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i never admitted to being human, thats all i have to say of the matter.

we are still talking about about people with predispositions to mental illness, a group i never advocated the use of weed in a recreational way for.

many forms of mental illness is latent.......has more to do with the illness than the weed.

so this is me saying i disagree, NOT an accusation that you dont know what you are talking about.



the main argument ive seen used for a pro-choice stance is not "i am the boss of me, you cant tell me what to do" but "abortion is a a fact of life" meaning that regardless of the moralizing of the pro-life movement,many women will seek abortions no matter what, because they already have for decades at thier peril. the difference between legalized abortion and illegalization is that the government provides a safe,clean enviroment where one can be reliable done........the other option is women dealing with whomever will provide that service in private.......which can be life threatening and the standard of the performance of individuals doing these operations is not really known.

its that simple.

as far as regulating human behaviour vs personal choice, the FDA already approves far worst......aspirin is far worst for your body,painkillers can kill you,caffiene is addicting and has side effects.

the government should only intervine when its practical to do so, the sale of cocaine should be illegal, the sale of products that contain hazzardous substances like mercury or a food coloring that can cause fatal allergic reactions should be banned by the FDA, i have no problem with this. THC isnt nearly as dangerous as its made out to be.

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That wasn't my point. My point was that those (women) who know nothing at all about the argument or any of the points are generally swayed towards pro-abortion BECAUSE they think and are TOLD to believe that the arguement is about use of their body. Kind of what i said before about sensationalism and overblowing and twisting facts to get others to believe as they do. Its one of those gut and intuition appeals to women. Its obvious to think that if you tell a woman whos pregnant, worried, and thinking about abortion that she isn't allowed to do what she wishes with her body because some "male" (i've heard this again and again) legislator says they can't they won't approve. Hell they dont' even have to be pregnant.

I'm saying this isn't even the argument and this is what i would imagine your typical girl (who's pro abortion) will give as a reason for their decision. I've heard this so many times it makes me sick. My sister says it all the time and i want to slap her because its just stupid.

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It has everything to do with weed, if the weed generates a trigger for this illness that perhaps otherwise would not have surfaced.
The thing is any one of us has the potential to become ill in such a way (it's not just a select few), a knock on the head, stress at work, a traumatic experience, substance misuse etc None of us know for sure if we are predisposed and we can never gauge the outcome of our actions because none of us have crystal balls.

Anyhow, my initial post was to point out to pr0az that smoking pot isn't as harmless as he erroneously believed.


Damn you stoners are making me wanna smoke some gear

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i dont agree.

and ill be a minority in disagreement with general psychology and drug treatment facilities, granted that what you say is accurate to what those institutions believe, if thats the case.

i will say that people who have mental illness are only gonna make themselves worse with smoking weed. i do not believe THC is strong enough a drug to trigger severe mental illness, under any circumstances.

unless they lowered the bar so far down that anyone can be diagnosed with anything at the slightest sign, which conveniently suits the pharmacutical companies profits.

i cant help but think of those drug commercials on tv.

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I still say its harmless. I've smoked and well I havent developed a psychological problem. I've seen lots of people who smoke and they havent developed a psychological problem.. I mean as i said earlier scientist can't make up their mind on shit. Just like the egg debate. So if i smoke again and i become crazy or develop cancer from it i'll be sure to post about it. But i doubt that will happen because i retired from smoking many years ago .

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Smoking cigarettes aren't harmful either right?

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No man cigs kill. I smoke cigs but i've decided to try to quit this year. I havent smoked a cig all day. In between the tar and other chemicals in cigarettes man, you can feel the effects of it within a year of two of smoking. Coughing up brown stuff, blood, and other nasty stuff. Ive actually just decided to stop and so far so good, just had to get an ass of candy to help me through this time of tribulation. I've been kind of high stung today too. Like the slightest words can piss me off.


If i can only survive the next 72 hours all the nicotine will be out my body.

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My entire point of asking that was to basically make you think of the longevity that it takes for cigarettes to do NOTICEABLE harm. In other words it takes a long ass time. So you're trying to say that smoking marijuana over a long period of time yields NO effects on your body? Thinking in inhaling anything other than oxygen and other atmospheric gases into your lungs would SEEM unhealthy. Period. Especially burning paper and fumes.

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Done. I've seen a smoker's lung disected. The top parts of both lungs were black as fuck. He smoked pretty much his whole life.

Cigarettes or weed?

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Congrats!

I don't smoke pot and I honestly don't give a shit if someone else smokes pot. I'm living my life not theirs.

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Damn. I didn't even bother reading this shit (and I usually read everything in this forum). I took away your pot smoking thread and so we get this here, eh?

As has been mentioned, pot is one of the many, many, many, many, many things in this world that are neither wholly positive nor negative. It does have harmful side effects, though fortunately most are short-term, and it does tend to make the people using it lazy, single-minded and uninteresting. As has been mentioned, just because it isn't the only thing about which that could be said doesn't make it good. It won't damage your brain like alcohol and won't make you as much of a monomaniac as cocaine; doesn't mean it makes the sun shine out of your asshole. This isn't an either/or world we live in, and the fact that most potheads like to pretend that it is does demonstrate a certain amount of denial and irresponsibility. This mentality is obviously at least partially a reaction to the world that insists that pot is dangerous on a level it rarely if ever reaches, and I expect it will change somewhat as the anti-pot propaganda has shifted from claiming that smoking pot is funding terrorism and makes you shoot your friend in the face to claiming that it will make you become a shiftless, boring person who lives and unsatisfying life and hides that fact from himself with the very substance that has made him so hollow, but it's still a problem. And since I do know people who get violent and, much more commonly, stupidly reckless on pot, and whose health was seriously threatened by a pot smoking habit (and yes, I am serious), the self-enforced naivete that comes with the culture can be, even if only in rare circumstances, very damaging.

All that said, were pot to be legalized and discussed in an open way a lot of these problems would disappear. It should at the very least be decriminalized and probably should be legalized. But that doesn't excuse anybody from choosing to choke on propaganda. It also doesn't excuse anybody from having talked for so long about this.