Just turn all the knobs on your bass up then just mess with volume on your amp?I dont like EQs and presence controls.I like to hear my bass raw.My Peaveys are monsters!

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well, as much as I doubt that this would hurt the bass.
youre definitely robbing yourself of the best possible tone you could get out of a novice range peavey.

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Use your bass output controls and your amp controls man.... You'll get a really precise tone. That's really all I can say, it's up to you man.

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novice range? wtf are u talking about? Also geezer buler did exactly what i am talking about and listen to his fucking tone!

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Are you talking on just the bass, or the amp too? The only time I've done that is on a bass that has just volume and tone controls, because usually there isnt much flexibilty in the tone of something that simple anyway. Anything with any kind of advanced onboard EQ you like to take advantage of, and always use the controls of the amplifier no matter what kind of bass it is. Lots of times you are going to have to readjust for different places you go because different rooms have different acoustics. May sound great one place, and shit in another.

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Yeah man, keep that shit raw, uber punk

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No.

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Punk?!?!? wtf are you talking about man? This is a fucking metal forum, not a washed up punk forum. I don't know what your view is on metal...but in my opinion, us metalheads try to keep things technical and clean in alot of ways...the idea of punk is to sound bad on purpose. Metal takes pride in having something called talent.

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what! a metal forum!?

i was telling him, if he wants that sound, he should go for it.

fuck "talent" fucking technicality.

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"BRUTALITY OVER TECHNICALITY"??? They can go hand in hand man...Combine Brutality, Technicality and Talent...and you have one hell of a fucking band.

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It means focus on brutality instead of technicality. Duh.

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what I meant by that is, its a low price and quality range peavey...as far as peaveys go, and doing that is going to rob you out of any kind of decent tone you could have possibly managed to pull out of it.

you started off this thread by calling yourself a dumbass, dont turn around and get pissed at raw critisism.

edit:I hated geezers tone. no growl or grit at all. Go for that live cannibal corpse tone and you could make anything sound brutal.

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I still think it's a shitty idea...I wouldn't want a tone like Mark Hoppus

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mark hoppus has a great tone. punchy and bright.

OK well you do have a good point... I do like a nice bright sharp metallic tone, like Chris in Anti-Flag. But it just doesn't suit metal IMO.

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i think it would suit metal fine, but thats subjective, we can agree his tone is great though, especially for what he plays.

Yeah, for that style of music it is quite catchy...I like a bass tone that cuts through the mix, yet still shakes the floor, the perfect balance.

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sure lets put some dude wearing a cc shirt whos only been playing guitar for a month, who only knows brutal death metal songs and a 12 year old kid on drums who just blastbeats the whole time, lets see how many people dig that!

focus on the SONG, not whether or not its brutal or melodic, write the song how it needs to be written, if all you do is write brain numbing brutal riffs, then you will never develop a sense of melody and every riff you will ever write will sound the same, yes on one hand you will be unique, but on the other hand youll just be another one-dimensional guitarist who can only shred and write brutal as crap riffs.

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oh and about your tone, the main thing with bass is to achieve a balanced tone. One that blends yet at the same time sticks out. I would say turn your volume nob up, leave your treble fairly low, and turn your mids up about 1/3 to half of the way and no higher. Then you will have a good bass filled clean tone that anybody can appreciate.

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wow, not to be mean but when did this become a weak pop-punk forum? geesh!

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with the tripple post!
Jackass, pay attention he was describing hoppus' tone. You can have great tone and not be great, and are you going to get pissy whenever someone mentions wooten or jaco?

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well, imo hoppus' tone is miserable. I hate bright punchy tone, im more of a warm fretless kind of player myself, and i love jacos tone ( since when was jacos tone bright, he played a freaking fretless, thats the main thing i love about his tone is that it isnt that bright, its just right, a minor amount of bright tone balanced with punch and a large amount of warmth, lol that was confusing), wooten somewhat ( love his slap and tap, not so much his fingerstyle).

Oh, and by the way i am not a donkey or any related animal ( in response to yo u calling me a "Jackass")

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the point is, dont bash someone from their tone preference....jackass...

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im not bashing HIS preference im bashing hoppus' tone in itsself! der der der!!!!
and i already said i am not a donkey or any close relative to that animal.

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You know there was this band... I don't exactly know their name anymore (it wa s cliché), 12-year old kid trying to do vocals, 15 year old fat kid trying to do guitar, and had a demo with 5 tracks, each one with a length of 1 minute (oh curse you, Windows sound-recording utility with your 1-minute limit!)


They quit, unfortunately.

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my bad, you where bitching because he isnt metal.
well guess what. most great bassists hate metal. non metal things get discussed here all the time, thats why I brought up wooten and jaco 2 posts back...jackass.

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great metal bass players that are on the same level as jaco or vic-
roger patterson
tony choy
sean malone
cliff burton
doug keyser
lars from spiral architect
eric langlois
alex webster
john myung

and im a huge fan of unmetal bass players. I dont consider myself a straight up metal player, it was probably more my hate for pop punk and punk in general that made me say what i said rather than my disgust with the players themselves, ska is ok though imo. Some decent players in there.

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ok, even tough I wouldnt say burton was even fucking close, but ok...

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Shut up. Noone cares. Origin of this argument is that you don't like Mark Hoppus, and because I do, and I'm one person on this whole board, you use ultra-ultra hyperbole and call it some dumb shit like "weak pop punk tabs" or something else as unfunny as that. Noone cares what you think of Mark Hoppus. I don't care if you don't like pop punk. I don't want to read your opinion. Not many people do.

in case you didnt notice, This is an internet forum for providing advice and opinions. maybe i wanted his opinion, thats why WE were having the discussion.

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Lol you continue to be pathetic. Funny.

Jesus H. Christ

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Yes?

lol

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woops must have put that in there for admiration rather than skill. My bad.

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thats fine, your opinions are mostly idiotic to me, so it really doesn't matter.
By the way, this is the internet. I can say whatever I want about pop punk music and most metalheads would agree with me that 99% of bands in that genre suck!

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Are you serious about this list?

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Yeah, I never understood why langlois gets so much respect

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What?

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hes never really done anything mindblowing.
speed.... big fuckin deal

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other than burton or langlois, yes. They are all fantastic players.

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Good, yes..Up to Jaco and Vic? No..

This highly depends on what you consider as mind blowing?

No, he hasnt really done anything people would mention right away, but he is far more interesting than 90% of the bass players in death metal. Too bad you cant really hear him in Once Was Not, there were some cool tapping lines I saw live, which I couldnt hear in the album + he does alot of slapping in general

If speed isnt a big deal, then I'm not sure why is Webster so recognized?

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webster = technical mastermind, speed really isnt a big part of it.

not that I dont love langlois lines, but just because he slaps alot doesnt mean hes good at it, he uses that retarded korn bridge doubleslap technique. ive never really heard him do any slapping that couldnt be done by some kid sitting in guitar center hacking out "higher grounds"

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i am posititve myung, lars, malone and keyser are all equal with many virtuosos. They may not be as great on the solo bass but technically speaking those four are all on par with many bass legends imo.

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Myung..Maybe. The others..No way.

first of all you have probably never heard of watchtower so i will excuse you for not hearing keyser. His lines on their albums were crazy though and you have to be a master bass player to keep up with ron jarzombek

malone has an album called corlandt. It is brilliant bass work and he also has a tune on gordian knot's album emergent called the brook, the ocean which is insane considering that he is playing along will bill brufford.

lars is impeccable. you have probably not heard much spiral architect as well and as i said before with keyser go check some of this underground stuff out. His lines are super fluid and rhythmically they are totally unique. It is a real pain when you can easily tab out the rest of the song except his parts.

As i have pointed out in this post. You probably don't know what you are talking about considering the fact that alot of the stuff i listen to alot of metalheads don't enjoy because it is a little too progressive for them. But if you have heard of these bands then shame on you bass noob because you totally don't know what you are talking about!

Look, i know jaco and vic are both legends, but there are many other fabulous players out there beyond the guys that everyone always brings up from the 70s and 80s fusion era and modern solo artists. Seriously look around, inspiration can be found in many other places besides forums and youtube.

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Bass noob? I've been playing for seven years, bud. I promise, I'm not a noob.

i just posted a multiple paragraph post and that is all you have to say, whatever. i have been playing near five years and trust me i know dudes who have been playing 10 years plus who arent that great. time has nothing to do with it. re read what i posted in the previous article and give an intelligent response or don't bother.

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That's pretty much what I do, but only because, to me, that is the best sound I get from my bass. I've messed around with the knobs to see which I liked best, and in the end, I had everything turned up. And then I messed with the knobs on my amp.

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I read it, I just don't care enough about your opinions to argue about it.

I never said the bass players you listed weren't good. I simply said that IMO, Jaco and Vic are better. I don't really want to to argue about it because, like I said, I really just don't care about your opinions.

you can learn alot from peoples opinions. especially about your instrument. Just because you are apathetic doesn't mean i care either but that is kind of the reason why you join a forum. You know to post your opinions and listen to what others have to say as well. I may not be the greatest bass player right now but im very dedicated and i really play alot. But besides that I know alot about music. I mean I spend more than half of my time either listening, composing, or playing music so the least you can do is listen to what i have to say about it. Just because you don't know what you are talking about doesn't mean that you should shove off things that are above your head. Trust me i learn that the hard way all the time.

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that entire paragraph is just an excuse to not post anything about the players.
meh, you have probably never heard of a good half of em anyway.

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Only two I haven't heard of are Keyser and Lars. I am very familiar with all the other ones. If you want, tomorrow when I get done training I will break down the list with my take on each player I've heard of.

i don't want you to get that obsessed, but come on technically most of the players are easily on par with jaco and some are on par with vic. Myung, keyser, malone, and lars are all crazy and those four at least are all worth putting at the same level as the jazz legends.

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