want to buy first guitar.can anyone tell me about this axe?
limited edition deluxe (set neck) bc rich warlock

specs: nato body
nato neck
diamond shape inlays
2 B.C. rich BSDM humbucker
2 volume & 1 tone control
1 toggle switch

Thatsall the info i got from the post.

my suggestion is hat you don't buy a BC rich. If you're buying it for looks, take a look at every metal band. None of them have any eccentric shapes, they just go with classics, and worry about the neck and the electrics. Ibanez's are always great, and Jacksons, and kramers (apparently).

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It's not the fact that B.C. Rich's are bad. Just the lower case models are shit. So I wouldn't recomend it as your first guitar. Try Ibanez or Jacksons.

Oh BTW JOAMdude I found it quite comical that you said non of these metal bands have eccentric shapes yet you have a Death avatar. HMMM

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BCrich Zombie is a peice of fucking shit.

This isn't a new NJ is it? I'm not sure what model that is, and can't say for it's quality. The new NT series are supposed to be extremely good, but they are in the 600$ range and probably aren't what you want as a 1st guitar(floating bridge for newbies = pain in the ass).

As your first guitar I think you should buy something inexpensive but that isn't shite. You most certainly will want something with a fixed bridge to make it easier for you to tune it up correctly.

If you simply must have a radical shaped guitar take a look at some of the Kramer designer series at www.musicyo.com , inexpensive guitars with superb build quality and playability for the price(150-220$). I guess maybe picking up a used Dean X-series(ML, V or Z)(200$ or less) wouldn't be a bad idea either, lightweight and nice playing affordable axes.

Stay away from most of the entry level Jackson, BC Rich, Ibanez and ESP guitars. You may find some decent entry models from said brands but generally for a first guitar it's better to go with something safer and more affordable like the ones I've suggested(because I own/have played them).

new BC Rich guitars tend to be a dissapointing buy, you'll like it at first, and then play somebody else's guitar, and be hit by a huge wave of depression "i spent alot of money on a shitty guitar", exact thing my buddy said when he put down his 1500$ warlock, and picked up my other friend's fender jagstang. I think thats all you need to hear on that subject. And i dont think you're guna want to buy an NJ model for a first guitar... which tends to hover around the 800$ mark... Don't get me wrong, some BCR are really nice... its just impossible to find them

for a first guitar, you can never go wrong with cheap ibanez... like rg370dx but be careful with whammy bars... theyre a bitch to restring... Or cheap schecters... i find that they resonate in your hands really well... they dont feel like toys or hunks of plywood like cheap jacksons and esp's.

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For a first guitar, look into a cheaper Ibanez RG model

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OK maybe tey used BCR's for Leprosy

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Actualty, yeah maby a Shecter would be better, you want to keep away from floyds and shit for awhile. Buy an Omen (299) and you can upgrade the pickups later on if you want, it is a nice guitar for the price and looks cool too.

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My first guitar had a floyd and look, I'm still alive and loving floyds.

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And every other Death album. LOL And Slayer, Napalm Death, Morbid Angel... ect ect. LOL B.C. Rich are good guitars but you have to pay more than $600 for one.

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The Chuckster always played an B.C. Rich Ironbird I thought

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Not really, especially not if used or NOS, I got my Ironbird with a case and EMG 81 85 pickups in immaculate condition for 300$. Many old mid-late 80's and early 90's models(cream of the crop) can be had for about that much too.

Chuck played a Stealth, not an Ironbird.

Like I said if you want a good investment for your first guitar STAY CLEAR of entry level guitars from most of the big guitar brands(Ibanez, Jackson, BCR, ESP, etc.). They all produce crappy quality guitars and then jack up the price just because of the name on the headstock to something unreasonable like 300$. The Ibanez RG321MH may play well but it's way too overpriced for such a simple cheaply built guitar.

Get a Kramer, Charvel(an old used Model 1 or 2 or 3), or Dean entry level guitar.

Also remember that you need an amplifier, so distributing the amount of cash you're spending on the guitar and amp is a very good idea.

Ie:
Kramer Striker or Vanguard (170-210$) + Tech 21 Trademark combo(210-270$) = Under 500$, and you've got one bitchin setup.

Close, it was a BCR Stealth. More rounded and wavy shaped.

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To casketcrusher:

Slayer: sux

Morbid Angel: trey uses explorer's doesn't he?

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Ive been to a Morbid Angel show and I say Trey use his res BC Rich Ironbird. I know he also uses the 7 string Ibanez Universe among others

YES. Actually Trey DID use 2 red Gibson Explorers from the 80's for recording the rythm guitars on Covenant. He also has a red Charvel explorer which he never has used live(I've seen it in pics of his "home studio")

But as far the ones he uses consistently live, he always busts out his red BCR International series Ironbird("Instagib"), a vintage blue quilttop Charvel star, and some import model blue Jackson Warrior. All with PAF Pros in the bridge and Edge Pro II tremolos. And as for 7-strings he busts out his Universe UV7BK(which I have too) and a modded RG7620. Sometimes he uses an orange RG550(6 string) too.

He no longer plays his Hamer and Gibson flying V's live now apparently.

If you are going to buy a B.C.rich guitar i suggest an american handcrafted one THATS THE REAL SHIT costly but its worth it i have the one you are planning on geting but mine is the bolt-on neck i switched the bridge pickup to an emg 81 there is a huge difference. the guitar has good playability

yeah, but thats you. My first guitar had a floyd, and i hated restringing it because the strings started to sound so dead so quickly, and it was just a bitch to string versus fixed bridges... i converted... that and i had no use for it because im not big on solos or whammy tricks... they seem too wanky when i do it.

in conclusion: dont buy a bc rich

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If you're gonna buy ANY BRAND GUITAR BUY A US(or other country) HANDCRAFTED one, because THATS THE REAL SHIT. * That's what you should've said.

If you must have a BCR you should look for some of the older decent models, not necessarily 80's NJ series, many they can be had cheap and play great but are hard to find. The new NJ/NT's leave many similar priced guitars shitless, don't know about the Invisabolts, but since their asian factories are really catching up in terms of build quality they may be awesome too.

But for a begginner, invest in a cheaper axe like the ones I've suggested just to be on the safe side and not own a 600$ guitar that makes it difficult for you to learn on.

AMEN BROTHER! But i dont hvae 5 grand (mind you i'm canadian) to spend on a Bernie Rico Vixen

http://cgi.ebay.com/Bernie-Rico-Jr-...1QQcmdZViewItem
THE GLORY! (arent emo guitars so cute... look at the razorblade)

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I see alot of people saying stay away from tremlo's. My second guitar had a tremlo and i survived. I bought it not too long after i got my first one relizing i was gonna stick with it. I mean just get someone to show you how to re-string it, if your retarded and you'll have it.

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As for that guitar i found the price tag to be a bit absurd. It's nice looking but damn the V shape seems to be long.

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bc rich isn't bad

I have a warlock nj and a Jackson randy roads and i prefer my warlock!

Btw great bands like Belphegor play with bc rich!

I would reall stay away from BC Rich all together. I would also stay away from the JS Series of Jackson guitars.

You should pick yourself up a nice Ibanez or entry level Dean. Also, if you want to get a Double Locking Bridge, go fo it. But bring it down to your guitar shop or a friend to show you how to change the strings, cause it can be a pain in the ass.

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not really. i just recently ordered a kerry king signature bc rich and it was only 300.00 and i also have a bc rich warlock that i got last year and it was only 200.00. theyve never dissapointed me so far. i like them.

Go to your local music store right now and pick up some other brand name guitars..... .....I belive ive seen this 200 dollar warlock 1 tone knob and 1 volume. I played it and then had to go wash my hands for having the feeling shit was on them!

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well you have your opinion and i have mine. wat kind of guitars do you prefer?

It could've been a different model...

This is a good guide for people thinking of investing in a BC Rich, excluding USA models because I don't know jack shit about them. Do people a favor and redirect them to this thread should the same topic ever come up again(it will). :

As a general rule, Rave and Bronze series are absolute shite. There were some decent platinums in the past, all the ones nowdays are plywood shit. Then came along the platinum pro which in many cases are also plywood guitars but some play well, but still ridiculously overpriced. The first import series called "International", like the one Trey Azagthoth plays, blew hardware wise but play nicely.

Some of the NJ series runs were also plywood, and some of them are some of the greatest sounding mid-priced metal axes out there too. Most of the modern NJ's 1989 onward are very decent, although a bit pricey new because some stores still think the old models should still sell for the same that they sold 10 years ago.

Very few NJ's were actually made in Japan, those are outstanding quality but are very rare. Most of the Korean NJ's(almost everything you can ever find 2nd hand) are very good buys if you swap in new pickups and an OFR if it's a trem version. Then there are very rare "IG400 Series" and other weird small batch runs like the U-Series amongst others that are rare as fuck but are worth their weight in gold, like this guy's blue quilttop Ironbird(not an NJ):

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/...rz/PICT0616.jpg

(center one, the one to the left is a U-series neckthru bird(Japanese made, passed as USA because of quality control), left is just a custom 7 string)

Erik Rutan has been playing one of the new NT JR. V series recently, $600 for neckthru quilt top mahogany axes with ebony boards, slick fretjob. Very high build quality. Licensed trem and stock BSDM pickups though, but I'd buy one if it came in Ironbird form.

Oh yeah, recently played an NJ Classic neckthru mockinbird in a store recently and it was ace, ebony fingerboard, quilt natural top, good sustain and action, fixed bridge too. Didn't like the inlays though. They sell for 500$ new. :O

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actually scatch that i dont give a shit.

you this might sound absured but at sam ash there selling moser custom shop guitars v for 800 and if you really like playing you wont need one for a LONG TIME unless you want some other guitars. I really wish i had bought a nicer one but i i dident and i regert

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Actually they're not customs, they're "standard" Mosers imported from Korea. But they're really good quality! Neckthru construction, decent hardware, etc. Ol from the UK thrash band Evile plays one of those imports, says they're very nice. I just wish they had more shapes than the bastard V and that other super ugly one...

The real customs will cost you a lot more but hey, they're custom.

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I have an older NT NJ BC Rich Mockingbird. Stay away from Mocks, they neck dive like a bitch. It, dispite that, is a great guitar. Harmonics fly off this fucker like you wouldn't believe. Its solid maple, so its very bright, and at 400$US, it was a steal. Also, on the Moser comment, they are manufactured in Korea, but Neal will personally do a basic setup on them before they are shipped to the dealers. You can also send it to him and get a pro setup for 150$, and that just rules. Hope I helped in some way!

Being neck heavy is a bad excuse to not buy a guitar. Just relocate the strap buttons.

Is yours the NJ Classic mockingbird? That one has mahogany wings but 3P maple top and ebony fingerboard. They look fantastic and play and sound great, I've played one in a store through a Marshall 3203A.

Yes all the NM import guitars are setup by NM himself, if they weren't they'd probably cost 150$ less.

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maaaaan... some guitars are tooooo neck heavy. My friend's virgin... it balances out when its PERFECTLY horizontal. Moving the strap buttons didnt do anything to it, infact it only made it worse. Its also a bitch to play because your fretting arm gets tired from holding the whole guitar up so you can play........... and then theres the crappy tone and playability... but yeah... what can you expect from a platinum pro?

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You can't solve the Mocks neck heavy-ness. I've tried, but heres an idea, hold the neck and it won't neck dive

90% of all non strat or strat-lookalike(ie: Warlock) are going to be neck heavy, given the position of where the straplocks are gonna be(on the back around the neck joint instead of on a top horn like a Warlock or strat).

My Ironbird was neck heavy as fuck, moreso than a RR but replacing the straplocks twice I was able to find a sweetspot, now it's the most comfortable to play guitar I've ever had.

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The new BCR NT models are pretty damn good. My brother in law picked up a Warlock about 2 months ago. He dropped some EMG's Kerry King pups in it and it freeking screems! Really nice thin neck, nice axess to the lower frets... A really nice axe, but it is in the $899 CDN price range!

The Deans are also a great buy. You get a nice FBD or Dime-O-Flame loaded with some nice features for a decent price new and used. I find the low end Jacksons to be a little crappy honestly... the quality isnt what it use to be. And unless your playing a $800 + Jackson I think you might be disapointed. And the Ibanez is always a good choice, but if you want something a little different I wouldnt grab one... Just because everyone's got one. I don't agree with that mentallity but some people think that way.

And the "new" Kramers are pretty decent. I had tried a setneck model a couple of years back and thing surprised me. I had read and heard a lot of negative feedback about them. Because Gibson was slacking on the Kramer Quality and all. Bu the one I played sounded pretty good. Great sustain on it... something to look into.

H.

+42.

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you forgot the famous red Ironbird

Personally I've always found BC Riches to be just too crunchy; they can't seem to attain a comfortable or smooth distortion tone that I like. Tones such as those in "Death" (Download 'spirit crusher') are good xamples of how I mean. I like the tone, just it isn't one that I'd want myself. I've played a range of BCriches accross the years and found it in most of the models, even in the higher end NJ flying vee etc...

Keep your eyes peeled for a brand named 'Maverick' if you're wanting to test possible guitars. Not the most versatile of instruments, but for sound and playability I prefer them to many other guitars, though this is probably just down to the fact of habit and what I'm used to

Dude just swap the pickups on any BCR and you'll be happy, the stock pups on most of their non-US made instruments are better served as refrigerator magnets. It's hard to get great sounds out of them with those BSDM abominations.

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Nar, to me even unplugged they still sound reminiscent of the average strat, just have that clingy-crunchy-twang to them, probably from the body and neck. Sure EMGs etc may cover it up, but as a metaphor I wouldn't wash with excrement if it was soaked in nice aromotherapy oil

Well nearly all the Rave, Bronze, Platinum, Platinum Pro, and even some old NJ's are built from plywood hence the tacky feel/resonance. But most of the solid bodied guitars they've made resonate extremely well. Go pick up one of those NJ Classic BCR's or any of the good NJ, U-Series or IG400 series imports. I would suggest the US BCR's but that is a given.

I didn't suggest the use of EMG's, in fact I hate them, I think they're just meant to be used with plywood sustainless guitars. Any good passives in a solidbodied guitar through a good player into a good amp will make it sound good. My Ironbird is chesswood and I like how it sounds(sort of spanky but pretty resonant, could be more though). Can't wait to fit passives in it and ditch the EMG's that came with it.

I didn't get the metaphor.

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