what is everyones recommended drum machine? I currently have one but for some reason it dosent really do double bass, and it dosent sound very real and its very complicated to use. Note that I actually learned how to do everything, but it seems like they could have made it a little easier to get a few beats to go together.

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have you considered a computer program? Acoustica's Beatcraft is pretty good you can download it and check it out for nothing;

EDIT: (I had the wrong link)http://www.acoustica.com/beatcraft/

Here is a site with demos to make "black metal" double bass and rolls that is pretty good;

http://www.demondigital.com/backstage/tutorials.php

It sounds really. good

And thats what i am looking for..

do you know any file sharing programs that have it shared?

I don't know what you're talking about!


http://www.limewire.com/english/content/home.shtml

download dc++

http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/...74.exe?download

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Fruity loops.

I use the Alesis SR16. It has a pretty good step editor once you dig in it and figure it out. Program wise, check out a program called BFD, just think Big Fucking Drums. That one is pretty good.

this is cool, how do I get a song to play a long with the drums?

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Thats a really good question! I'm still learning the program and I still haven't figured the best way to coordinate it with my Fostex 8 track or my other audio sequencing software.

Any one have any ideas?

To be more specific: The problem I have is when I export it as a wav file to my 8 track or another program. If I make a screw-up I have to go into Beatcraft, fix it, re-export the file and then all my other recordings are off. Is this just the way it is or is there a way to get them all under one roof?

We have the exact same problem, I cant get it to work with my fostex 8 track either haha

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I am not familiar with Beatcraft, but once you export the file, it's done. You basically need to get a "finished" drum product, and use that in your multi tracker. Then dub your guitars over it. The way you are trying to do it, once it's done and on your multi tracker, it's done. You might be able to line up the recordings to match a different drum track in your recorder somehow, but it would proably be more work than just rerecording the tracks.

i know this thread is a bit old, but i want to say thanks for mentioning this application.. best drum tracker i have tried so far! (and i have tried many)

My pleasure. I love beatcraft because it is simple and intuitive to use. Can you tell us how you using it?

(PS - And thanks to lordpj for answering my question)

here is an example of two cover songs which i used beatcraft to do the drums on....as an example

www.myspace.com/glitterbombmontage

i'm sorry btw....yes, i listen to fear before....but i listen to alot of metal too...i love me some necrophagist....hahha

how come you dont channel your 2 guitar tracks

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pan them?

yea... it adds a lot to the mix. Go 80% each side
or maybe i just didnt notice it?

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Using Cubase and assigning some drum samples into MIDI tracks on Channel 10 is the best sounding and feeling 'drum machine' method I can think of. It may take some practice but once you understand how to 'draw in' drum patterns into Cubase you'll be unstoppable. The potential for what beats you want to have and mixing/panning are limitless to only your brain.

Just don't use crappy drum samples. If you must, lowering the pitch of them is a good way to make them sound better. Alot of sampled tom sounds are uber gay.

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Well, I used Fruity Loops for making a drum track, it came out ok but a bit 'plastic'. I'm sure when I add my guitars and shit to it it will be better. I can't find good cymbal samples. I think that's the real problem we should be discussing. I mean, there's a manual you can read. How to get realistic samples is a REAL bitch. Yeah, i've tried the 'manytones' samples and they were meh, but does anyone have any samples sampled straight from akit, and actually sound like a fucking kit????

i have it at 78% to each side...but listening to it...i agree with you...it doesnt sound panned at all...hmmm

The tutorial gave me some ideas about alternating velocities for more realistic double-bass, one step off on some hits, etc. I made a simple beat (double bass, snare, and one crash), then I ran a line out from my Cube 30 and recorded a guitar bit over it using Mixcraft (also a great program). I have attempted similar stuff with Fruity Loops and LeafDrums, but it always sounded so mechanical. When my friend heard this, he was like "this shit definitely sounds the most real of anything else you've tried so far!" ..now I just need the time and patience to get more complex with it.

http://www.sabian.com/english/Webmayhem/soundcheck.cfm

This is a good way to get good cymbal samples, once you've listened to them and found the ones you like, you'll need to get the audio files out of your temporary internet files folder.

bump....this is an excellant thread