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2006-10-05, 09:17
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Tubes of a 5150?
what stock tubes do 5150s come with? i havent checked mine just wondering if i can upgrade them into something better if theres something better. do u guys have any suggestions?
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2006-10-05, 13:13
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I dont know what tubes come with the 5150, but you can upgrade them. The only thing though is that you will have to rebias the tubes. Some good companies I heard of are Ruby and JJ.
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2006-10-05, 17:02
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to my knowledge the stock tubes are sovteks.
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2006-10-05, 21:03
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Originally Posted by xdislexicx
to my knowledge the stock tubes are sovteks.
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Correct. And JJ tubes are chosen by many 5150 owners, they have a less harsh sound than the stock Sovteks and really bring the amp to life supposedly.
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2006-10-05, 22:21
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i was told that 5150s do not need biasing
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2006-10-05, 22:50
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i was told that 5150s do not need biasing
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Yeah the preamp tubes don't, but the power tubes have to be matched.
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2006-10-06, 00:15
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Originally Posted by Soeru
Correct. And JJ tubes are chosen by many 5150 owners, they have a less harsh sound than the stock Sovteks and really bring the amp to life supposedly.
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nice nice harsh sound u mean all little static sounding stuff u get from an amp? or u mean out of the gain? |
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2006-10-06, 00:19
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nice nice harsh sound u mean all little static sounding stuff u get from an amp? or u mean out of the gain?
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i think he means the really tight, high attack crackle. Like how the amp just screams at you at higher volumes
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2006-10-06, 07:01
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arnt the combos fixed bias?
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2006-10-06, 10:46
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arnt the combos fixed bias?
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I don't know about that. Regardless fixed bias amps(ie: some Mesa Boogies) can be modded for not much cash to use different tubes.
By harsh I mean yeah, lots of treble, very raw sterile sound(think of any metalcore band's sound). JJ's make the 5150 sound warmer, more defined, "natural sounding", but don't take anything away from the brutality of the amp. JJ pre's are a favorite in 5150's too.
I got a pair of JJ 6l6GCs sitting around to be placed into my Engl Fireball(also a popular choice) when it's necessary(anyone know of the first signs that indicate a tube change is necessary? I know I don't need to worry about pre tubes for about 2 years...)
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2006-10-06, 19:57
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I don't know about that. Regardless fixed bias amps(ie: some Mesa Boogies) can be modded for not much cash to use different tubes.
By harsh I mean yeah, lots of treble, very raw sterile sound(think of any metalcore band's sound). JJ's make the 5150 sound warmer, more defined, "natural sounding", but don't take anything away from the brutality of the amp. JJ pre's are a favorite in 5150's too.
I got a pair of JJ 6l6GCs sitting around to be placed into my Engl Fireball(also a popular choice) when it's necessary(anyone know of the first signs that indicate a tube change is necessary? I know I don't need to worry about pre tubes for about 2 years...)
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hmmm interesting i might just go for those tubes, i do have that harsh sound u speak about i guess thats normal but i will probably upgrade to some jj's |
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2006-10-07, 14:49
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Didn't want to create a new topic but it's similar.
I'm looking for some new tubes to replace my stock preamp/poweramp tubes on my XXX. My friend has some JJ's on his 5150 and they sound great. I'm looking for a Decapitated (the negation) type distortion. I read around the forums that the XXX has trouble running with el34's. Thanks.
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2006-10-07, 16:52
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Then don't change them to EL34's. 
Try JJ's. Other good choices are Ruby tubes(if you can find them), TAD's(if you don't mind the pricetag). Electro Harmonix and Groovetubes make ok tubes, I wouldn't say "stellar" but probably good, and higher quality than Svetlana's or any chinese made tubes.
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2006-10-07, 18:44
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Actually some Svetlanas are quite good.
A side note that I learned from Eurotubes.com, for those of you with Dual or Triple recs, if you use 6L6's, flip the bias switch to EL34's when you put them in. Rectifiers are biased so cold the added voltage you would be giving to the 6l6's in EL34 mode helps the tone a lot.
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2006-10-09, 12:39
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Peavey is shipping the 6505's with Ruby 6L6's and JJ 12AX7's with a Sovtek 12AX7LPS in the phase inverter spot. They did use Sovek 6L6's for a while and EH 12AX7's.
The JJ 6L6's used to sound great but they started using a smaller pin on the tube bases and it doesn't make a good connection with the 5150 tube sockets. I had so many problems here in the shop with noises and amps cutting out I had to stop using them. The JJ 12AX7's are nice to tame a bright amp but using all JJ's can sometimes make the amp sound dull.
I use Svetlana or TAD 6L6WGC-STR for power tubes and Tungsol, Chinese, or Sovtek LPS for preamp tubes.
The 5150 head and combo have a non-adjustable bias. The 5150II has an adjustable bias, but the range isn't quite hot enough to bias the tubes as warm as most guys like them. The combo has a hotter bias than the head does stock. They all can be modded for a warmer bias.
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