animals like that, i dont mind if people do, but i just cant see that...dont know why...
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