Hey I was thinking of getting this B.C. Rich Avenge Son Of Beast model.
http://www.guitarasylum.com/JPGGuit...B_Avenge_SM.jpg

Now before you all start saying "That's a shitty guitar!" Or "B.C. Rich sucks!" Here is what I want to do. Install a Kahler tremelo system on it and a EMG 81 pickup. So take a really cheap guitar and soop it up. Well what do you guys think?

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Bad idea

The frets might not be of very good quality, same for the wood, the neck might not be very fast, sustain might be poor, bridge installation is a hassle, cheap tuners need to go... Eh, I wouldn't do it. I'd save up and get a higher end 80's NJ BC Rich that come with stock Kahlers(maybe not a Beast as it's a relatively newer model).

Play it and determine if it's worth spending 400$+ in upgrades. Or save the cash on it and get a 600$ guitar. :P Or save even more and get a Ran/BCR custom exactly how you want it.

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Hmmm yeah. A ran might be good. Anyway i'll try the guitar and see if it's any good. Who knows it might be better than expected.

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CANT POLISH A TURD.

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The beast looks ugly and pretentious like fuck anyway, as do all BC Rich models. I don't care about your money, so do whatever the fuck you want.

get a new neck and body while you're at it.

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play it first. if it plays well do it, if not forget it. you can pimp it up all you want, but a shit neck will ruin the project.

What exactly was the point of that post?

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dude, I no way in hell recommend tremolos at all. I got a floyd rosed guitar and that shit sux especially if u wanna tune to different combos of tuning.

I recommend string thru bridges, EMG 85 because honestly theres hardly a difference betwen the EMGHZ and EMG81. the EMG85 gives a much more punchy signal output.

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I have a tremelo system on all my guitars. I love em.

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Same here, it's all fucking preference. Got 3 axes with GOOD trems, not halfassed shitty stock licensed trems. Anyone who judges a trem by only using a crappy licensed copy should be forced to swallow it.

String changing/tuning change is not a big hassle, but you're not supposed to be consistently changing tunings dramatically(ie from E to B to C to Eb to C# etc.) on your guitar anyway.

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even if you give it a half-decent generic sound, a b.c. rich will still play like a log.

It's funny, because I have a very cheap b.c. rich clone that actualy plays better than a real one

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he just wants attention although or because he has nothing to say


@topic: dont test a bc at your local guitar store you might find out if you like em or not

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Well let's see...
Kahler is a badass trem, and the EMG-81 is a badass active pickup that does have the uncanny ability to kinda make every axe it's in sound the same.
I say you should try out the guitar first and see how it goes. If you're not feeling it with the guitar itself, then this is a bad idea. But if you totally get a vibe going on with the guitar, then there's no reason why you shouldn't do it.

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Thanks Sycophant! I have a B.C. Rich NJ Warlock and love it. I don't see any problems with B.C. Rich. Anyway I'm going to ask to order one to try it out. It's a special model. Like limited. And usually those guitars are either good or bad. So hopfully it all works out.

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Actually I have a Licenced Trem on my Warlock and it's fine. Then on my other guitars I have Original Floyds and Edge Pros. I thought a Kahler would fit this best because I am going to put this guitar in D# for Slayer, Deicide ect. Plus Kahler's are cheaper to install and less of a hassel than Floyds.

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dude whos asking question:

play it, if it plays nice, get it and mod it.

bc rich is a name that usually means "shitty guitar" but we all know that shitty companies haev an uncanny ability to make 1 good one out of 1000, so maybe this beast you pick up will be that good one. Just do all the quality tests on it, play all the frets on all the strings for buzzing, see if you can stick a piece of paper inbetween the neck and body (if you can, thats bad), and make sure it fits how YOU PLAY.

A guitar that looks cool isnt as good as one that plays well.

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Most B.C Richs are looks over sound

That B.C Rich guitar in particular, is a very shitty built one. The money you would spend on new parts for it, could go towards a very nice second hand guitar.

If it's lower in quality than the NJ series then I wouldn't bother personally.

I had an NJ Warlock with a licenced floyd and it was the most stable floyd I have owned that wasn't an Ibanez Edge or Edge Pro. After a bridge pickup change it was killer, and I only sold it to finance a new 7 string. (that was just to everyone who was busy slating Bc Rich licenced floyds...)

But as someone said previously, upgrading the bridge and pickup won't necessarily stop it being a crap guitar (if it is crap), lame tuners, and a poor quality nut will drive you insane with tuning problems, and once you upgrade one thing, you'll soon realise you'll need to upgrade everything else, and if it's a shitty build quality then you can't really fix that. Might as well have started from scratch with a Ran!

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that sums it up right there and even if you change the
pickups the guitar most likely will still sound like
crap

and also in my experience most b.c. rich guitars
are built like shit

I own an NJ Beast and I have an X2N in the bridge and a PAF Pro in the neck. I play it through a Crate GT3500 and I looove the sound. It plays wonderfully, and in my opinion, the most comfortable guitar I have played. It's all preference. Personally, I wouldn't go with that guitar. It is a smaller version of the actual beast and you're probably better off just sticking with an NJ beast. I wouldn't get that one. It's a bronze and it's smaller, I have played on before. Didn't care for it. But like I said, it's all preference dude. You like it, you'll probably buy it. But you wanted feedback and you got it. good luck bud.

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BCR is not a synonym of shitty build quality, you douches. Jackson builds equally shitty if not worse LOW END guitars. BCR builds mostly LOW END guitars, not strictly guitars for pros.

The guitar will sound like crap if it's built like crap, regardless of brand/looks, period.

I have a 2001 NJ Ironbird with an OFR and EMG 81 85 combo with the fastback neck heel and it plays and sounds great, despite the frets being a little worn. Well the EMG's are subjective, they sound like gobshit to me but that'll be fixed when I throw in a Dimarzio X2N/PAF Pro combo with coil splitting.

The only reasons I DON'T suggest this is because this particular model is of very low build quality. But hell if you play it and feels right to YOU, go for it man, and fuck what people tell you because in the end the feel is all that matters.

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