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http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-BC-RICH-BLO...1QQcmdZViewItem

They look lovely, I am curious as to how well they play. Stock pickups and bridge are obviously shit but that can be fixed with a little bit of cash.

Has anyone tried any of the new NT series BCR's?

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That looks very nice, I'd buy one.

A decent bridge humbucker and it'd be killer, assuming the trem on my NJ series was anything to go by.

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I'd too, even if I don't like the headstock, the QM top and neck construction is already worth more than twice of what it sells for.

Perhaps I'm a little too harsh on licensed trems. I just swear by my Schaller and OFR's.

My dream axe would be similar to that but with a pointed headstock and red dot inlays. :drool:

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looks nice. it could be a decent guitar. its all in how it plays.

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Yeah, a reversed original BCR headstock (like Mr King's of course) would really make me reach for my wallet.

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I'm sorry, but this isn't 'proof'. You can't claim validity to such a statement through one ebay selling/guitar. Judging by the price, a buy-it-now of $600US, I seriously doubt the guitar being that good, on account of its name. B C Rich. Over-styled guitars, overpriced. Truly, as others have said, it's all how it plays. You can't argue that. But I can argue that this guitar looks like a cheap plastic asain toy. I strongly advise to not bother with B C Rich.

I'd buy it, that is if it came in lefty too....

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I played a neck thru Mockingbird, NJ series, and it was a piece of junk. I doubt this is much better, but I would still like to try one out.

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it LOOKS good but who knows?

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Jesus?

Looks nice. I like my BC Rich. That may be because its an older model, though.

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Interesting how you consider neckthru QM top maple with ebony fingerboard guitars to look like asian toys... What is a prestigious instrument to you?

This is just one of the new NT series of BCR's released this year, they all sell for 600-650$ new in stores, and you can't find a guitar with similar features for twice that much. The fact that they're made in Korea also isn't proof that they're of shitty build quality. Judging a guitar by its brand is the epitome of ignorance, as you can buy equally shitty/shittier instruments from highly regarded guitar makes(Epi, Jackson, Fender, Ibanez, etc

I think you're just sore because BCR finally made a decent import guitar with similar features to many US made instruments and sells them for the price of average mid-priced import guitars.

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I agree.

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thats because nobody else uses nato wood because they know its shite.




im guna be a stickler here and say epiphone is poop about 85% of the time, fender is poop if you have a budget, and jackson was bought by fender, and therefore is poop if you're under a budget.

edit: added: This only goes for low price guitars. I'm sure you can get a good guitar from any company with the right amount of digits in the price.

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that's all nice and peachy guys but I wouldn't call this proof.

I have yet to see proof BC Rich makes decent import shit, or ibanez, or jackson, or you name the brand. korean guitars are mostly shitty build quality, just compare the fretwork of a jap ibanez RG to a korean RG for starters..
Specs don't mean shit if the build quality is off, that doesn't only count for low cost guitars.

I wouldn't say Korean guitars are mostly shitty build quality at all. My Korean Ibanez RG was flawless. The finish was also far tougher than the finish on my Prestige RG which has chipped off in 3 places in a matter of months, and I've treated them with the exact same amount of care.

Comparing Korean to Japanese build quality isn't really going to prove anything, another very generalistic comment. Of course there is a difference, you'll see that in the price, but it doesn't mean that if a guitar is MIK it is automatically doomed to be shit. Thats pretty much reserved for Chinese guitars these days...


I agree with this, but who can tell without personally examining each specimin produced? The buyer has to make an informed decision on how the instrument they themsleves have tried out plays, and perhaps the opinions of others who have played/owned for a while. Simply ratting on guitars because they are Korean in origin or have BC Rich written on them without having played the model in question is pretty lame. Sure they make lame budget models, I just wonder how many people who dismiss BC Rich out of hand have only played these ones.

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I have a 2001 NJ series Ironbird made in Korea. The fretwork is just as sweet as the one on my Japanese made Charvel neckthru model 5FX from the late 80's/early 90's(unsure, but mine is in immaculate condition).



Totally agree with the above post as well.

Nato isn't shitty wood, it's "commercial grade mahogany", in otherwords lightweight tight-grain wood that has sound characteristics almost exactly to that of korina, used in Epiphone and Gibson Korina explorers/flying V's.

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Can you smell the irony??


BC Rich are known for making shitty instruments. A neck-thru guitar takes much maintenance care, as the neck can warp easier, be subject to temperature changes yada-yada..BC Rich..neck thru...$600... not a good idea.

Yes I am judging a guitar by its brand. Just as you have done up there ^. And no, I believe I have reason in doing so as there is a trend in the data. Many, many customers are dissatisfied with BC Rich, their build quality, un-balanced guitars, pretentious looks that get old, and the price they paid which they shouldn't have. Trends and statistics go hand-in-hand.

I am one of the suckers. I bought a Bronze Warlock as my first electric. I got ripped off extremely badly. Why? because they sells for the looks. I tried it out in the store, not comparing it to other guitars. I just liked the way it looked.

I vaguely remember Philkilla praising the neck. It is true. The neck is fast, and I used to love the neck...

...Until I got my Prestige RG 1527. The neck on this is supreme. I have never played a better neck. Fucking sex. Fucking blows the BC Rich neck out of the water, it feels like shotty plastic now.


And, I have reason to believe BC Rich wood is shit. Why? Well both my guitars are basswood. The weight difference is incredible. The different of body volume is not much. The RG is thicker than the BC Rich, but the BC Rich is longer. I reckon they're pretty equal, by guesstimation. The weight difference is really, really incredible.


Lets not even mention the BC Rich pickups they mindlessly install on every single fucking stock guitar.

You guys are so fucking stupid. OBVIOUSLY if Slipknot uses BC Rich, I can too.

PUT THE HATE DOWN
WHIKA WHIKA BLOOD!!
666
etc.

Whats ironic?

As for the rest of your post (too long to quote) you are comparing a Bronze Series (i.e. the lowest priced guitar series they make that I'm aware of) with a Japanese Prestige instrument, and you're surprised there is a difference?

You're comparing a budget guitar with a guitar that Nergal from Behemoth, Chris Broderick from Jag Panzer/Nevermore, and Tony Norman from Monstrosity (whilst playing second guitar for Morbid Angel), have played live. And those are just the guys I've actually seen with my own eyes. So it'd be fair to say a professional level guitar.

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again with the failing to mention slipknot.

I thought Slipknot use Ibanez and Jackson (and maybe Jim Root uses Fender too these days...)

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the dudes in slipknot use Ibanez and Fender now. Because BC Rich blows.

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^ well put.

You have to play the guitar to say its "Proof". Ive heard alot of bad things about B.C. Rich from alot of forums. Ive never played one my self so i cant say for sure. So when you buy this guitar and play it man re-post and tell us all about it.

Nothing is ironic, problematic doesn't know what he's talking about. He means hypocricy but there isn't any in that post.

I like B.C. Rich and I hold mine as proof to me. I have also played other models and while some impressed me, others did not. It plays great, has good sound/tone, and is fucking durible. A lot of exposure to Richs comes from the mass availability of the lowergrade bronze guitar when really, if you pick up a NJ or a good Platinum, it may surprise you.

Don't forget Chuck S. used one. Zac from Cephalic does, too. Oh, and Suffocation. Shit, and Andy Larocque, Tom Araya, Steve Tucker, Dave Mustaine, Tony Iommi, Trey Azagthoth, and Slash. Don't forget about Max Cavalera and Paul Gilbert. Did I mention Chuck Schuldiner? I think I did. If I didn't then I should and am now. Infinity: Just because a member of Slipknot (I'm pretty sure its Mick Tomson), or any other band you find to suck, uses a BC Rich does not mean its quality is lowered.

My only problem with BC Richs is that they really over market the crappy sponsered guitars (i.e. Kerry King, Mick Tomson) which gives them that reputation.

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I think the Slayer guys all exclusively use ESP these days (that'll be down to the quality of the endorsement deal, not the guitars), but yeah, for years they used BC Rich. I think the same goes for Max Cavelera and I'm afraid Mustaine hasn't used one for nearly as long a sI've been alive! He's also ESP now. I doubt you could have forgotten he was with Jackson for about 20 years!

You can add Bolt Thrower to your list (thye've played BC Rich since they formed), and Krisiun have used them.

And spot on about the NJ (or the better platinum models).

It's also a shame that they put so much into that naff Body Art series with dodgy artwork so very badly laminated. This must be what most BCR haters see and know... I'd take an NJ Warlock or Iron Bird over what so many people play (i.e. Gibson and Epiphone Les Pauls) any day.

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Yeah, I haven't seen Mustaine with one for a long time - I was just throwing in names that I know use them on occasion.

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Deathmaster and Darko, I totally agree with you on your points. I fucking hate the whole stupid 'entry-level' line crap that B.C. Rich whores out, as well as the 'body-art' line, it really does add alot to people's perceptions on what they stand for and alot of the body art guitar finishes are tacky as hell anyways. Shit, three of my favorite players [Schuldiner, LaRoque and Azagthoth] use B.C. Rich guitars but that'll never change my perception that every B.C. Rich I have ever played just didn't feel right for me. The only exception? A sweet early 90's Ironbird, and due to that experience I have an infatuation with Ironbirds now.
So what if some trendy fucks play B.C. Rich? Guitar companies need these guys to put in full page ads for trendspotting guitar magazines to sell themselves as a PRODUCT. Tons of shitty pop-metal bands in the late 80's - early 90's used Ibanez but that didn't stop Steve Vai, Alex Skolnick, Paul Gilbert, or Shawn Lane from playing them.

EDIT : And Jesus H., when I think of the Warlock body style, Max Cavalera as seen on the 'Inner Self' video comes immediatley into mind, I dunno about the rest of you guys.

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^ agreed upon but not only does BC do this but Jackson and Dean. Jackson does it mostly with Kerry King and Dave Mustaine. I have to say Dean is by far the worse out of the 3 go to their main website:
(Dime Bag Dime Bag)
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"And here and there" you will see a non tributed guitar that has the same specs for a great deal less.

paying for a name......

What do you think is gonna happen when you compare a guitar that costs 200$ and a guitar that costs roughly 1,000$...? Of course the one that costs five times as much is gonna be better. You're still a douchebag.



EDIT: Should have read Deathmasters post. You're still a douchebag though.

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im going to have to disagree with u there. i know my screen name is dean guitars but i love my ml. its not the best guitar out there but its certanly better than bc rich and some jackson models.
kerry king and dave mustaine have nothing to do with jackson anymore.
and dimebag is praised because he was a great guitarist and recently died.
just throwing that out there.

I think he was just making a point on how his death may have been turned into a commodity. On the subject of the ML and the Jackson models, I don't know how the play so I can't complain about them.

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Yeah who even fucken cares what Slipknot use anyway I was expressing how gay this thread is as a metaphor.

Back to the original guitar...

This quote from the ebay link cracks me up



Its like saying "Who else but McDonalds would you expect to offer you hamburgers?"

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Dean. Yes. I said in the Dime Razorback thread how they are selling the Dean From Hell for £899 in the UK (dunno what that is in US, can't be bothered to look it up but I'll bet it's a lot!), and the fucking thing is made in China and feels horrible, with terrible hardware (except for the pickups, and it comes with a very nice hard case.)

Don't wanna be a historian here, but Kerry King hasn't played Jackson ever that I'm aware of, but yeah Jackson did push the Mustaine / Friedman thing a lot, and why shouldn't they? They are a company trying to sell their product just like any other, a little advertisment never hurt. Jackson have now unfortunately sunk to selling Jenna Jameson stuff

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What the hell are you people talking about, KK still plays BCR's exclusively, only Hanneman and Araya are endorsed be ESP.

Comparing prestigious US-made instruments to mass produced pieces of shit and judging any brand in such a manner is utterly fucking stupid, and a clear display of your "insert brand name here"-cock fellation.

Ie:

My USA BCR plays sounds and feels better than any Ibanez RG, Jackson Dinky, or ESP I've layed hands on. "OH NO BUT YOU ONLY PLAYED SHITTY IMPORT MODELS"... well I don't give a fuck, I'm going to judge said brand because of their shitty import models!

It's hilarious how some guitar players are just as snobby as millionaire car collectors, always judging potential purchases by their country of manufacture and brand. Pfft.

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Yea a little never hurts anyone. Is when i go to the site and have to search for hours to find a non tributed guitar that i get angry. As for Jackson they do it pretty bad if you go to their main site. Ibanez(and yes i own one) has the only website i can actually go to and not have 1 million tributed guitars thrown at me.




As for this the ML models they have nothing to do with dime they were made back in like the late 60's early 70's era. I know he played the ml model but you dont say if your ml is tribute or just a non-tribute ml(In your post it seems you think ML's are made especially for dime since you did not include tribute or non-tribute). You can find non tribute Ml's(The ML Noir Xt is bad ass and only cost $470 add more cash for your favorite pickups because the pickups in it are Crap). They have tributed Ml's too dime(the ones he played with in his videos) which cost an ass more and are Ml's however(Ive seen this guitars in the 1,000 dollar range-correct me if im wrong). I also respect Dime but man i mean really go to their main website and almost ever guitar is tributed to him. I don't know about you guys but i think a tribute guitar is more for looks then playing. I would rather have a non-tribute model any day.

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I think alot of guitar company's rely alot on this tribute crap to cash in on big names with less specs(Thats why i say there crappy). Alot of times out of none there are way better non-tribute models out there which are cheaper are for around the same price.

I can see alot of people complaining about imports also. One thing can be said if you look at imports on Parts for any type of machine that come over from N.K., S.K., China, India....most of the time its crap and goes out in days.(This is why in you see alot more production of parts in the USA because people are tired of the low quality over seas.) So i would be more than happy to apply the same to the guitars that come from over there. Maybe with the exception of every 1 in a 1,000. So whats the chance of you getting that 1 guitar out of the other 1,000 models made, slim to none.

My fault Kerry King does not play with Jackson i misread the name it was King Kelly, i dont know if its an actual guy or the name for the guitar.

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sorry i misread ur previous post. but im very aware that there not built for him since the design came out when he was a kid. mine is a non tribute( but thats not really important)sorry but like i said i misread that was my fuck up

I just found out that the neckthru Jr. V that Erik Rutan has been playing with HE on the recent European tours(and on their DVD) is actually one of these new NT V's, not some USA model, but he did swap the bridge for a schaller and threw in an active pickup(they're actually made in China! I think that pretty much shits all over your idea of "Chinese quality standards"). I also know of someone who owns one and also loves how they play.

So there you have it.

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Read up on B.C. Rich´s history, they were early with neck-through guitars and apparently it was standard on the old B.C. Richs

+1

I think the 1970's Bich's and Mockingbirds' were the first neckthru guitars if I remember correctly.

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