Hey, I dont know if this topic has been brought up yet but I want to spread the word about Moser Custom shop. The head luthier is Neal Moser who worked for BC Rich in the handmade department from 77-85. He does amazing work and some amazing designs. He is the designer of the Bich and Virgin. I am on the custom list and he has so many more designs than on the webpage mosercutomshop.com . He also has the forums mcs.acidpit.org . Just wanted some people to check him out.

his designs are worse than bc rich's, and thats saying something.
theyre too over the top, and thats not a compliment

moser guitars look shite

BC Rich and Moser are good example of what you should NOT do to guitars.
Take the focus away from how they play to how they look.

You hear metal, you dont see it

i think all of us here have seen or heard about neil moser.

i think he overdoes most of his guitars (if not all).
but hey each has his/her own taste

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most of them look like shit. but the strat style one looks well built...even if it is a generic body style.

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Generic body shapes (LP, Strat) are boring. Those are fucking brutal looking guitars. You may not like them, but they are the best playing guitars and you dont have to get one of the insane shapes. These are top notch guitars, the best of the best.

anyone like zachary guitars?? i think that guy is a genious, i deeply respect him, although lots of peeple dont seem to like him

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did you even read what i said? i said the strat style is generic. but it looks well built.

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Yeah I read what you said. So are you a V, explorer type person?

nope....actually, despite the fact that i hate the look of the strat style guitar, its all i'm comfortable playing...i can do an SG shape too...but not much else...

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Almost as bad as the handle in the body of those yamaha guitars :P

heh thats the ugliest thing ever

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haha...i hate those yamahas...not only is it ugly. but shouldn't yamaha realize when you cut a huge fucking hole in the guitar it makes it sound like shit.

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I like B.C. Rich. But I don't like Moser. The only two guitar in Moser I liked was the Bastard V and the one desinged by Brain Hoffman of Deicide. That Beast looks rad. Although if it were up to me I would have put a black Kahler insted of a silver one on it.


But as far as taking away from how to play the guitar to how it looks I don't agree with. I mean I lot of people would choose a Les Paul body shape over a SG. Both sound bassically the same but both feel different.So you can say that about any guitar company. I'm not too picky however. Like I love the Warlock, Beast and Ironbird shapes just as much as the Mockingbird or the Bich. But I'm more of an Ibanez and Jackson man myself.

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i'll take an ESP, even an LTD, over a jackson, and a jackson over an ibanez anyday...weight is another factor for me...

two things are important when shopping for a guitar...
A) Tone
B) Comfort

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Mmmmmmmmm.... not really. Both are very different sounding guitars

i like those... alot. theres a few that are wayy overdone though... but theres a few that i really like too.

the V with the flame edge thing is gay as hell.
but the one without it looks awesome

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If you want to see some cool customs check out kxkguitars.com. Karl Sanders Warrior V is fucking incredible.

how about his double warrior V? 11 string or something with a 6 string

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KXK are CnC made and not as high quality as MCS

yeah there pretty sick as well..

but i like these better

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I would think nearly everyone here has heard of mcs, didnt they just settle a law suit with BCR?

Don't they now have to modify a few designs to amke them more different to the bcr ones?

Why is a CNC guitar less well amde than a handmade one? Warmoth and PRS are highly rated and both use cnc for manufacture, granted Warmoth are a parts maker and not a complete guitar seller.

Have you played akxk out of curiosity and compared it to amoser?

Ozz

No, I have not, but CnC made usually isnt as high quality as handmade. Plus, use your head, look at the Mosers made and then look ay KxK. Moser>all

I own a kxk and it's freakin awesome

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Hahah, this is laughable. You're actually going to claim that a machine, which works within tolerances imperceptible to humans, makes an inferior product than an imperfect human hand? Think about it for a second. Sure, handmade guitars carry a significantly heavier price tag, but thats because they take much longer to make and people need to make a living.

But, you pretty much stepped on your own foot by claiming that Mosers > KxK based soley on appearance so im just wasting my time.

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do you like work for moser or something?
if not, i bet you havent even played a moser and that your some 13 year old kid who likes the look of them and is trying to justify why theyre so "great". to do that your recycling shit that youve heard about their guitars.

its so obvious, psych 101



really? what type/model did you get?
please post pics, i would really like to see it. i hear kxk own. they certainly are visually appealing!



thats exactly the point i was going to make, that proves that this guy doesnt know what hes talking about and is just recycling shit that hes heard about moser.

I actually have one on order. if you dont believe me mcs.acidpit.org has an announcment section, go there, and there is a custom handmade order list. My name, Cameron Burke, yup, on the list. I also played a BVi, although I dont own one. Yes, I know it is a quick desision to make and quite rash of me to say they are better than KxK without ever even playing. Hell, I'd love a warrior V. But based on opinions I have heard from other MCS players they are nice guitars, but the two dont compare.

On the handmade topic. True, a machine does everthing to an exact degree. In theory the Machine made is superior, but in real life, not so much. Machine jobs are usually assembly line, meaning time is an issue. They usually become rush jobs. Machines dont get to pay as much attention to detail. Hand mades get to go into more specifics, therefore more customization options and in the end, a better quality guitar. I actally still dont know anyone other than MCS who builds a Trem guitar right. You need to have the proper neck angle to get the best action possible. Neal is famous for his guitar setups, they are unmatched. That is why it is rumored his handmades are the best playing guitars. Well, one day, I'll try a KxK and compare it to MCS. But hey, I might be biased because I'm about to pay 3000$ on a guitar, and it better be the best!


-Cameron


EDIT: Dont you be so fucking quick to assume. Thinking I'm recycling shit is fucking stupid. Get a life dude, go play guitar or something...

Well your comment on machine made vs. handmade is based on the assumption that a guitar that is made with a CnC is NEVER touched by human hands. Most of the time this isnt true. I agree with your comment regarding attention to detail but that dosent mean that the same amount of attention cant be payed to a body routed with a CnC. I just get frustrated when people make a big investment in an instrument and then feel they need to justify their purchase by proclaiming it to be superior to all others.

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I agree with this point. And thats not to say also that a CnC guitar cant rock your ass and that a handmade guitar wont sound like shit.

Oh and yeah, its not like I have something against KxK or anything, I bet they're kickass guitars. The Double neck looks extremely well built. I really want to know where he got that perfect case for it.

Fair enough, so care to give some specs on this custom of yours?

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Its not written in stone yet, But it will most likely be my own design, the Shuriken. It is based on a stealth. Here are some general Ideas of what it might be:
7 String
25.5 scale lenght
String Thru
Neck Thru
Black Limba Body and neck
Ebony Fretboard
6105 Frets
Dimarzio X2N 7 sting pickup
not sure about neck pickup yet
Trans Blue finish
Natural taped off body binding

Something like that sounds pretty cool. I still have a year to decide though...

there are so many things wrong with what you just said!
how the hell can you say one make is better than the other without trying them both?! surely you cannot base it just on other peoples opinions. thats the most unreliable thing to base such a statement on seeing as peoples opinions differ, peoples opinions are influenced by the fact that they spent shit loads on a custom guitar and therefore have a bias towards that particular make. its also unreliable because you dont know about their experience with the guitars. they may be lying about trying out both brands, or they may happen to have tryed out a poorly set up guitar.



what a great generalisation . i would agree with that statement if we were talking about mid price stock guitars. but we're not. we're talking about custom guitars. if a custom shop uses CNC, it would be carefuly examined and would have a lot of time spent on it as its a CUSTOM ONE OFF guitar and would have to meet the degree of quality expected from the customer (who is paying a lot of money) and would also have to fit build up properly, which is important as its a one of a kind different guitar. custom shops heavy rely on reputation therefore if they use CNC, they will not fuck about with quality and attention to detail.
btw, no custom shop is TOTALLY CNC! they may use it for some elements such as the body, the neck, the routing etc. but when it comes to other shit such as carving, inlaying etc, its hand done. i personally prefere that, you get the machine accuracy for the things that need it, but you also get the human touch for the other stuff that require it. its the best of both worlds. i wouldnt feel too happy with a totally handcrafted guitar as the human hand isnt as accurate as a machine and would more likely to have "issues". but thats just me and my opinion.



your an idiot. cnc doesnt limit the amount of customisations and options available to the end user.


thats no secret. bc rich and esp heavily incorporate that shit. im not sure about other makes. but mcs isnt the only one to do that


might? you god damn are! you must be an idiot, i can tell when im being biased, you cant you?

Ooo, if your doin a Limba body I would just do a clear finish! I think that would look way better. Everything else sounds top notch though.

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You can think what you want to think. My opinion isnt debatable by you mainly because you called me an idiot in about ever sentance. Therefore your arguments became invalid to me. Yes I know it was based on generalizations. And the one who said MCS was better was David Larson, owner of SS ST #1 and the guitar he tried was handed to him by the owner of KxK at NAMM. He didnt say KxK sucked or anything and niether did I. He simply said, well built, but not as good as MCS. He also talked about his experience with the owner, who was the one who told him they were CnC made. The guy got angered and offended at the question and said,"If the guitar is made well, who cares?" and left. That is one argueable point he made and it may be true. I like to think handmade guitars are of better quality. No changing my opinion on that, sorry.

http://www.warmoth.com/showcase/sc_guitar_bodies.cfm?type=guitar&start=1&itemNumber=VIPP69&menuItem=14&subMenuItem=0&subMenuItem2=0&bodyWood_filter=30,7,8,75
I want it to be like the back of this guitar.

I own a Moser EBi, used to be called the Evil Bitch, but due to the BCR lawsuit they had to change the name to the Siren. I had Neal install a Kahler and do his "Pro" setup on it and out of the box it played better than my other guitars that were setup locally by the "best guitar tech" in the area. That isn't saying much in and of itself as I am skeptical about the techs here in San Antonio.

My Moser plays better than most of the production guitars in the stores in my area, including HHI custom BC Rich's, US Jackson production guitars, and new Gibsons and Fenders. The design does have a few flaws to it though. It is slightly neck heavy, which was cured with a wide strap, and the Fender style input jack on the back of the guitar on the lower leg of the body has a tendency to bump into my knee every so often which doesn't feel to swift.

I have not played one of the hand built customs, but the import line does play head and shoulders above new guitars both US made and import that are within the same price bracket.

Hmmm I stand corrected, that looks sweet!

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Yeah I've seen you on the moser forum. I am Cameron(aka Beefcakes)

I have the nile one. Only in black with blood on the headstock

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what about the Ibanez Jem monkey grip?

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