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Old 2006-06-26, 06:45
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I could really use some help.

I want vocals like Job For a Cowboy, the sweet highs, the brutal lows, and the sweet pig vox.

My problem is, i cant do it.

My lows : All my lows come from my throat, and it hurts like crazy. I know that if i hurts, im not doing it right. If i just yell it and try to get distortion that way, it comes out like Panteras type stuff. How do i do it?

My highs : I was told that people have a voice crossover from lows to highs, when i try to scream, my voice stays in the lower cords so it sounds terrible, how do i fix this?

The pig vox : i can do the inwards, but he does outwards. How?


Thanks for any help you give me. God knows i need it.

xXx
 
Old 2006-06-26, 07:24
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Do it like this

BREEE BREEE BREEE BREEE
 
Old 2006-06-26, 15:41
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Sometimes to get those highs you need to tip your head back a bit and open your throat up a bit.
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Old 2006-06-26, 17:26
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Automatic, but anyway. That "really" really did it for me.

How much though do you give to breathing in general? And breathing from the diaphragm? And how much time have you spent just "singing" single tones?
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Old 2006-06-26, 17:32
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Breathing, very little.

Singing single tones? Explain this please.
 
Old 2006-06-26, 17:41
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I can, of course, only talk about my personal experience.

These days I can shift between "clean" singing - musicals, pop and so on - rock singing and raspy trash; but all of it is founded on the fact that I've trained for hours on end with a piano, singing C-C#-D etc. For me, doing any of the cool vocal show-offs without this kind of practice was the equivalent of trying to calculate an economical orbit to Mars before I knew what a piece of paper was.

As for the breathing... is it really that difficult to figer out? Whenever you actually try to emulate a sound, make sure that it starts down in the lungs, with plenty of air. That should be enough of a hint.
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Old 2006-06-26, 17:42
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i dont wanna create a new thread for this but im working on my vocals for my band supporting our lead singer. i found my singing voice is not too bad but when i really push it i sometimes get a horrible titillation in my throat which makes me cough immediately. this sounds stupid but after 30 mins i cant go on with screaming. anyone had the same/similiar problem or knows a soltution for this one?
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Old 2006-06-26, 17:44
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So go for more of a breathing out type thing then closing up my throat and making it low and distorted there?
 
Old 2006-06-27, 04:51
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I honestly don't know what I do with the various muscles, since there is layers of skin and other assorted organic material in the way but - always make sure that it is your whole air circulation system that is doing the work, not just the throat, and that when your band wants you to hit an F, "distorted" or not, then you bloody well hit an F.
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Old 2006-06-27, 15:01
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i dont wanna create a new thread for this but im working on my vocals for my band supporting our lead singer. i found my singing voice is not too bad but when i really push it i sometimes get a horrible titillation in my throat which makes me cough immediately. this sounds stupid but after 30 mins i cant go on with screaming. anyone had the same/similiar problem or knows a soltution for this one?


If you're doing it right - PRACTICE, practice, practice...

If you're doing it wrong - stop
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Old 2006-06-27, 17:03
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If you're doing it right - PRACTICE, practice, practice...

If you're doing it wrong - stop



right or wrong concerning to what you said before or do you refer to any other hints?
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Old 2006-06-27, 20:05
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Thing is, if you do the old mistake of forcing it all out with your throat only, you're going to end up with your voice fucked up. However, if you make sure that all the strenght comes from the lungs, and just use the throat for steering, so to speak, you will also get your voice fucked up, but it won't be permanent.
Check up on diaphragm breathing, it's a great help.
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Old 2006-06-28, 11:51
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okay thx
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