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Are these amps good for Death Metal?
Hey I am looking at these 3 amps and was wondering if they would give me a good Death Metal sound. Like the dirty feel of Autopsy, Repulsion, ect ect.
Marshall 1959SLP
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The Jcm800 has pretty good tone, but you should use it with some gain boost if you want it to be br00tal.
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Framus cobra is a lot more expensive than both of those. It's a relatively loose fizzy sound, ask dislexic he owned one, and ihave27frets still has one I think.
No idea what the 59' is like, but judging by the year of its introduction, it's probably not gonna give you br00t3l sounds. 
If I had to pick amongst the 3, I'd say a JCM800 GC rerelease cause they have FX loops unlike the old JCM800's. But I'd go with a 900, it was much more commonly used among death metal bands like the ones you've mentioned back then, they punch out more grind.
Edit: Damnit it's you again Casketcrusher? Just buy the damn 900. 
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Framus cobra is a lot more expensive than both of those. It's a relatively loose fizzy sound, ask dislexic he owned one, and ihave27frets still has one I think.
No idea what the 59' is like, but judging by the year of its introduction, it's probably not gonna give you br00t3l sounds.
If I had to pick amongst the 3, I'd say a JCM800 GC rerelease cause they have FX loops unlike the old JCM800's. But I'd go with a 900, it was much more commonly used among death metal bands like the ones you've mentioned back then, they punch out more grind.
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I KNOW I KNOW!!! I just promised myself I'd try and get the best amp for what I want. It's so hard to decide. Like I am looking for this specific sound and I am just trying to find this amp that would duplicate that sound or sound somewhere along those lines.
Here listen to these guys (Mostly the songs Death Breath and Coffins Of The Unembalmed Dead). One of my favourite bands. I am trying to get this type of guitar sound. I think they used the 59', not sure.
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I listen to Repulsion, Autopsy, etc. so I know exactly what you're talking about man. JCM900 = THE oldschool death metal amp, it was far more commonly used by better known DM bands than the BV.
JCM900 all the way, it's what I would get + perhaps an boost like a Maxon OD. It'll simply scream and grind like a motherfucker. It's that grit and grind made bands like Terrorizer sound so fuckin awesome.
If you want a fatter more colorful sound then use a ProCo Rat with it instead(classic metal setup), which is what Morbid Angel have used for ages as well as many other DM(and non DM) bands.
The JCM900 was what I was considering for my first tube amp, but I decided not to as I couldn't find one used reasonably priced, and the Fireball costs the same here and I didn't need 100W so I went with that, but the 900 is one awesome choice.
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I listen to Repulsion, Autopsy, etc. so I know exactly what you're talking about man. JCM900 = THE oldschool death metal amp, it was far more commonly used by better known DM bands than the BV.
JCM900 all the way, it's what I would get + perhaps an boost like a Maxon OD. It'll simply scream and grind like a motherfucker. It's that grit and grind made bands like Terrorizer sound so fuckin awesome.
If you want a fatter more colorful sound then use a ProCo Rat with it instead(classic metal setup), which is what Morbid Angel have used for ages as well as many other DM(and non DM) bands.
The JCM900 was what I was considering for my first tube amp, but I decided not to as I couldn't find one used reasonably priced, and the Fireball costs the same here and I didn't need 100W so I went with that, but the 900 is one awesome choice. |
Is the JCM900 still in make anymore?
Shoot I also forgot about the Orange Thunderverb. Supposidly they give a really good old school rock feel but are built to widstand Death Metal. 200 watts.
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BTW Price is not a big deal. I have enough money for a Messa Boogie Triple Rec Stack but It' a certain sound I am looking for. I know you keep suggesting the JCM900 and thanks for the suggestion. I am keeping it in mind. The other choice is the Thunderverb. Has anyone else on here tried one?
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Yes the thunderverb is amazing, but 200W of ALL TUBE power is just ridiculous! You'll never even use half of it's power. They can certainly do brutal shit, they have an immense frequencey response(hence they can be used with bass cabs as a bass amp too) so they can hit 30Hz frecuencies, which equates to SUPER brutal bowel-moving palm mutes. They're can do anything, but if you plan on getting this I REALLY suggest buying some expensive very high wattage cab as pushing out excessively low frequencies at the volumes the thing is capable of could damage the cab.
A JCM900 should be fairly easy to find in a store man, go try one out and also try a few grind pedals in front of it like a TS9, Maxon OD, MXR Microamp, or Rat. I think you couldn't possibly find a more authentic tone than that for oldschool death metal.
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i dont think anybody has tried a thunderverb... but orange makes amps with SICK tone. With boosts and pedals, you can very likely get anything out of it. The special thing about it is it has different outputs, both 100 watt and 200 watt outputs depending on how much volume you want, and ontop of that, it has a 100watt attenuator to further quiet the sound, so you can pretty much use the 100 watt output, and turn it bedroom volume with the attenuator, with SICK FUCKING GAIN. Orange's can be used to get reminiscent marshall/old laney tones, but with way more low end. Test one out...
Oh ps, on that myspace page, i saw what i think was a DSL 100, but no 1959 slp. It soudns to me like theyre using an old boss HM-2 as a boost for some of their songs... reminds me alot of old Bloodbath and some of Iniquity's stuff... check up on them. Plus, if you email Anders from bloodbath, he'll tell you exactly how he got his tone on Resurrection Through Carnage. I'd say, try to find an HM-2 off of ebay (i got mine for 12$  ) and see if you can take it in to test out on a jcm 800...
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Yes the thunderverb is amazing, but 200W of ALL TUBE power is just ridiculous! You'll never even use half of it's power. They can certainly do brutal shit, they have an immense frequencey response(hence they can be used with bass cabs as a bass amp too) so they can hit 30Hz frecuencies, which equates to SUPER brutal bowel-moving palm mutes. They're can do anything, but if you plan on getting this I REALLY suggest buying some expensive very high wattage cab as pushing out excessively low frequencies at the volumes the thing is capable of could damage the cab.
A JCM900 should be fairly easy to find in a store man, go try one out and also try a few grind pedals in front of it like a TS9, Maxon OD, MXR Microamp, or Rat. I think you couldn't possibly find a more authentic tone than that for oldschool death metal. |
Yeah the Thunderverb might be good to check out. I realize it's extreemly powerful. But it has a switch that lowers the wattage so it can also be used for practice rooms. So that's good. I'll have to look into it. I have no clue what cab to use. I was thinking a Marshall but I don't know if it can handle it. Perhaps a Vader cab.
I'll deffinatly check out the JCM900. I think i'll use a RAT or the Boss pedal The Bleeding was talking about.
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Go for the jcm900 with a proco rat boosting it you will have an awesome sound
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Yeah the Thunderverb might be good to check out. I realize it's extreemly powerful. But it has a switch that lowers the wattage so it can also be used for practice rooms. So that's good. I'll have to look into it. I have no clue what cab to use. I was thinking a Marshall but I don't know if it can handle it. Perhaps a Vader cab.
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If I were in your situation and I could not try them out, I'd get the 900 + Proco because you just know you're gonna be safe with that one for those sort of tones your after(and many others, it's a very versatile amp).
Even if you use that attenuation switch on the Orange it'll still be retartedly loud. Again I suggest the 900 + any decent v30 cabinet + proco rat(preferably deuce tone) and you'll probably have enough cash left over to get something like a powersoak/hotplate to get nicer sounds at low volumes.
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Well I know a lot of people said go for the JCM900 but I decided to go with the Orange Thunderverb. It has a really good raw sound. I was almost going to get a Laney but I found it was too clean for what I wanted (Even tho Impetigo used them...Go figure). The JCM900 is good. But I'd rather go with an amp that doesn't need boosting. And that would be a 200 watt Orange. LOL
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good choice on the orange. i was going to suggest the 800 with a boost. and anther thing, i dont think a jcm 900 needs any boosting. i've played them many times and they have plenty of gain, i have to turn it down even. any by that bands sound there is relatively little gain. it is by no means buzzsaw or high gain. sounds like a 900 with gain at 1:00 and volume cranked to me.
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+1 The JCM900 doesn't need any boosting, I just suggested the ProCo rat because you want EVEN MORE grit and dirt in your sound, which is essential for shit like Repulsion and such. The Rat is going to give you a slight fuzz and color in your tone. Proof that the JCM900 doesn't need boosting: Decapitated's "Winds of Creation", old Vader records, earlier Napalm Death records(might be boosted on this one).
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So would you guys say I should boost the Orange Thunderverb with a Rat? I mean it's 200 watts of power. Do you really think it's going to help?
Also what cabinet do you think would go best with the Thunderverb. It needs to be powerful. I was thinking Marshall.
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From what I gather, most Marshall cabinets arent desgined to go as low as a Thunderverb will go, although im not sure what is.
You probably cant go wrong with a matching Orange cab.
And about boosting, it would probably be like adding NOS to a top fuel dragster, probably unnecessary and you might blow something up.
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high wattage = lots of headroom = hard to break up = poweramp distoriton requires high volume. Booster reccommended.
And orange makes a special cabinet specifically for the thunderverb... but if i were you, i'd get that, PLUS some kind of cab that has a 15" speaker (like a randall!), or a subwoofer... that way you can hear the crazy deepness.
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OK so the booster might be a good idea. I think i'll go with the Rat. Nice and old school.
Hmm maybe the Thunderverb cab might be a good idea. Or maybe a Randal or Peavey.
Do you guys think I made a good choice? Like for what I want?
I was also planning on using a BBE Sonic Maximizer to clear up the sound a bit. Good idea or bad?
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Ehh, i'd lose the Sonic Maximizer, unless you hook it up and absolutely cant live without it. BBE puts a lot of hype behind it but really its a super specific EQ. Just let the Thunderverb do the talking, or in this case, the destroying. 
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And orange makes a special cabinet specifically for the thunderverb... but if i were you, i'd get that, PLUS some kind of cab that has a 15" speaker (like a randall!), or a subwoofer... that way you can hear the crazy deepness.
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you dont boost the poweramps. the only thing a boost will do is boost the front end (preamp tubes) a little harder.
and dude just run that amp clean. you spent the all that money to hear an amp you like, dont go and change it.
maybe a boost for just solos or maybe just a different sound at one point. OR you coult use that attenuator to get a little extra grit.
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Yeah. BTW I know this is a  on my part. But I didn't read any reviews on this amp yet. What have you guys heard about it?
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you dont boost the poweramps. the only thing a boost will do is boost the front end (preamp tubes) a little harder.
and dude just run that amp clean. you spent the all that money to hear an amp you like, dont go and change it.
maybe a boost for just solos or maybe just a different sound at one point. OR you coult use that attenuator to get a little extra grit.
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And Arvina has a point, you ARE paying a whole FUCKLOAD of money for a super fuckin sweet amp. See what you can make of it without boosters and what not.
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Yeah I mean I just hope it gives me the sound. I am looking for. I whish there was some fucking sound samples I could hear.
OH BTW I found out what Death Breath used to record that album
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Odd combination if I do say so myself. They used an Orange bass amp for the bass.
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Yeah I mean I just hope it gives me the sound. I am looking for. I whish there was some fucking sound samples I could hear.
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orange bass amps are clean and warm, very veyr nice. Do you think anybody in T.O. carries a thunderverb though? I'm sure if you called steves they could order one for you and slice off a chunk of the price...
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Well the only retailer in Canada is some store in Montreal. I'll talk to Steve's after x-mas. If they can't really order it or if it's going to be a lot more expensive then fuck that. I'll get a Marshall or Peavey. I know I said I settled on this amp. But if it's going to be a hassle just to get it than forget it. Plus until I hear some samples of this thing I am still a bit reluctant.
Hey anyone ever hear of JJLabs amps. They are supposidly meant for Death Metal. They were made specifically for Dismember.
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