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2006-12-05, 01:50
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Help with my tone!
Hello this is my first post on this forum.
My gear goes as follows.
Fender Mim Strat with hotrails in the bridge
Peavey 5150
BBe Sonic stomp pedal
i play children of bodom, blind guardian, in flames, lamb of god, slayer, kalmah, wintersun, megadeth and opeth.(and many more  )
I just cant get a good sound out of the amp. my settings are
Pre lead 7
Highs 7
Meds 5
bass 3(seems low but keep reading)
Sonic stomp settings
Lo contour 7(adds tons of CHUNK)
Presence 8
my sound is kind of mushy. it cant really "cut through". the sonic stomp helped ALOT but i think i need new tubes.
My amp's preamp tubes have become microphonic and i need to replace them. they havent been replaced from '90(thats what the seller said)
i amp about to order tubes. are jj's good?
and can i have some suggestions with eq?
sorry for wall of text
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2006-12-05, 03:18
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remove the god damn pedal...you shouldn't need one with a 5150...
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2006-12-05, 17:57
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first things first, replace the damn tubes. if it's been since the 90's, you're gonna want to replace the power tubes AND preamp tubes. that will more than likely fix your problem. power tubes should be replaced about every 6 months to a year if the amp sees a good amount of use. preamp tubes usually last a couple years.
other than that, i would also suspect the strat... if it doesnt have humbuckers. a humbucker in the bridge is a bit of a must for metal.
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2006-12-05, 21:28
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The pedal is just a parametric EQ, with less features.
JJ's are a favorite among 5150 owners, so grab those and see if you like em.
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2006-12-05, 23:08
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I would also recommend JJ tubes, they are great. I would also imagine a lot of the mush comes from the fact that you are boosting the bass so much BEFORE the amp. That will create mush in a big hurry. If you are going to use the BBE, try putting it in the FX loop.
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2006-12-06, 03:14
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you may think it adds bass but it makes it MUCH more clear. its like playing clean with massive distortion.. its really hard to explain if possible i will record something.
have you guys used marshall mg series amps? there is a button called FDD which brings the amp alive. its like taking a blanket off your amp the maximizer is like a tweak able fdd. from my sound you can HEAR its a strat its twangy but METAL
i just ordered these
jj 12ax7 x4
jj 12ax7 x1 for phase inverter
2x matched jj 6l6gc
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2006-12-06, 04:52
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isnt a hotrails humbucking? or is that only the cool rails... or am i straight up insane
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2006-12-06, 11:12
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Haha 6l6GC JJ's are the same ones I have laying around.
Duncan Hotrails? Yeah they're 2 coils in a singlecoil format, so they shouldn't hum. Dodgy wiring and pots and input jack(on guitar and amp, but it's probably not the amp) could also be the source of noise, but just do the tube swap and run it without the pedal first for singling out the possible problems. Also have a 2nd guitar(preferably high end with humbuckers) handy to make sure it's not your axe's wiring too.
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2006-12-06, 11:49
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If it's even possible, I would take the BBE pedal and try to put it in the signal chain between the head output and the cab input.
guitar - 5150 head - BBE stomp - Cab
Then it's just set and forget, and you're maximizing more of the sound without messing with it when it goes from your axe into the amp.
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2006-12-06, 12:51
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Yeah I'm surprised the amp even turns on without blowing a fuse.
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2006-12-06, 15:07
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I don't understand why people buy amps looking for killer tone, asking all these questions about what a great amp is and then go and put a pedal out in front of it.
Not saying this guy is but,you know.
Are you putting the pedal on through the clean channel or through the effects send? Does it have one?
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2006-12-06, 15:38
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The BBE Sonic pedal is the same as the Maximizer parametric EQ, it's not a distortion pedal! It can be useful in the FX loop for further tone shaping much like an EQ pedal, but personally I'd go with just a basic EQ pedal myself.
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(Did you know In Flames had a 2005 album called "Come Clarity"? How prophetic. I think they're trying to tell us all their sperm are dead.)
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2006-12-06, 19:15
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If it's even possible, I would take the BBE pedal and try to put it in the signal chain between the head output and the cab input.
guitar - 5150 head - BBE stomp - Cab
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NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!
you can't plug a head into a pedal and into a cab. only if you're looking to damage something. the only thing that should be after the head is some speakers, or an attenuator.
a better suggestion would be to try the bbe in the fx loop so it's between the preamp and poweramp of the head. as apposed to being before the preamp.
i used to use a sonic maximizer here and there in my rack days... i liked it sometimes, hated it other times... ended up deciding not to use it. my amps have to get the sound and clarity i want naked or i just sell them and buy new ones.
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2006-12-06, 20:06
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a better suggestion would be to try the bbe in the fx loop so it's between the preamp and poweramp of the head. as apposed to being before the preamp.
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You are correct. What exactly made me think that plugging an amp's speaker out into a pedal was ok, I have no idea. |
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2006-12-06, 22:45
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Actually I understood it to be the FX loop. I thought it was obvious that you didn't mean hooking up the pedal to the speaker out.  I'm also assuming he has the combo 5150.
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2006-12-08, 01:58
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Originally Posted by Sycophant
You are correct. What exactly made me think that plugging an amp's speaker out into a pedal was ok, I have no idea.
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Hahahah, the guitarist in my old band did this once, with an MT-2. It was a fate that the metalzone deserved.
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