2006-09-02, 06:59
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Fretted notes
Greetings forever loyal dear metalheads!
Something that I realized in guitar, that is a great help, which most string instruments do not have, is that guitars necks are fretted and dotted, which makes guitar playing much easier. One of the difficult parts I had to learn in playing violin was the correct placement of the fingers along the neck; since there is no dotted frets you have to memorize the note placements. At the begaining I kept having intonation problems; but with practice my fingers hit the right places. The thing I am pondering is why don't they do the same thing as they did in guitar in all string instruments. It would make violin much easier if there was dotted frets.
/*Out of topic, but I can't help but say it; if I don't I feel like I would explode. It is so despairing when you put so much effort in playing the composed song you did and than one person tries to put you down and discourage you by telling you that he doubts you played the song! I didn’t sacrifice all my time practicing playing the song for someone to come and tell me he doubts I played the song. I would respect if he despises it; but it is so cruel to come and say a lie like that so he may hurt you and try to make you fail.
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2006-09-02, 13:41
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I'd guess it's mainly down to the technology back in ye olde days combined with the traditions/stubborness to create new instruments. A violin wouldn't be a violin if it had frets as it wasn't designed this way, and bnow it would prove no advantage to the instrument. Also keeping in mind trying to put frets and dots onto a little shitty foot long neck thats barely two inches wide back in the 'century when violins where popular' (forgive my ignorance:P) Like evolution, other instruments that do benefit from this, adopt it, keep it, then exploit and improve on it's advantages.
Take the original story in which Malmsteen claims to have noticed scalloped frets based on those of a lute or some other naff stringed effort, then how he applied it to a glorious axe.
Also I think it's partly down to the connotations of the instruments; violins are seen as sophisticated instruments capable of expressing far greater emotion than most others, so it's obvious why a violinist wouldn't want his instrument to be covered in shite like stickers. Also on that note it's again tradition, I'd assume, that poshies wouldn't appreciate seeing a modern looking violin if it looked out of place. Much like the reason why violinists rarely are seen in clothing that isn't 'formal'
On the other hand.... Guitar has been pretty much removed (IMO) from the musical world in the eyes of many -non guitar playing- musicians, so who gives a fuck if the instrument looks unsophisticated or as if it is to aid beginners. The frets on it however create a definitive point where the note originates from; without this on violins etc, you can be more ambiguous about the notes played etc... in theory. But I have a whammy bar which would make vivaldi turn in his grave
Unfortunately, maybe due to this very small detail of frets, it does seem that whilst vilinists play notes, the majority of guitarists are stuck playing merely fret numbers. I'm sure that mnakes sense but can be rephrased....
Obviously these arn't the only reasons, infact they are probably very miniscule details, but I'm sure it adds to the mix
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2006-09-02, 13:56
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Yea those points make quite a lot of sense; anyway after thinking about it, it wouldn't be practical putting dotted frets on a violin small neck. That yngwie fact is quite interesting, I never knew that.
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2006-09-02, 21:30
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Originally Posted by Schizoid
Yea those points make quite a lot of sense; anyway after thinking about it, it wouldn't be practical putting dotted frets on a violin small neck. That yngwie fact is quite interesting, I never knew that.
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Im sure it would have something to do with the sound or tone of the violin if you had metal frets on it. Just like a fretless bass sounds totally different then a fretted bass. I wouldnt doubt that its been done before. Do a google search for fretted violin or something.
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2006-09-02, 22:44
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2006-09-02, 23:02
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2006-09-03, 13:22
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Whoa! That is sweet, the first one looks so diabolical! A seven string violin, that is not a violin anymore! I have to play one of those. Anybody who is a guitar player can also play violin very easily except for the correct note pitches on the neck. That is why I should of got a fiddle fretter when first starting violin.
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2006-09-03, 13:35
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Awesome! I want one... no idea what I'd attempt to play on it, but I still want one...
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2006-09-03, 13:41
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i think those freted electic violing would be col to make some intros and outros, i just dnop how frikkign hard it is to learn to play a violin, ive bene thinking about it before, cuz i like the emotional way they can sound
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