I wanted to make some considerations about's Azagthot style especially in the solos because i want to make some solos like him .

those are mine considerations:

he makes a lot of dive bombs and whammy bar stuff (if any one haves a tab with them please post it)
he likes to use the hightest range of guitar for a ultra-terren sound
he uses a lot of tapping and legato.

as you see i need some help

There's no point, or even way, to sound exactly like Trey. He's one of the only players I know who are instantly recognizable, perfect for the band they're in, and impossible to copy. I don't even bother tabbing out his solos, it's pointless.

Go search for some interviews with Trey on Google, there are a few articles with him where he explains why he plays like this. Then you'll see it has nothing to do with 'how' but 'what' - it's all a feeling thing.

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sycophant saids:
Go search for some interviews with Trey on Google, there are a few articles with him where he explains why he plays like this. Then you'll see it has nothing to do with 'how' but 'what' - it's all a feeling thing.

i don't have found this interviews can you post it?

Vahmpy over at Morbidboards.com is a true wiz and knows a lot of Trey's lavas fairly accurately.

Getting his solos down 100% is impossible, but you can get convincing sounds. Other stuff he does is legato on the G string whilst fiddling with the whammy, tapping between pickups while divebombing, tapping strings ON the bridge pickup whilst whammying, some relatively simple multifingered tapping(those spacey chords like on Hymn to a Gas Giant), lots of mixlodian, occasional harmonic minor, some blues/pentatonic(very rare) and semi-atonal runs.

I've come up with some very very FFtF-sounding groovy tapping licks that involve a lot of legato, not sure what scale it's in though, I kind of do what might be a little harmonic minor legato on the high e string whilst tapping something else outside of that scale and I get that kind of sound. His runs/picking techniques are pretty advanced though, he barely moves his right hand even on the old super-fast chaotic solos...

His commitment to the Ancient Ones also helps.

The solos on LOST SOUL's "Chaostream" album are sometimes very reminiscent of Trey.

Some effects he uses: MXR Phase 90, Eventide Harmonizer(only on like 2 songs), compressor(only on Domination solos and some Covenant solos), lots of wah, UniVibe chorus, Boss Flanger(for those helicopter-like rythms) and almost always reverb.

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I saw Trey at Wacken on Saturday, and I was right in front of him, and he blew me away. I fucking love that guy, he is just fucking insane. Only he can make random shit like that sound so good.

And dude, go find your own sound.

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nobody can warp and defy time signatures like trey. don't waste your time!

I remember reading somewhere that on some of his solos Trey would tap while keeping his forearm on the whammy bar to depress it to make some sick soundd. Ive tried it out and kinda gives me that weird spacey solo vibe that Trey has.

Sounds interesting... Any recomendations? I havn't listened to Morbid ANgel for about five years or so now, and back then I didn't appreciate guitar like I do now

I fucking hate his solos. A lot of old school death bands (CC do this too) just do random shit with there whammy bar and call it a solo. I love Morbid Angel but Treys solos are still shit.

That's because you're a dumbass. Even the old Altars solos are way better than 95% of all random oldschool death and thrash fretwankery.

The solos on Domination, Covenant, FFtF, Gateways, and Heretic are billions of times more expressive and technical than most DM shredders work out there(I dare say all, because most will just pick a phyrgian or egyptian or other exotic scale and masturbate all over it. Not bashing Nile though.) Listen to some FFtF or Domination solos and you'll realize that Trey's skill is not limited to whammy and wah noise.

I have some rehearsal video from 1990, Thorns, He does exactly what you just mentioned. It was some weird psychodelic shit but I don't think I've heard that kind of thing other than in live MA solos from like the late 80's and shit. Sounded like horror movie type shit. Trey's soloing is much more melodic and clean now but still equally -if not more- chaotic than his early leadwork. He does know some theory nowadays but he applies in his own unique way. Lots of mixlodian and semi-melodic shit going on in his live playing nowadays(he's been taking a lot of liberties in some of the solos, I'm sure you noticed if you've seen them recently).

Oh yeah, if you want some inspiration, just do a lot of LSD and read up on Mesopotamian mythology if you want to play like Trey.

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Hah, from the previous descriptions -and what I remember of morbid angel - this is the kind of 'solo' i was expecting:P

I can't be arsed to listen through morbid angel songs, but will check out any of the guitar work etc if I can

I think trey's solos are good for the context.
trey 's solos are the resume of the entire song.

Gateways to Annihilation

The solos on that cd are godly...God of the Forsaken!

Soeru, notice how the albums you mentioned were the albums where Trey does actual solos (for the most part) as opposed to the whammy bar "fretwankery" (the perfect word to describe his solos) that he does on the first 2 (well 3) albums. And even the later stuff is still whammy shit but he atleast he does some actual runs and scales. Atleast his solos are better than Cannibal Corpses though. What a load of shit there solos are.

don't hate.

edit: removed lame insult.

I guess Karl Sanders isn't much of a better guitarist right Nephren?

Covenant had genuine solos. Altars had some decent ones. The ones on Abominations and Blessed were shit, but Richard Brunelle did 90% of the solos on those 2.

Just because it's not melodic sweeping or diminished masturbation doesn't mean it's not a good solo, I personally like harmonic whammy shit if done intelligently(ie: unlike most Slayer and CC solos). Some of the noisy bar stuff isn't really supposed to be a solo, it's just adding imagination to the weird sounds you get with a whammy bar.

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Same here,kinda, I like to hear whammy bar sounds, whether they are harmonic or choatic, in a song. I dont consider just pulling up and down on the whammy bar to be a solo, I mean I could do that any time. Treys solos are definitely not conisisted of just whammy randomness, they have many things like tapping and speed runs. Plus, to me, I love that spacey, out-there type sounds of his solos. It was awesome seeing Trey play live on that MA/Behemoth/Krisiun tour a while back.
I'm suprised by the fact that Trey only knows some theory, I expected him to know ALOT of it. That gives me hope that I can actually write a decent solo with my extremely limited knowledge of music theory...

Very interesting post, I never thought of that, combining tapping with tremelo bar. It must take good control & timing I guess. Useful posts here

Except for the song Fall From Grace, great solos on that song... And that whammy thing sounds like it could be cool...

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I like Abomination solos...
Trey isn't the first who combine whammy+tapping listen Batten's "whammy damage" great song

Who the hell is Batten?

Jennifer Batten.
Basically a guitar goddess who can 8-finger-tap anybody to oblivion.
She makes it look so damn easy it's sick.

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The Fall from Grace solo is nifty, so is the Rebel Lands leads(that one was a bit more melodic). Brunelle left Morbid because he couldn't keep up with their evolution, every album was different and Brunelle was more of a consistent guy so he parted on good terms.

Woo, a girl shredder that isn't Lita Ford? How is the music(not just the solos)?

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Oh yeah btw I could never get that whammy-tapping thing to sound good, getting cool sounds out of it definately requires a lot of time and creativity, but hell it might be worth experimenting with that!

I've gotten down some of those multi-finger tapping things like on Invocation to a Continual One, Hymn to a Gas Giant, Abysseous and Summoning Redemption. With my trusty MXR EVH Phase 90 and Boss DD-3, the result is most convincing!

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Holy crap! 8 finger taps!!! Damn, if I'm lucky I can sound decent doing 2 finger taps.

well I dont know trey's stuff that well but if you want a choatic sound, play lots of arppegios (picked) and add in dissonant notes and then moves these patterns up the fretboard while changing them slightly every time so you eventually get something completely different.

Also use the wholetone scale \m/

Lots of imagination + very fast fingers. That's the only thing he probably uses. He's been very fast since the late 80's(I have some rehearsal video from '90 were he's doing some really weird long runs ridiculously fast and clean without barely moving his hand), and he's a very nutty person so unless you do a lot of LSD for 10 years or suffer from some kind of dementia you probably won't play anything as amazing as he does, but hell you can try.

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From the Morbid Angel section of my forum (link in sig) i found this. The Images probably wont work here of course but you get the idea...



"For rack mount effects I use the Eventide ultra harmonizer
H3000S and the quadroverb. These two effects are working brilliant
together for me. I use the effects loop from the heads so that they
sound the best and the order is quadroverb into eventide back to head.
The Eventide is a much superior unit and its stereo imaging is
phenominal so i put it last in the chain. For floor effects I use the
guitar plugging in to a boss flanger, MXR phaser, ibanez analogue
delay, uni vibe chorusing effect, and then the cord goes to the rat
then eq then Y cord then imputs on amp... This order works great for
me!
[...]
I use Marshall 100 watt tops, with built in effects loops, on
top of basic 4 x 12 marshall cabs. for my basic sound I plug the guitar
into the rat distortion box and then into an equalizer which I keep
flat and only use the level knob which is on 10. As for my guitars I
like guitars that are built out of Mahogany, my Hamer flying V is this
way. And I use PAF pro pick ups and Ibanez edge tremolo bars. This is
what I get to use the basic rythm sound except that I also use the 7
string guitar by Ibanez. Which is tuned to A#."


From around the time of the formulas album release.

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http://guitargeek.com/gear/img/alesis_quadraverb_gt.gif
http://www.chamberlainmusic.com/ima...ducts1/BF-3.gif
http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dba.../1/2/367912.jpg
http://filters.muziq.be/files/pics/ibanez_ad-80_001.jpg
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http://www.highlystrung.co.uk/acatalog/rat-2.jpg
http://www.aampselectricguitarstore...io_paf_pro1.jpg



Pics of his guitars and amps coming soon....

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Thanx for the info, i looked her up on the net, she used to play guitar together with jeff beck & also michael jackson. Saw her on you tube playing the flight of the bee very cool. She looks nice too.

People, firstable, imo its very stupid to even have a desire to get someone's tone or whatever, but nevermind...here in Serbia, on August 16th Morbid Angel played show, their first in our country ever. I was enough consistent and able to wait Morbid crew after the show although i've been told that they are bunch of egomaniacs and they will not give any autogram. Anyway, i had a luck to speak with Trey some time, of course as a fan...i asked him if he knows some theory and he answered that he knows some of it, some basics...like pentatonic...but that's all and that the theory and technique is just a tool and not the purpose, and i second that.

I dont know for u guys, i like Trey's solos very much, but it's a fact that he's solos are atonal, very very atonal...someone said here that if u want to break the rules (actually to play "chaotic atonal solos") u have to know the theory...imo that's not the truth...Chuck didn't know the Theory, Trey as u saw also...

Imo the most important thing in someone's playing is EAR. U can do all by ear, well nearly all...Talent, exercising,...that's the drive-by station.


Cheers

http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...jennifer+batten

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck'

Wait till after that lil shred at the start and she cranks flight of the bumblebee

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If you want more info on trey's equipment including pics and shit like that... click the metal media link in my sig, scroll down to Death Metal, then Click Morbid Angel. All the info you could ever want. Enjoy. (im too lazy to repost all the pics and shit here)

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yeah pretty good