I know that Meshuggah has been questioned as to there greatness, so please, I feel I am quite suited to tell you why exactly they are the only true Fusion Math Metal band out there. I am in college studying music, and in a local rock band as well. I have a deep love for music that goes beyond whats popular. It is said that common humans use less than percent of there brain, and it is true to music as well, there are more musical tools and techniques than you can comprehend, and I would be surprised if the average band uses five percent of them.

Dude, you're going to get flamed really badly. I love Meshuggah though.

??? Aren't you going to tell us why they are so great?

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Meshuggah blow. Their songs are too samey.

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man, meshugga tabs look like the matrix code, trippy shit

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Meshuggah blow.

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Good job.

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Meshuggah are a amazing band. Incredible musicians. I would go insane trying to learn pretty much any of their songs.

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haha, hey you know that movie blow?? its realy meshugga

<-- blame him

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I thought 'Nothing' would be an easy album to play along to.

It is, but memorizing the times ... Christ.

Haha, i used to think exactly the same. Though I obviously wasn't paying much attention before because Thomas is a beast behind the drums.

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I understand what you are saying about meshuggah sounding kinda samey, it isn't my personal oppinion though. To truly enjoy Meshuggah you need to have atleast a mediocre understanding of music theory, I enjoy them the most when I just listen to the same song or part of a song for about an hour just trying to break it down. For example a portion that I just broke down was the concept album I, the portion that I focused on was just past 8 minutes and 30 seconds, Every time he does an upstroke on the guitar and holds it for a split second, it constantly changes between 1, 2 and 3 upstrokes. now go and listen between 8 minutes and thirty-nine seconds and nine minutes and 16 seconds and tell me what you get. And take a mathamatical approach to this. it only seems totally random. get back to me.

yea meshugga licks balls!.

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I like Meshuggah.

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so what song are you talkign about?? i dno meshugga eraly well so i might just overlooked the title

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Many people complain about the Nothing/Catch 33 "sound", and how Meshuggah is overdoing it ... I could care less as to how many songs they make in that format, since they completely invented the format. I can listen to something that is completely and utterly original all day.

I've really got into them quite recently, I've been checking out a few tabs, gonna try learning some soon, "New Millenium Cyanide Chirst", after a quick mess about was really bloody complex!

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Within 30 minutes!

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Meshuggah are my favourite band ever. If it wasn't for them I wouldn't be listening to Beneath The Masacre, Ion Dissonance, Cryptopsy etc....they completely opened my eyes up to the possibilities of real music


and for those who say it's too samey, Meshuggah has always been about rhythm and trance like songs, songs that you can zone out to. It's all about the rhythm....and I don't care what you say nobody has a tone like them, for as low as they tune their tone is fucking fantastic.


Also for those who say they have trouble playing it, don't think too much about it, just feel the beats and it'll come to you, personally I have absolutely no problem playing Meshuggah at all apart from the leads.


I mean if JF Richard from Ion Dissonance lists Tomas Haake as one of his greatest drumming influences then Meshuggah can't be all bad right?

Or do you guys think Ion Dissonance blow aswell lol

The concept album I totally blew me away.

i just re-downloaded some meshuggah, some stuff is pretty cool, but that singer, goddamn, his voice makes me realy dislike the music, its so fucking anoying

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Yeh Jens is definately an acquired taste.....but you'll get used to it and soon realise that it suits the music so much

The song/album "I"

When I first heard Jens, I thought "Damn, he sounds like a fucking robot!"

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Yeh he moves like one too....when I saw them Live in London....my god he was so kewl, he had this aura of stage presence around him

First sentence problems (beyond the usual linguistic errors):
1) Egregious use of stupid genre classification
2) Self-promotion
3) The use of the word 'true', which within metal is quite possibly the most masturbatory prefix available



Well, now we've established that you are indeed truly interesting and unique here. No-one else is in a band or has ever studied music. Please expand your opinion in tortured syntax.



WELL SAID. We do in fact use 'less than percent of there brain'. In other news, Neuroscience is not invited to your pool party. He will be staying at home with his friend Grammar.



There are indeed more 'musical tools' than I can comprehend. And it appears there's one of them here.

Meshuggah caught it in the neck from every half-decent reviewer available for both Catch-33 and Nothing (fucking DUMB name for an album that doesn't offer much... no self-promotion on these guys).

Why? Why would people who review nothing but all sorts of metal all the time offer opinions like that? Seeing as you know everything, I'll let you explain it to us lesser mortals.

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I and indeed I'm sure many peolpe could care less what reviewers say, it's down to personal taste.....don't take someones word for it go listen to the album. If you dont like it thats fine but I think Nothing and Catch 33 were the best albums they did.

Be nice everyone, be in awe that Jack Osbourne joined Metaltabs!

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Did he really lol?

He loves Meshuggahs cock aswell

fuck meshuggah

LOL NO IT WAS A JOKE> LOLL.

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Hahaha, spot the tool.....me!!!!

that is a load of bollocks, my mate knows nothing of music theory yet he adores meshuggah. climb out of your own arse.

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Word dude, been into Meshuggah since I was 9 and I think they are amazing. I even learned how great they when I picked up the guitar, their rhythm is so fucking untouchable but their shit blows

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ION DISSONANCE sux,
death core sux.

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As if Ion Dissonance suck mate, they know there shit and their competant musicians completely...you may not like the music but the guys know their theory and instruments down to the molecular level

And Ion Dissonace aren't Deathcore...the mere fact that you labelled them that tells me you know fuck all about them

I realize how much fun it is to comb through sentences for grammatical errors and pick apart why you don't me so much, but I'm pretty sure we're here to talk about music. If you would really like to insult me, please just send me a question about something and pick apart how weong my response is. I don't feel there is any problem here when I say where I come from musically, I know how much you would like to percieve that as gloating, but I am just giving a background since I have never been to this forum before. So now, do you like Meshuggah or not?

Well if your friend really likes them now, you should suggest to him some basic music theory, just pick up a book about it. Picking apart music is how I have always best learned from music. So no hard feelings, just don't feel like you have to hate me.

Liberace, George Michael and Elton John formed a band called "The Faggotiers" and it was still LESS gay than Meshuggah.

Haha even though your insulting my favourite band....I gotta give you kudos for that cuss

Would someone please close this?

By the way I just got a tab for the new Meshugguh song...

I like meshugah a lot as well but I can definitely understand why the people who don't like them feel that way. They can get pretty heavy at times but music was not meant to be a math equation picked apart and anaylzed. At least not any variant of rock music (metal). Not saying that they shouldnt be technical, but there is really no soul to the music, no feeling.

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They are one of the bands that are technical for the sake of being technical. The only thing really technical about them is odd time sigs, but a lot of bands do that now a days.

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OK, that was funny enough to forgive you.

Will post later.

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I think his first post was a failed attempt to say he likes Meshuggah. Atleast thats kinda what the suggests.

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You guys are fucking dumb, its 2 different people. It's time to read words people get off of picture books.

Humancorpse that doesnt apply to you because you're cool and foreign. I love you

I'm sorry, its just that your posts reek of arrogance.

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agreed, many of their tunes are just really big 8 string style chords played over and over in different weird rhythms and times sigs.

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I agree they are far more rhythmic than melodic, but if you listen to all those unconventional solos they sound near identical to the decided best guitarist ever. Allen Holdsworth, he a fusion jazz guitarist, but if you want to try something differant than you should give a listen. Now it seems no one tried my little sample suggestion, but what you were looking for was a box seven across and seven down, if you fill out each one of these with the upstroke or quarternote, then add all of them up across and down then they will come out to exactly 78, both of them. and let me tell you, working out a box like that is a chore, and absolutely not random. I was amazed when I found it. I was listening to this part in the song when I decided there is now way this is random, so I spent about an hour and a half finding a pattern.

It just amazes me that they would take the time to work that out when virtually no one is ever going to find it. I understand how some of you think that they have no character, but you have to hand it to them that they are amazingly smart and talented musicians. And there is no reason to just say they suck, no band deserves that. almost every band out there, puts alot of time and effort towards there music. So please just go as far as saying you dislike some ones music.

Right... You know if you line up Tool's Anemia with Aliens 2, it plays along in almost perfect synchronization? They did that on purpose too!

Meshuggah are cool, but I definitely can't take too much of them and simply because a band has a mastery over a skill does not make them a great band. Cool rhythm fucks, twisted leads, and some songs do create a cool trance with the repitition/rhythm. None of that is original, however.

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no character? they expelled the Village People from their tour for NOT being gay enough.

I respect Meshuggah more than like them. They basically changed the face of metal (go back and see how different albums are before and after Destroy. Erase. Improve. got disseminated into the metal consciousness) and are one of the only metal bands that can be considered assustained experimenters (though only in one direction), so I'm glad they're around. But, as is so often the case, other bands bore more fully the fruits of their experiments.

......that was a different guy with the same avatar dude, "MeTal 805".

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I'd just like to put this in the topic. I've said it before, and it suits this topic well.

Technicality, complexity, and a fluent use of theory in music doesn't complete the musiscian or his/her music. For example; Take 30 drummers, from any genre/ethnic background/etc. Set them behind the same kit. Have them play this beat. JUST this beat. No fills, no tricks.

JUST THIS;

Hh|x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-|
Sn|----o-------o---|
Bd|o---o---o---o---|

Have them all play that, and I guarentee you, everyone of them will sound different. Why? Because it's the energy we put into our music that defines it's power and signifigance, none of this complexity and crap. YOu can put alot of sweep picking, complex solos, multiple tempo changes and time signature changes, a variety of key changes, and it will sound crappy if it isn't backed up by a musician's emotion. A tuba player plays a song that contains alot of dynamic changes..... so what if he hits those dynamic changes at the right volume. He doesn't add anything to it besides what written on the sheet of music. He plays "ff" at an "ff" volume when he should actually play it at "ffff" if he had any surge of passion while playing that song.

I'm not saying Meshuggah doesn't put their heart into their music. But, c'mon, there are a load of other bands more or even less complex than Meshuggah. I'm just saying don't give one band, even Meshuggah, too much credit for being innovative or technical, because it'd be wrong to measure up bands by their fluency in playing.

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I think dude was arguing for complexity, not technicality. World of difference.

im beginning to suspect hes a member of some religion, cuz most religions try to convince peeple of their religion, kinda what this guy does with meshuggah, give it a rest man, if you love them, good for you, keep it that way, i think everyone here has some band or guitarist or whatever hes a big fan of and thinks their genuis, but most here dont try to convince others with it.


else id had like 1.000.000 jon and astennu threads over here

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And I would have a couple of Disturbed threads.... stare if you want. I love them.

PST- What's the difference between complexity and technicality? I thought they were the same.

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Hmmmmm good question.. Maybe technicality revolves around one/or a few sets of rules in a particular way, where as complexity revolves around whatever rules in a chaotic order.

For instance to me Dragonforce is purely technical where as Spastic Ink, Ion Dissonance or Into the Moat to me is complex


I see where your coming from, I guess it depends on the person...but to me they are two different things but have a common meaning

Catch 33=Best 40+ minute song ever

Well, Edge of Sanity's Crimson and Crimson 2 come close

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if by "best" you mean "boring" than yes, you're right.

even Sleep's "Dopesmoker", with half the riffs and added 20 minutes, is less boring.

Fuck you
I pick The Amenta

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thats not boring at all!

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Your boring

Hmm even though this was directed to a specific person ill give my 2 cents.

Personally, I associate technicallity being difficult to play, and has difficult arrangement. Complexity in my opinion is kind of a vice versa... maybe concentrating more on the techniques in the music rather than being instrumentally difficult.
They both kind of go hand in hand though. 'Masterful' is also a virtue of both subjects, but simplicity can be masterful aswell.

Hmm good question, got me thinking.

This had me in stiches

Ten Ton Alien is a funny cunt too, I just noticed.


Loved the thread, gave me heaps of entertainment...and i'm now in a good mood

Those who like Meshuggah need to check out Textures.

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I feel I have accomplished what I set out to do by making this thread. With much mud thrown by both sides, I really just want people to talk about them. I really just wanted to make this thread so they might go out and listen to there music. Whether you agree with me or not, at least we are all passionate enough to defend our own positions (though some are better than others), so just give them a serious listen, I'm not asking to make it the only metal band you listen to, but just add it to what you already are. I could really say a whole lot more, but I think I'll make this my last post. Later

Everyone has listened to them. You're not spreading the word about them. Stephan Carpenter did that seven years ago when he used to mention them and Fear Factory in interviews leading up to the Deftones' Ozzfest spot; a few years later Jack Osborne did it when he mentioned them on one of the most-watched cable shows of the time. Since then, virtually everybody in or near the metal world's listened to Meshuggah. Notice how not a single post was 'eh, I never really listened to 'em'? That's because their name is out there. You don't have to get it out there. You don't see discussions of them crowding the forums anymore because we're all talked out about them.

Incidentally (missed this before), Allan Holdsworth, while great, is far away from being the 'decided best guitarist ever.' Even if you're going to choose a 70's fusion guitarist, most people would choose McLaughlin, who has, let's remember, held his own with giants of several genres. Know how many people have held the stage like an equal with both Miles Davis and Paco de Lucia? One.

they are techinical woopideedoo!!!! they dont write good songs

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That is subjective, bassist of light.

only heard a couple of songs,didn't like them

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