I went to Gigantour yesterday, and i couldnt help but realize that everyone was a big stupid asshole. I understand that some metalheads have a beef with people who Hardcore Dance, but when Lamb of God plays a breakdown, why would the kid who is swinging get attacked my a bunch of big fat pigheaded jocks? During LoG's set i started swinging and kicking, (I weigh about 135) and this guy litterally walked in the small pit i started, and he slammed me to the ground. Am i not aloud to hardcore dance during a Metalcore band? Does anyone else notice this? or is it just me? Are pits really that fun when there are a bunch of Big dudes bullying all the smaller kids on purpose? Even they try to swing their arms but they look like idiots, and when people actually do it right, they try to beat on them?

I dont really see any of the guys on the forum as these kind of people but I mean it really ticked me off a hell of alot yesterday.

I apologize if i sound like a little bitch, but does anyone else realize this?!

Umm... not sure how many people around here are "metalhead bullies" but I sure as hell can tell you that we don't approve of hardcore dancing. So all you're probably gonna get is a "meh".

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no. both are gay beyond human boundaries.

I seriously doubt he knocked you to the ground because he was embarassed at his own inability to hardcore dance as well as you. More likely he knocked you down for the simple reason that he's big and you're small and when big things knock into small things - and remember that a pit is designed for people to run into each other, not to keep apart and practice half-remembered childhood karate class moves - the small things tend to take poorly to it.

However, I do hate the people who go into the pit specifically to hurt smaller people and tend to go into the pit specifically to knock them down and let the angry small kids kick them when they're down. Then again, if a hardcore kid running around doing jump kicks happens to kick near me I tend to tackle said kid to the ground. If you can't enjoy yourself without threatening your fellow fans in some way, you've lost the right every fan should have of being able to enjoy the show without getting hurt. A mosh pit is, ideally, a friendly place, and anybody who doesn't treat it as such is a fucking worm.

The man speaks the truth

Rule of thumb: The bigger the show, the more douchebags show up. My SISTER got attacked by a GUY at a popular hardcore show a while back. There truly are worthless people out there. Just remember, the large shows are a doozy.

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There were some hardcore dancers at the Opeth concert. When Devildriver started of the show, singer Dez announced that anyone who attempts to hardcore dance will be speared to ground in a bonecrushing way. Sure enough, some scene fag did his little fairy dance and got fucked up by a huge dude, this guy was HUGE. It was the greatest thing in the world.

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that sounds pretty fucked up, if it IS the way you said. what exactly were you doing? i know what hardcore "dancing" is, in general, but maybe you did something that told other people you needed to get dropped. i dont know.

while im thinking of this, i saw an OLD live clip on the Ancient Rites dvd, all in 3 seconds i was enraged at what i saw. this guy, in a low numbered pit was doing something that seriously made me want to take a very heavy hammer right to his forehead with all the force i could manage. he would stand facing one way, then turn completely around as his right leg went soaring through the air at about the level of any of our heads. i mean, WHAT THE FUCK! did he really want his huge ass boot to SMASH into the side of some kids head? fuck, it really pisses me off just knowing hes alive and kicking, literally.

I didn't mean for it to come off that way, I dont think it was because he didnt feel like an adequate hardcore dancer. Its just that I saw so many big guys throw their fists and flail them in the arm, but when a smaller kid threw theirs harder and in somewhat of an order, like 5 big guys would run into him. When that kindof shit happens, its not really just people running into eachother, its people purposely trying to hurt one particular person who pretty much cant defend them selves...

and TimeDragon, Doing that stuff at Metal Shows is pretty dumb, there is a place to do everything i guess.... At Hardcore shows, you see that happen alot, it's expected, and people are always ready for it. I guess it is a matter of people not realizing where they are at.

DO NOT hardcore dance at a metal show unless you want to die. Many a metalhead participating in a pit or not has gotten their face/head/neck/back totally aced by another fucker's boot or swinging arm, and they don't forget. Hardcore dancing is retarted, looks dumber than anything, and is alot more dangerous than plain old moshing.

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Rule of thumb. "When you fight the invisable man, sometimes a visable man will appear and you have to take the appropiate action."


I'm not saying it's good to get bullied...but "hardcore" fag dancing can hurt more people with their arms and legs flailing around than a standard moshpits.

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...uh, hardcore fans want to kick each other in the head? if so, i think i just changed my mind. ANY fucking dumbass doing that deserves to get slammed by a speeding train.

If it happens... it happens, You get over it eventually. I got my tooth punched out, so what? It just depends on how afraid you are of people swinging their arms and kicked, and if you are smart enough to get outof the way. Its alot more violent of a show than a metal show, more likely in the local scene, pretty much all of the 'hardcore' bands that everyone here has heard are just really bad Metalcore bands, which dont even sound remotely close to real Hardcore. When it comes down to it, Its just really violent energetic music. People do whatever they feel like doing. If you think it is really stupid, and you have never gone to a real hardcore show, and all you have seen were people with black hoodies, emo hair and tight jeans, then you probably have the wrong impression.

it looks like very angry tae-bo/aerobics when alot of people start that stuff


the jock/asshole/rube thing is one of the reasons<the doorfee being the biggest reason usually> why i dont see the bigger bands,dont go to arena shows and care less about festivals and stacked tours.

i miss alot of bands i like but fuck it, the atmosphere kills most of the enjoyment anyway.

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yeah, nothing better than going to a concert to enjoy music and getting your teeth knocked.

holy shit, if i ever see kids doing that "hardcore dancing" faggotry at a concert, i'll go out of my way and kick them in the spine to cripple them.

See, when you make it seem like getting hit is just a part of the fun and the way you should be reacting is by being violent towards your fellow fans, I don't see why you should consider this any different. Some people express violence by throwing punches indiscriminately, some by throwing little guys to the ground.

The difference, Hardcore dancers dont do it to one person purposely, they swing, and if someone is in the way of the punch then they, same with push pits, you run around, and push, because people are in your way. This is purposely and conciously going 'I'm going to push him as hard as i can!' and doing so.

yeah. less than an hour ago, i thought this was really fucked up, but now it almost seems just. when i see a band play i probably look bored, but im actually just in love . i dont go to shows to mosh or do anything crazy, i go to see the band. i mean, it just seems pretty pointless to go "see a band" if you dont SEE THE BAND cause youre too busy going crazy. i know lots of people would disagree, and like to mosh, but i just fealt like saying it. And if some kids arm comes flying at me while im trying to watch a favorited band, im liable to break it.

Youre a good man Kudos to you!

Anyone who hardcore dances at a metal-dominated gig deserves to be slammed, raped, and have their spinal column pulled out through their anus. Don't bitch about it, if you decide to take the risk and do it, accept the consequences. I've never hit anyone with anything except my long hair in the pit, and that doesn't knock teeth out or break noses.

this is where i stopped reading


dont do that shit

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YOU DO 'HARDCORE DANCING'!!!!!! That barely-controlled epilepsy exercise for lubed-up faggots! God is going to put a pox on your house.

Teenagers should be killed.

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You got your tooth knocked out? Sounds like a grand time!...................

So what moves can you do? How are your spinning heel kicks? What degree of black belt do I need in order to KIK SOM3 @Z33z???

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I don't do dancing of any form to any music. If I'm at a concert, I'm their to exercise my sense of sight and hearing by listeing to the music and seeing whoever is playing the music. I practically behaved the same way at OZZFEST as I would in a concert hall listening to an orchestra..... except at OZZFEST I would often leave the whole "audience" area to get water. But still, I find the idea of hardcore dancing (or any dancing) to be ridiculous. Maybe this is because I'm not a very energetic person and see no reason to express my uplifting feeling that I get with music in a physical way, but that doesn't change my perspective.

And, as BrokenCrimson pointed out, if you can't take the heat then get out of the oven. When I didn't know what Hardcore dancing was and I asked someone, they told me what it was, and I was like, "Why would someone want to jump into a crowd of idiots flailing their arms and legs about with no regard for other people's safety? To look cool?" But that's their choice, and if they get hit, they have no right to complain.

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jesus, i saw a couple of videos of "hardcore dancing" on the net... it's like a bunch of epileptic kids being raped with tasers.

fuckin sad.

You gotta also keep in mind that at a lot of metal shows, there are a lot of 30- something hardasses who probably are waiting to take down a smaller, less tough dude who is stupidly drawing attention to himself.

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I don't care if there is a bunch of big, burly men popping hardons in the pit just because they're excited about beating hardcore dancing bitches. As long as they're not hardcore dancing or starting fights with people who are not hardcore dancing they're fine, and when they beat the shit out of the little cockheads who flail their arms around and endanger others they're a blessing.

Pod People are a stoom/stoner rock band. I've seen people hardcore dance to them at an outdoor music festival. Being the funny cunts this band are, they said - "hey you people there hardcore dancing! We're a stone band... slooooowwww dowwwwnnnn...". It just showed that sometimes they just want an excuse to flail their arms rather than follow the music. If you headbang out of time it's obvious, if someone hardcore dances out of time, it isn't, so they can do it whenever without feeling like rhythmless dickheads.

THe only thing i'm going to say is... suck it the fuck up. Its a pit. I've been to punk shows in dirty ass warehouses more violent than that. And punk shows are much more about unity than metal shows.

Infact i will go further to say i HATE going to metal shows / any other music shows for the pits, its just fucking stupid. I just end up getting extremely pissed off because the peopel int he pit instead of having "fun" just act like jackasses and INTENTIONALLY hurt people. Eh.. maybe thats what everybody else thinks of as a pit...

but coming from a punk background thats about as far from it as i see it.

Go to an OI show and you'll see what i'm talking about. You afraid of "burly men"? Go fuck with some tall skinny guys with rolled up pants with suspenders and combat boots then come back and tell me what happens haha.

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well all moshing is gay and irritating in my opinion, id much rather everyone stood in one place and headbanged

but if youre going to mosh, dont do windmill bs with your arms


how many times will this topic be discusssed on messageboards? hxc dancing wont stop for a while. its not that most people enjoy it (80% or more at metal shows usually hate it), and its not even that bands encourage it. bands (ive played concerts, i know) are kind of stuck, if you see people moving around and being energetic you cant really lambast them for it unless you want to seem like a total prick

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You can headbang while you mosh.

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or you can not touch each other and keep to yourself

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It's hard of not to touch people when they are crowded together.

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dont be difficult, you know exactly what i meant

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Why not just mosh?

You dont need to prance around like a fucking retarded beavis and butthead wannabe to get into it man.

Sounds like you got rightfully served to me.

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I do enjoy to just headbang sometimes, and it's a lot easier to headbang and not mosh if you're at the front of the stage.


In speaking of this, I can't wait to see 3 Inches of Blood tomorrow!

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I can't believe I'm post to this but I read most of the first page and I'm kinda like, WTF happened to mosh pits? Nothing gets hurt by bumping someone to the ground but maybe the ego of a pit ninga. I go to metal shows and sure as fuck there are pit ninga windmilling their arms and legs like epileptic retards in reckless disregard to anyone's safety. Make contact with one of those throws and it isn't a fagdance anymore. A real fight is initiated and you better be ready to hold your own. To fuck with, "I'm sorry, I was just dancing", because, like BassB said, you were fighting a ghost and maybe that ghost became very real. I accept pit ninga retards as a part of the mordern mosh, but don't cry when the glorous display of calculated teenage angst is violently terminated when mass and veteran mosh pit skills come into play. You are not the only one in the mosh you know and the mosh is about meeting new people!

Don't start a mosh if you can't handle being pushed around, because that is the true nature of the mosh pit. If you don't want mosh than those in will be glad to let you exit.

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It would be awesome if everybody just stood in their designated space and reacted in identical, synchronized ways, wouldn't it Tranny?

I'm surprised (not really) at how few of you are viscerally affected by music.

I always got the feeling that people in pits out to hurt are from punk; most metalheads are feeble pussies who wouldn't want to risk the retaliation. And most of the assholes throwing punches and elbows in a pit are skinheads.

haha, I've met a few people in moshpits. It is usually kinda hard to hear what their name is however.

Soul is right about starting a mosh...and I love starting them!


Oh, and LOL @ teh t3rm "Pit Ninja"

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Moshpits are awesome and exhilarating, and there is an awesome sense of brotherhood. Who hasn't ended up putting both of their arms on the shoulders of random strangers and moshing with them, or doing something else that's touchy feely, but in a non-gay, non-creepy way? There is so much love in the pit, it's great.

Hardcore dancing on the other hand, deprives people of that sweaty, sloppy, moshy love. I don't feel much "lurve" when I'm dodging the punches of some kid who thinks he's a giant building that mills flour, and since buildings don't have eyes, thinks it's alright not to look where he swings his enormous wind-powered blades.

I just want to take something sharp and stand in the middle of a hardcore dancing pit. I wouldn't make a single move, but inevitably 99.9% of the people in that pit would wind up impaling themselves on the sharp thing at some point.

Yeah, who cares, happens every now and then, metal doesn't have the brotherhood feel it used to.

It still has that brotherhood feeling. Maybe not where you are at, but I see it all the time at shows. Sure there are a few diskheads but they seem to keep to them selves until they are drunk and ready enough to charge into the mosh( sometimes in pit ninga fashion ) trying to actully hurt someone. They are ejected from the pit ruined and hurt, into security, and out the show.

Metalheads take care of their own in the mosh. It gets exciting and scary at times but I think the mosh is one of the safest places at a show.

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Hardcore Dancing is fucking gay, Cheese Co you are an ultimate faggot. Dickheads such as you should be shot, I fucking love hearing/reading stories about people who get owned while Hardcore Dancing.

Idiot.

hahaha!!!

i personally hate hardcore dancers aswell, but the way you put it is kinda.......direct,

HAHA

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hardcore dancing is stupid as hell no question about it. the reason people get pissed is because they get hit with those cute little karate kicks. some people go to concerts to listen to music, and hardcore dancing is the rudest most ignorant thing you can do at a show, if you want to jazzercise or tai-bo stay at home and rock it to one of those workout tapes. the bottom line is if youre running around in a crowd of people swinging your fists and feet around prepare to be knocked on your ass by someone youve annoyed. sorry to piss on your parade cheese, but this one's your faux pas, not the meatheads.

No way! That's great!

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Oh dude, Dez is cool. I saw them with In Flames in Feburary and he said "I don't want to see any gay-ass faggot circle pits from anybody." The Zao fans who were left over from their opening set didn't seem to be in a friendly room anymore.

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When i saw DevilDriver, he was like 'I wanna see some motherfuckin' circle pits' and kept doing the gesture for them... they were rubbish, sounded awful.

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I can't stand stupid dumbshits attempting to walk on people either. i first heard of it when i was at a darkest hour show, cause were inbetween songs and they were telling people to cut the shit out. Then i saw it first hand at a cephalic carnage show with black dahlia murder and btbam. These fuckers would run from one side of hte pit to the front where a bunch of people were and would literally attempt to jump up and start walking on people. Just complete and TOTAL disrespect.

I'd stab somebody if they attempted to do some kind of bullshit like that on me.

And nah punk shows don't include this "punching wildly attempting to make contact with peoples face" shit like "metal shows." I just say that kind of loosely though. Sure now and again you have the ONE guy doing it at a punk show and everybody is just like wtf man. Nah i went and saw darkest hour while i was in florida with some Doom metal band, and between the buried and me and i didn't enter the pit the entire show jsut because of how gay the people were. Until hte first song of darkest hour and needless to say i left the pit because that shit was rediculous. Also had a bloody eyebrow too, for 3 minutes of action. And iv'e been in enough pits trust me.

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That's funny. I was complaining about hardcore dancing at a Cryptopsy show, and how it makes it impossible for there to be a real pit when one or two people are just running around, spin-kicking and throwing wild punches and trying to push each other straight out to the walls, in Philly to a friend of mine from there, who grew up with the hardcore and punk scene there, and he says it's been that way for years and years. He's surprised it took so long to get into metal.

i'm the only one that goes to a metal concert, screams "yeah" before the songs, headbangs during the songs and screams "yeah" again when the songs end?

ha i just skimmed through this thread today..but i remember going to hardcore shows in the va/dc/md area where nobody did that shit. just regular mosh pits, people jumping off the stage etc.

yea that shit is annoying. if you are infront of the pit you have to turn around and watch that shit so as to not get nailed without warning. can't even watch the fucking band play.

if you think you are good at hardcore dancing..as in able to do it without hitting people...then i don't think you realize how much people around the edge of the pit do to avoid your flailing limbs.

I don't even like them but they were fucking sweet live.

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haha, you might want to re-think that. how could an unpredictable mosh pit be safer than standing against a wall watching the band. or even... sitting on a chair. yes, we have a back area with chairs at our auditorium, and i enjoy sitting at the tables with beer and cigs, while watching the band. thats how i enjoy concerts. which is why i like when bands play at bars.

i agree, to a certain extent. i really dont mind "moshing" with a group of friends for fun, but i honestly dont care to do it with strangers.

It's so much more self-rewarding when you go crazy instead of sitting there like a bump on a log. I used to be one of those guys, leaning against the wall with my hands in my pockets tapping my foot and nodding my head. It's much more enjoyable when you get a little crazy, it's also rewarding to the band that's playing. Think about it.

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I agree with Zionist.

thats a good point, but i'll leave it to the rest of the crowd, or most of them that is. its just my way of enjoying the show. and since ive gone out back and met most of the bands ive seen, to get autographs, i know they realize that we really like them when we meet and get signatures. i took a picture with Jesper, from In Flames, once, but shitty enough, his hand covered most of my face when he was doing the metal sign . it was my friend to his left, and me to his right.

EDIT: i dont want to give the wrong idea, i also LOVE to stand in the front row and watch each member closely. i was only using the fact that i also like to sit at the tables to emphasize my contradictory feelings on the whole going crazy in a pit thing.

Are pits really that fun when there are a bunch of convulsing idiots throwing their limbs around acting like they can hack someone else's off? It looks like they're trying to escape from a swarm of hornets. Hardcore dancing is gay beyond gay, it is meant to hurt, and it fucking does. Its one thing to catch an accidental elbow to the face in a normal pit while running around letting the band pump your adrenaline, but it is seriously another to get a FOOT TO THE MOUTH while trying to enjoy a band by someone trying to do just that. I don't want to leave a show with an Addidas footprint on my face. I don't understand why people say "it isn't about hurting people" and "its their fault if they run into me". Its like carrying a gun around shooting aimlessly and then explaining to the officer who just tackled me: "Look, I'm not trying to hurt people! If they get in the way of the bullet I fired, which wasn't meant for anyone imparticular, then it is their fault! Not mine you idiot!"

Anyways, I'm not completely sure what you mean by "jocks", but if you just mean bullies - I HATE them. Being a small guy, I get pushed around a lot. But the worst place this has ever happened? Tool shows (well, both times it has been a problem it was at a festival). Its rediculous.

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i think the cheese dude gets our points here.

STOP DANCING LIKE A FUCKING GNOME ON ACID!

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Oh those kind of jocks.....I thought you meant Scottish people

I've recieved a few injuries from the pit, this has been form the usual rough and tumble and thankfully not from some hardcore wazack doin' a cross between Bruce Lee and the ministry of silly walks! I would be well pissed if I did!


Did I read it right a few posts back...someone said Dez was 'cool' no surely not




I would like to point out I have not indulged in any of that 'mosh pit luvin'.... well maybe once but I swear I thought it was a bird, had long hair and everything, plus it was dark.....

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God that was so .. so fucking gay. I think the next time i go to a show and there is like one person doing that shit.. like a punk show.. sometimes they have one dumb shit doing it, then everybody backs out of hte pit.. because its stupid. I'm going to calmly walk up tot hem and punch them square in the face and knock him out.

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My pit injuries - sore neck (from headbanging) and sweat rash (from other people's sweat), carpet burn (from wearing pants with gashes in them and rubbing up against the stage and other people),scratches (people's leather jackets), and bruises and hurt dignity (from hardcore fuckers getting me, from behind!).

I hate two things in the pit - fags who wear spikes into the pit and hardcore dancers.

i thought this was a lot more gay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek1SbzEhJlA

I'm not even bothering reading the rest of this thread. I'm just going to laugh at you because you were hardcore dancing.

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Same here.

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I found both those Hardcore Dancing videos hillarious beyond belief.

Especially the Street dancing one. Holy fucking shit. I mean, they don't have fucking music. . . or if anything, A boom box doesn't cut it, and holy fucking shit, they are idiots.

Laughed my ass off.

Fucking queer kids i saw CoB while they were here with lamb of god, i left before LoG to go meet Alexi, while my friends stayed inside. Next thing i know they come out telling me someone had a kife in the pit and stabbed a few people! Fuck hardcore to fucking hell.

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You know youre HxC when you have a bookbag on.

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LMAO, I noticed that to, and also all were wearing the same camo shorts during the first shot. I bet they all bought them at the same place too.

Perfect comsumers. I can do hardcore music if it pays that much. Thats right, I would sell out. I can keep what I love underground if that is where it belongs.

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That didnt even look like hardcore dancing, more like marry emo-poppins skipping.

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That looked like a Hardcore Dancing training camp video!
Hahahaha! Or did it just look 'camp'

I'd love to see a Jerry Springer show titled 'Stop your hardore dancing, you look like a fag'. If things got real intense they could flay their arms in the general direction of each other

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A tiny change in topic...Hardcore (hardcore trance) Dancing...

The music style and dance style is called Gabber (or Gabba).

My friends do this, I bag them the fuck out. Also in Australia 'lads' (adlays. . . similar to chavs) do this shit at raves... It is so fucking gay.

Prepare to be gayified

Hahaha.

Ridiculous.

TEH KING OF DANCING VIDS*(#^

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuLNSZMolvs

haha looks like some fucked up version of skanking.

you mean the queen of dancing vids?? haha i hope those guys saw this video.

Hahaha! Fucking gold.

Im loving this thread.

Lol I just rewatched this video and I realised that they all have nicknames (credits).
Fucking Ridiculous.


I have come to the conclusion that any music genre with 'hardcore' to describe it has a gay dancing style. Observe:

Hardcore trance (gabber)
Hardcore rock (cavemen/primitive acknowledgement)
Hardcore rap (ridiculous idiocy)

A definite trend.

Whats wrong with all of these idiots? Is metal like.... too scary for them, or too compliated

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and what about Hardcore Punk, you know the stuff that bassically no Metal would exist without?

If you are referring to thrash metal, then yes you are pretty much right. Thrash metal was really the first extreme subgenre, and had a noticeable punk influence. But hardcore punk uhh......well they just didn't do this stupid dancing thing, and that is what our main gripe is with. But alow-tuned "chugga" riff over a simple mid-paced 4/4 beat is not punk, its simion. I don't think Jeff Hanenman could have been such a huge punk fan if they did this dancing crap.

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Actually they did do that dancing thing... they did things called Stomping (slamming your feet on the ground) and Creepy Crawling (jumping around side to side), something that all of you would probably call stupid as well.

And not only that, you clearly havent heard any actual Hardcore. If you actually knew what you were talking about, you would know that only generic and mainstream metalcore bands do what you have just described.

Oh shit My side is hurting now from that.

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Hardcore somehow manages to bend the dimensions of time and space to be even gayer than Metalcore.

shiiit! hahahaha. i cant decide if thats worse than the one i posted. did you notice, the comments on the one you posted are all positive on that first page, but on the one i posted, its pretty much all bad. AT LEAST we know that the people watchiing metal related videos know whats ridiculous. The comments on yours fucking mention DDR and shit! haha. how can they actually say "good "dancing/stepping", as if it requires any skill or talent what-so-ever!

Oh man, at 3 Inches of Blood, there was his skinny dork with plugged ears and a faux hawk, who had a bookbag on who was dancing around like a fucking retard bumping into all the people who weren't in the pit. I stepped out for a couple of songs, and made quick friends with this other dude, who along with myself were very fedup with this goof. Everytime he would come remotely near us, we would launch him into the pit. lol. fucking asshole.

And there was a LOT of people ruining the pit by pushing people! What a bunch of fags...the idea of a mosh pit isn't just to push anyone you can see. And oddly enough..the people making the pit bad were short haired fucks.

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That is just pathetic. Now that is just crossing the line, you have seriously just insulted every thrash band in existance. You are just an idiot. Period.

What the fuck are you talking about?

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He just said Hardcore was gayer than metalcore! Without Hardcore, Thrash wouldnt exist!

it still sucks though

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What the hell? Since when did the term "hardcore" exist in the early 80s?

I remember going to a Winter Solstice concert looking as black metal as possible--black cargo pants tucked in combat boots with a black shirt on. I pushed a couple of people around, used dead weight and fell on some groups, but stopped after NO ONE moshed back.

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Since the early 80's (I'm pretty sure an album came out in 1981 called Hardcore '81). The bands it originally was used to describe all formed in the late 70's, but it's impossible to say that the term 'hardcore' existed in the early 80's since the late 70's.

I definitely take exception to the remark that bands such as the Misfits, the Dead Kennedys, Minor Threat, and Black Flag are gayer than anything even remotely gay.

when the first thrash riff was played, a black hole opened in the fabric of the infinite universe, creating a trans-dimensional portal from which Odin came out and claimed: "that shit is fuckin' gay".

then he left to the sound of Amon Amarth.

I recall hearing references to hardcore in '84 or '85, predominantly from the New York area.

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Oh, man, the irony of a metalhead on the internet invoking Odin to call something gay. Beautiful.

Odin rules. when he and Jesus teamed up to defeat Sauron, it was the best selling Batman comic book ever.

I'm a wooer myself.

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im the guy that yells song titles that arent on the set list

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