yea i know, i get bashed all the time on here for promoting christian metal ( sorry about earlier threads a year ago, ive matured alot... lol), but this band is great whether you are of my faith or any other, the band is called
"Believer". I recently picked up an album of theirs named dimensions ( the reissue) and it is some of the best tech metal ive ever heard ( in the secular or christian scene)! Very symphonic, proggy thrash... definitely an aquired taste!
Anyway i know most of you wont care but here is their myspace anyway ( check out no apology or dies irae day of wrath,the end of the dimensions album is genius):

http://www.myspace.com/believermusic

Comment if you liked or disliked them ( so much flak awaits me, but at least this time i posted in bands!

Ok, I'm not here to flame you or anything, but I have a question. Seperating "Christian Metal" or "cristian music" from regular music is kinda silly to me. I mean, if the lyrics are the only "christian" parts of it, is that really enough to make it a completely seperate genre? I think christian music of any kind alienates itself from a lot of people cause they think it is gonna be too preachy or some shit. Its fine to have christian lyrics but when you use it as an advertisement..........meh

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Believer is an exceptionally good band.

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yup

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Nope

Religion is a joke. I wouldn't seperate any types of music depending on the lyrics.

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i didnt mean it like that, metal is metal,just a different message

their myspace picture looks ridiculous, especially the dude, 3rd to the left. also, under influnces, it says "JESUS CHRIST!" i lol'd.

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hey in the band im in hes an influence, faith is a strong influence in music, look at black metal, many are either practicing wiccans or satanists and it shows in their music

thats all for show man, its a gay fad.

i wouldn't call it as much a "fad" as it is a publicity stunt to get endorsed by "faith n metal" records company outa imbredfuckland, kansas.

people who judge music based on the musician's faith need to question why they listen to music in the first place.

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Yeah I don't think that many of the more recent black metal bands truly believe in satan or satanic ideals. If they did, they would realize how unsatanic putting makeup on each other is.

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At the head of the table
Bassist of light
Here I am, I'm your man
I will kill you if I must
I will hurt you if I can

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Trouble were I guess a 'Christian' band. Didn't stop them making some mighty fine albums!

I like the really bad 80's Metalblade style production on the Believer tunes

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hmmm, ouch lol im offended by poorly written lyrics, come on go beyond the rhyme, sounds like a rap song lol, im not on here to please you, im merely sharing my opinion, so take it or leave me be!

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i dont judge music on faith, but some lyrics i pay attention to, i mean ill listen to death or even suffocation, but that doesnt mean as a christian that ill listen to immolation or burzum! I still have to be picky about what i am letting influence me.

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i dont see your point. by purchasing or listening to a particular group doesn't mean you agree with the message, it just means you like the sound. my step-dad is jewish for fuck's sake, and NSBM happens to be one of my favorite types of music ever.

don't let your religion deny your ears of pleasure.

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pleasure is giving into temptation in that situation, i know what music sounds good, but if i don't agree with the message they are sending out as a group, im not going to listen to it flat out, and if thats fanatical than call me a fanatic. I still listen to many secular bands, but im not going to listen to blatantly satanic or gore obsessed stuff just because the band can play well! Unless its cephalic carnage ( lol), and besides i dont consider myself religious. A true christian considers himself humble and faithful not overzealous and full of pride. Im merely showing people that they should still listen to the music, but if the lyrics are downright wrong or if they offend you, then its your option whether or not to listen to something that may change who you are as a person. Down to the old principle, if good comes in good comes out if bad comes in bad comes out. I want more good to come out of me than bad!

( wow that was a long post, phew!)

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"In truth there was only one true Christian, and he died on the Cross." -Nietzsche

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errr wrong nietzsche was smart but merely confused himself in his incoherrent babblings and fear of truth! just like darwin and many other men who refused to believe what they knew was true, but wanted to convince others into thinking they were right for their own pride and false security.

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i vote to ban this guy. what a stupid cunt. i bet you don't even know what evolution means, becasue if you did, it would be impossible to refute it. pardon the ad hominem, but you really are a stupid cunt.

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lol I'm christian but i think evolution is how it happened

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See, I wish more Christians were like this. I don't have a problem with that, but I mean.... It tprobably takes around 7 days to make a fucking guitar, much less a whole planet that is ready for life.

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Regardless of their belief system, they are a great tech-thrash band.
Same goes with bands like Kekal - they're Christian Indonesians but that doesn't stop me from liking their symphonic progressive black.

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that doesnt make sense how can you believe in the christ yet not accept that his father made you, when he made Him!!!

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ive thoroughly studied many different ideas on the beginning of life and for me i would rather have faith in something that doesnt make perfect sense to many people than faith in a one in a billion chance! I would rather feel as if i were created and worth something rather than a chance, an accident.

And at least im not the one identifying people as female body parts how is that an insult? go read a dictionary and learn a good insult if you have to run me down you invalid! And obviously you dont know what youre talking about because with a name like moe blunts, you must have had a few before you hopped on metaltabs anyway!!!!

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yes kekal is very good, i really like the avant garde songwriting, and their new album is very cool!

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I believe in God but I think that Humans evolved from primapes not that we just popped into exisitence

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satan believes in God that doesnt make him a Christian, are you saying that christ must have evolved as well?

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- to your poorly phrased question.

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you know i think i laugh everytime i see someone capitalize the pronoun him


for some reason that really hits my funny bone


so silly

He! Him!

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Jesus was born.....

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At least he didn't capitalize all the letters

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lol, just end this thread ill keep my opinions and we all can just get along, i have no problems with any of your ideas about faith, everyone is entitled to have their view. Whether you are like me or not at least keep it metal!!!!

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Shut the fuck up you brainwashed, mindless piece of shit.

I've had enough of cunts like you on the street, preaching tolerance yet being close-minded.


You make me sick. Your religion is flawed and contradictory.

What the fuck dude, look at the post above you. He just made a peace offering and said we should leave each others opinions alone and get along. And being close minded is assuming that bassist of light is like all of the christians who try to exploit the religion. Betcha didn't think of that.

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So fucking what.

The only reason he 'made peace' was because he couldn't win.

A very large amount of Christians tend to force their opinions onto you. The percentage gets higher when you look only at Christians that go to church every sunday. One thing I am happy about though, is the fact that I don't live in America.

I don't go to church every sunday....I play soccer

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i aint forcing anything on you, just sharing my opinion. accept the fact that i believe what i believe and you believe what you believe and get over yourself! Im NOT trying to win anything. This is just what i have found as the only faith where i felt, " hey this is real, its not just people trying to live good lives, its people living a different life completely, a life where i saw joy and faith"

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Same here, i mean i go to church i would say 80% of the time, but its not like christians are just brainwashed zombies ( geesh stupid idiotic assumption, how am i brainwashed if i chose this path?!), we still are just normal people , just with a different set of values and a different perception of life. whatever, call me what you will, im not the brainwashed one i chose this life, i chose truth.

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Look who is contradictory, the man who believes in nothing, or the man who has found something and sticks to his guns on that one idea. How can i be contradictory if i believe that only one thing is right? Anyway i already said end this thread, its interesting to see some different views but too many threats from problem are driving me nuts. And im not closed minded, I already said above that i accept others peoples views, but that doesnt mean im going to live like them just because they live that way, thats totally hypocritical and then life just becomes a show, constantly picking up new views and then trying to mesh them alltogether, and make one view. i used to live that way. But this path is far better for me and far simpler for me. Simply accepting the truth is a whole lot simpler than rejecting every bit of biblical teaching you hear. And once i accepted the truth i knew it was real, with christ inside me i didn't have to second guess, i felt the assurance and peace, i knew what was true.... thats my life from now until forever, live yours the way you feel is right, but don't judge my life just because its different than yours

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Well, I'm pretty peachy about the fact you don't live in America either, but my point was that it is hypocritical looking down on him for being a christian. Just as hypocriticial it is for him to look down on you as a non-christian (atheist I assume).

And uhh...
You haven't even met him and you accuse him of being a cunt and close-minded. Thats a bit

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very good dude thank you, logic is a very helpful tool, lol. And i dont look down on problem at all, we are all equal, it says that in the word, and anyone who fails to realize that we are all equal is idiotic.

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What about the Christian hierarchy?

Just for the record I am an athesit too. But I don't really have any problems with Christians as long as they realize they have a very small chance of trying to convert a non-christian who lives in an industralized country. Since there are over 2 billion christians out there, and the vast majority of Americans are Christian, its either learn to get along or .

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yea, i mean learning to get along is alot of life, but hey i still am going to tell someone the good news if they want to know, or if they want to know where im coming from.

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thats catholics, real christians dont put anybody on a pedastal, thats just mumbo jumbo crap you hear on tbn. They dont know what they are talking about, in biblical christianity everyone including non believers are equal.

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That's ridiculous. Catholicism is a Christian denomination. There is a Christian hierarchy aswell.

Catholicism is really the only one i can think of that has a real heriarchy.

Pope
cardinal
arch bishop
bishop
priest
nun
followers

The greek orthodox church may be similar in some ways as well.

The only way you could argue that other deominations have a heirarchial system is the preacher who is front of the congregation giving the sermon
But that is more like a teacher/student relationship.

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then tell me what the christian hiearchy is ( cause everybody i know has never heard of one except you know God is number 1 we are number 2 lol)!, plus catholicism is a denomination of christianity, but there are alot of added doctrines and made up modifications to the word in their book. Like first of all there is no purgatory thats just a concoction made by catholics for people to pay extra money to the church rather than use it on something useful, like a real bible lol. Im not saying that catholics are totally twisted, but there are a lot of twisted views in the religion ( like not having to repent to God, but to a priest!, what is that?). All i can say is that real biblical christians, dont put themselves into denominations, they are just christians.

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Yea exactly, every church i have gone to has never had a hiearchy, i mean there is pastors, but they are just there to clarify things, thats about it. My pastor doesnt even like being called pastor, he just prefers being called Jim.

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Well, I just checked wikipedia, and this is a quote from the Christianity article :


"A church hierarchy seems to have developed by the time of the Pastoral Epistles (1 Tim 3, Titus 1) and was certainly formalized by the 4th century."


So mate, I'm pretty sure there's a hierarchy in your religion.

The other denominations have hierarchy aswell (Baptist, Anglican), meh, meh, meh.

Religion is absurd anyway.

Before the early part of the 16th century, the only form of christianity that existed was Roman Catholicism. So it makes sense that the quote you used mentioned a heriarchial system in the 4th century, becuase it had to have been Catholicism. Strangley enough, I have met people so ignorant they think that catholicism is not a form of christianity, when it was the original branch of it, and is still the form of christianity with the most followers.

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wow, mainly the hiearchy back then had dissapated by the 1800s, The only denomonations to keep hiearchies are methodist and catholics, as i said before biblical christianity contains no hiearchy, you got your information from an article, not the bible itsself.

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Yea, but most catholics just call themselves catholics, I have met some serious catholic believers though. I definitely do not believe in you know all the hail mary crap and purgatory. Repentance is the way you are forgiven. Praying to a dead lady wont do anything!

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I recently started listening to all I can get of this band. I don't know why, but they are addictive.

man how many gay people in this thread?

oh, yeah one more because of me, original.

this band is cool, talk about the band and stop being gay.

i didnt think id like the band due to the name but they arent to bad