ok so what i want you all to do is listen to EVERY song entirely, dont turn the songs off after afew seconds, listen to the lyrics and absorb this uplifting experience.

this shit is like...........totally fucking serious. not one hint of sarcasm.

holy mother of shit.


chaotic good hardcore, smokey the bear and officer mcgruff dont have shit on these guys.

http://www.myspace.com/xhelpinghandx

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I can smell the humor flowing off of these guys. This shit sucks. The positivity thing is definatly a gimmick.

Positive hardcore? Youth Of Today. Discussion ended.

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It was alright. I didn't like the vocals. Sounded like a boy yelling.

Lyrics weren't too bad.

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i don't even need to click on it to know it is beyond gay.

NO,NO,NO

believe me, its serious.

no gimmicks.

thats why i posted it......

these kind of bands have been playing shows close to my area, there is a whole scene of this stuff.....these people arent even christian.

positive hardcore, the wave of the future

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Positive hardcore has been around for close to 20 years at least.

This is ANOTHER band trying to be cute for girls, just because their music sounds like standard hardcore punk doesn't excuse the fact that their vocalist should be in a poppunk band and the fact that they're trying to replicate the childish bullshit fake quirkiness of pretty much every "indie" rock band out today.

What the fuck does Christianity have to do with positive hardcore?

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YOT, you know what's up.

heh, rick ta life know's postive too but he's like a stuck tape deck these days.

not this positive.

christian hardcore, the stuff ive seen sounds very uplifting for the most part, kinda like coalese. a little more mellow than harsh. even the harsh stuff usually includes a optimistic message.

id like to draw the distinction between bands composed of christians from actual christian bands.

anyways, i think its funny because its genuine. the gorilla biscuts didnt intend something quiet like this, 7 seconds didnt intend something like this.

its the difference between actually addressing serious issues with a positive message and cold, impersonal, public service announcements with fortune cookie answers to lifes problems.

its an excellent concept for a parody band, but even more priceless when bands takes the idea seriously.

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Christian hardcore doesn't exist. Just thought I'd throw that out. Christian punk bands are usually neither.

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positive blows and the dude who quoted me that was my brother posting while i was taking a piss

aww cute how wrong you are

oh and by the way

corekt spilin nd gromor is theyre so ppl no wot your sayeng

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hey now, i want this thread to stay positive in solidarity with the music we happen to be speaking about.

the early positive bands didnt go out and make a point of being optimistic, they just generally were.

i feel that the positivity is forced, dogmatic and hinges far to much on the assumption that human beings are naturally good and will do the right thing or could even be convinced of the powers of virtue.

virtue is nothing more than a vulnerability, a weakness others can exploit to thier designs.

so it may be a touch naive<however the fuck you spell that word>to try to change ones attitude for good,lawful,self-actualization, appeal to thier better sense if you will, when the very instincts of man is to endlessly form seperate competing interests, a darwinistic food chain if you will, where by the regulation of our population numbers is maintained thru self-determination and survival.

one cannot escape this reality, a dark side to human evolution and the progress of civilization.

this is not to say virtue and the common good is not worth maintaining worth extenting towards others to serve as an example to all. but a person should be on thier guard against enemies and not give the benefit of the doubt when addressing just anybody. all good intentions would sell itself short in the face of an adversary, those who make mockery of your generousity and will use every tactical advantage to dispose of you.

we are but forced to choose our battles and fight for principle where we believe we can prevail, and if not, against impossible odds, serve as a conduit of the preservation of human dignity.

so i think the word "positive" is a misnomer

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So is that to say that the title of this thread is a misnomer?

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no. they made a point of being positive. "wake up and fucking live" is pretty much a conscious effort for positivity if i've ever heard one.

and yes, im ignoring the rest of the post.

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The "positive" scene in your area might be straightedge. Around here they tend to be stuff more like this:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cf...riendid=2954909

"Positive" message and whatnot. Scroll down and look at their hoodie, ive seen at least 2 people wearing this at my school. Sweet hoodie.

Shows for bands like these are actually really fun to go to, there is a ton of energy in the pit and you can just push around and have a good time. I saw that band up there and it was a ton of fun even if they are not my favorite. Their lyrics are strange, funny at times, especially the chants, but they did not give off a gimmicky feel. DM shows around here suck, I hear Necrophagist won't even come back around here (Orange County) because the crowd sucked so badly during the Cannibal Corpse tour. No energy. Not that it's the bands fault or anything. Just thought I would share my experience with these bands, they can get a small crowd moving.

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i like hardcore, old and new, positive or whatever, ill give it a try. those guys were decent, the singer had a good grunt going on, and his singing voice wasnt shit either. not bad

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you are confusing positive with being niave and trite.

its a misnomer because none of the songs actual address anything negative, or negative enough worth encouragement. its also a misnomer because you are being provided fortune cookie answers to vague problems such as "violence" without context.

telling someone to buy a bicycle is the same "feel good", empty reassurement. usually done in the context of "preaching to the chior", telling people who most likely ride anyway.

im not even kinocking this stuff, we are just examining exactly what it is. it is not so much the fact that it is positive and uplifting, its the fact that being positive itself is some sort of ethos, similiar to the left-wing political stuff where there has to be a confirmation/validation of ideals.....among folks who general believe in the same stuff anyway.

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yeah because "lets stop fighting/dont be violent/we're all pussies" is super positive and far less "fortune cookie" then the posicore of old.

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it is completely naive and i dont remember the older stuff being as trite. i could be wrong, i havent listened to 7 seconds and the gorilla biscuts in a long time

but im pretty sure they didnt tell me to buy a bicycle. or to go outside and enjoy the fresh air.

it wasnt even referred to as posi-core or whatever back then, it was just hardcore punk.

thats a point im trying to make, even the whole straight edge and the xxx shit came way later.

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Youth Of Today IS older stuff so Im not sure what you're talking about

Yeah because that isn't completely just bullshit and childish. There's a difference between being positive and thinking your lyrics are cute because they offer dumbass after-school special responses to problems. Kids being pressured to get a girl drunk and fuck her? Yeah, bikes will totally help. These lyrics do nothing to help keep someone positive. They're laughable in their attempts because they confuse "positive" with being a naive, lying little bitch with a smile on your face your whole life.

Regardless, it deserves to be mentioned as something seperate from what was going on at the time.

No...positive hardcore is pretty much directly linked to straight edge. Or was at least, and in my opinion should still be.

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I don't mind positive lyrics at all, I welcome them, I'm not a grim and tough wannabe bitter cunt. But I don't like the music itself that much.

I do rather like a lot of the pro-peace crust punk bands like Aus Rotten and Resistant Culture. Extreme Noise Terror, Napalm Death and Terrorizer are worth a mention too although they're really more grindcore(but both used to be/are linked to crustcore/hardcore bands). Awesome lyrics about rejecting materialism, ecology, criticism of social ills like sexism and xenophobia, etc. Progressive minded stuff.

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alot of the early grindcore as tho being political and left-wing, relies heavily on populism, a us against the government theme, the corporations, the sheep like masses.

the whole anarcho-homeless squater culture exudes idealism,enviromentalism,veganism but is really not the same thing as a simplification of message as just being positive.



im not familiar with this band, i have heard of them. the band i posted sounds like 7 seconds so thats why i bring that band up.

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I don't mean this as an insult at all or anything, but if crust bands are so against corporations and most likely don't have a steady job, where do they get their instruments?

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Like 7 seconds? NO! Bad low-tech!! Bad! Don't do that!!

This band sucks. They ARE being sarcastic or whatever you want to call it and if they aren't they stiill suck, may be the worst lyricists ever, and I want to kill them a little more.

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well, you see, its not a uniform thing. alot of the anarchist crowd try the best they can.

and we know that......records are manufactured by companies, they need tour vans, need to hold jobs down and stuff to afford gear,transportation. so yeah, there is no way to be off the grid, so to speak, outside the system.

but that doesnt mean people cant believe in radical<politically radical stuff like anarchism,socialism,communism,libertarianism> stuff and make do the best they can.

this is a very simplified answer to a complex question.

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Hardcore is positively dumb. It isn't much different from rap.

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Funny...cause (some) hardcore and (some) rap have more to offer than (most) metal.

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you have a point. sort off...

This is possibly, the worst band I've ever heard.

I'm not exaggerating, one bit.

And you are negatively ignorant.


Blood Red Bass, there is a difference between being upset with the unjustices brought about by a capitalist environment(ie: big corporations buying out land, leaving indigenous people homeless, or destroying any possibility for smaller merchants to do well in business, or privatizing institutional functions that should be free like medical insurance) and outright rejecting all ties to the consumist society we are born into. And... many bands do actually hold jobs, or they just starve to death, because noone is going to pay them anything worthwhile for playing/recording their music.

Anarcho punkers are pretty much bums though, and do basically just wander around living in vans or in abandoned buildings.

Crust punk is kind of a different story, they're not as extremely anti-social and unreasonably anti-conventional as anarchos are(ie: some actually live in their own houses!).

I would not say grindcore is left-wing by any means. Definately it's liberal minded, but you won't see any Che Guevara/Trotsky/Castro-worshipping dumb shit. Progressivism is the appropriate term.

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There is a huge difference, rap is better.

I say "That doesn't work..."

And you reply with the always hilarious and never stale "I was drunk " excuse

Glad we skipped all that.

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word up homeboy, fo 'sho, fo 'sho!!!

HAHA

I'm serious, well when you think about, Easy E, is hip hop.

grindcore also has the shock, anti-pc element.

there is no difference between anarcho punk and crust, crust is just slang for really a filthy motherfucker hence "crusty". when filthy motherfuckers form a filthy band.....thats somewhere most likely between punk and thrash.....its usually called crust., its not like, a scientific classification or anything.

the anarcho-punk thing is just the leftwing politics associated with some elements of dirty motherfuckers.

the whole trainhopping/squatter thing is moreso a subset of homeless culture rather than "punk" in america at least where these kind of things are highly criminalized. most of these type of people arent really idealists about what they do<moreso hobos than costiumed punk subculture>, they arent the same thing as the ultra-pc vegan, anarchist politicos, communists and socialists<usually the college crowd>.

in europe i know its different<much more of a political/anarchist scene over there> since there are actual legal ways to occupy abandoned/condemned buildings. far left wing politics isnt so under the radar from the law, the government and basically hated and mocked by most of society.

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hardcore leads to hardcore dancing leads to me destroying hardcore dancers leads to happy dylan.

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the only people who complain about hardcore dancing are the ones who got their asses kicked once..

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well it seems like a gimmick to me

or there just fucking arund...

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Ohhh a swing and a miss. Sorry mate, never been touched by a some little fucker doin his fairy dance and I still think its the dumbest thing in the solar system.

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Hahah fairy dance yeah....they'd knock your pussy ass out.

PS: If West Coast refers to the West Coast of America...you aren't allowed saying mate. It doesn't make you seem more intelligent...it makes you sound like a fag. Which you are. Faggot.

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Correct, in Spain there are a ton of what people call "okupas"(basically means "occupiers", people who live in abandoned buildings/trains or even friggin caves.

What bands are you referring to by the "schock, anti-pc element"? Do you mean goregrind bands? Or airheaded stuff like Anal Cunt? If so those don't really constitute as grind IMO, what bands are you referring to?

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even without taking into consideration the grindgore metal stuff there still bands that rag on stupid shit, specific people they know and generally are offensive enough.....sorta like anal cunt.

i didnt realize you were from spain....which is a stronghold for anarchist groups and stuff....or thats the impression i got from people who went to europe.


there is a whole subculture of homeless trainhopper/squatter types here that<the lifestyle> goes back to the civil war. alot of famous blues and jazz musicians travelled the country this way, generation after generation of homeless/transient people, alot of history that only till recently elements<last 25 years or so> of the punk scene<alot of metalheads in there too> became associated with........its really something alot of average folks arent even aware of here. but its primarily about survival, self-destination than anarchist politics......from my experience from people i know who chose to live like this.

everyone speaks well of the europe tho, the squats there, the people, the music and political scenes in germany,spain,italy and parts of eastern europe.

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You guys are arguing over the definitions of certain punk when we all know punk is too punk to have a definition instead it is a chaotic entity in which one can reside which creates total nihilistic value and so forth punk should be defined as such...

/sarcasm

In closing punk = hypocrisy, you can't escape it, so let's just enjoy the positice vibes okeh mahn?

Que teh fuck are you talking about?




Most punks (I know) get their instruments used or trade things for them.

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Or robbing stores too.

The whole anarchist/okupa thing has really been fading away over the years over here, it was big throughout the 80's and early 90's, but the ones that are left now are mostly just old homeless junkies(strange since many punk subcultures reject drug use).

Now all that's left is a bit of that Oi subculture, as well as some small groups of pre-teen fathead NS punks.

I would not say punk in general is a hypocritical attitude. At least they actually stand by their beliefs and not cower out when asked about them, meanwhile who the hell is going to take a black metal kid seriously about anything?

Now I'm not saying everyone should be homeless to be "true" punk, but as far as everyday life goes, there are a myriad of genuine punkers out there that still hold jobs and live normal lives outside of their music without betraying the rather progressive-minded ideals that some subcultures of punk have. Just look at the guys from the crust band Aus-Rotten.

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Punk = non conformity, anti establishment, which makes existence hypocrital.

Then there's the other interpretation, that being punk is doing what you want when you want. That's not so hypocritical.

How does that make existence hypocritical?

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Stating an opinion about something as trivial as a music style is hardly ignorant. No matter how "enlightened" I or anyone else ever becomes will never change this.
Same goes for enjoying hardcore. It might be a lot like a cat who becomes enthralled every time a new milk ring gets tossed to the floor, but that doesn't make the person wrong.

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That wasn't really much of an opinion, rather a swift attempt to bash the music you don't like rather than actually discuss it which is why this thread was made, which can say a lot about your personality. No offense though.

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My opinion is that hardcore is simplistic crud, which is an insignificant opinion and nothing more, which tells absolutely nothing about my personality other than that I dislike hardcore. But I get what you're saying, really. I'm not discussing the topic at hand and I'd be annoyed if someone was on the subject of say, tech-death, bashing it for no apparent reason.

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Punk in general is simplistic and minimalistic just like black metal. If you compare the actual riffs in a lot of crust punk/oldschool heavy hardcore bands and grim uberkult tapetrading black metal bands you won't hear much of a difference, it's an attempt to take a basic riff, throw an assload of distortion in, bust out some fast drumming and grind out some lyrics and make a song out of it, no fancy bullshit or guitar solos. A great deal of hardcore bands have a far more interesting lyrical approach than the cliched black metal stuff though.

I don't like either myself, but tend to lean more towards some hardcore spinoff bands/genres(grind, crustcore, "power violence" etc.) because of the deeper lyrics about social issues and overall groove to the music.

I think you're not too clear on the definition of hardcore. It's not the Death by Stereo, As I Lay Dying, Hatebreed, Atreyu and Killswitch Engage crap you see on MTV, good lord no, that's metalcore/wangcore. Real hardcore = Agnostic Front, S.O.D., Discharge, D.R.I., Minor Threat, Dead Kennedys, and so on.

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i finally gave into curiousity, and heard this band. im thinking that the fact that i have heard very few bands that *shutters*... sing... like this, may have something to do with me thinking that this is absolutely the most insanely terrible thing ive heard in a very, very long time. the Noise thread lead me to some... "band?" with nothing but static, or something. honestly, at first, i thought that was going to be the worst thing id hear for a while, then i visited this thread. but, in all fairness, i must thank you for the extreme bursts of laughter that will come, in the near future, when i show this mess to my friends!! i really do look forward to it.

Yeah, I know. I just never got into that shit too much other than SOD, MOD, and DRI (what's with that huh?). And they had as much to do with thrash as anything.

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