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Alder vs. Mahogany
i was just wondering what difference in sound is there between alder and mahogany? Also is there a quality difference too?
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Mahogany is teh heavy. But well known for having uber good sustain and i think a nice fat bass response.
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mahogany is generally more expensive and used in higher quality guitars.
it comes down to personal preference though.
Alder is lighter weight and more balanced tonally. its a wood that you can play blues with one day and then play death metal the next.
mahogany is thicker sounding, heavier in weight and sound. some peope find it too muddy or too bassy. but a lot of people love it.
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Oh yeah... that would probably explain why they use alder in Strats for the brighter sound and mahogany in V's and SG's for the heaviness
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i like alder better. mahogany can sustain longer. but i think alder has a more unique sound and really makes your pickups sing. well depending on what pickups you use. mahogany is great for that extra kick too distortion wise. they both have their own unique advantages.
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hmm alder is not really a bright wood.. i would not say that at all. it gives a nice rich sound with a nice low-end. if alder was very bright, there's no way they'd go pairing it with a maple fretboard and single coils.
i'm not sure how you can say mahogany is used in generally higher quality guitars? that strikes me as a very strange statement. even those $5,000 fender strats (new, not some old expensive vintage one) use alder for the bodies.
mahogany is certainly more common, but alder can sound very nice.
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well i was thinking gibsons when i said that. its not really an accurate statement now that i think about it, but you do see more mahogany bodied guitars as the price goes up.
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There's ways to get around it you know. Use bright pickups in mahogany axes, and so called muddy bassy pickups in thin bright sounding guitars. That's the way it's meant to be.
Basswood also has a load of bass response but it's ridiculously soft and lightweight, plus I hear it doesn't sustain as long, but a lotta people like it too.
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i'm not sure how you can say mahogany is used in generally higher quality guitars? that strikes me as a very strange statement. even those $5,000 fender strats (new, not some old expensive vintage one) use alder for the bodies.
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Mahogany is warmer and heavier... the low end is a bit more favoured. Alder is pretty bassy too, but it also has more highs so that its not as warm... if you represented them with an eq... mahogany would have increased bass response and alder would be closer to a flat line.
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my schecter c1 hellraiser is Mahogany and it is lighter than my jackson dx dinky and my jackson is alder and looks smaller so i would not say mahogany is heavy
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NATO wood is unfortunately not something the North Atlantic Treaty Organization came up with, it's commercial grade mahogany. Ie: more expensive firewood used in many newer NJ series BC rich's.
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let me be the first to say that, zebrawood sounds alot like mohogany. just looks cooler
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Where does basswood fit into all of this?
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Lots of elitists claim basswood is just like agathis, firewood.
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What about Korina? I've seen Gibson Explorers made from it. Not sure about the tonal characteristics of it, though.
Also, as far as tonal characteristics of the wood are concerned, when in doubt, just get active pickups like EMGs and the wood pretty much goes out of the equation. Not entirely, of course, as a guitar made out of quality woods will sound better than a guitar made out of firewood, even if they both had EMGs. But EMGs and other actives are definitely a quick and easy way to get a pretty good sound out of a lower end guitar.
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I've played many guitars made of many different woods. Sometimes those woods sound the same as others and sometimes they are different sounding. I personaly like Maple necks ( with and Ebony board if I can have it ) and Mahogany bodies. Thats pretty standard I think for a quality built guitar. Solid rich tone with a good mix of bright bite and rumbling vibrations in the guitar.
This is not to say that great guitars are not made of other woods though. I just like to go with the classic proven time tested fomula of Maple and Mahogany.
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I have a Kramer that has an alder body, and a Dillion with a Mahogany body (both have maple necks). The Mahogany has a snappier tone, and it is much heavier. I really like both, and both woods give my guitars completely different feels.
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I've played many guitars made of many different woods. Sometimes those woods sound the same as others and sometimes they are different sounding. I personaly like Maple necks ( with and Ebony board if I can have it ) and Mahogany bodies. Thats pretty standard I think for a quality built guitar. Solid rich tone with a good mix of bright bite and rumbling vibrations in the guitar.
This is not to say that great guitars are not made of other woods though. I just like to go with the classic proven time tested fomula of Maple and Mahogany.
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There's a little company called Fenger or something that makes a straticoaster or some such. They haven't been around too long, but I hear they've been using Alder for their guitars. I wonder if that'll replace the "time tested" formula of a good guitar at some point, once they've been around a little bit longer and the name gets out there.. if they can last as a company with such strange wood choices.
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There's a little company called Fenger or something that makes a straticoaster or some such. They haven't been around too long, but I hear they've been using Alder for their guitars. I wonder if that'll replace the "time tested" formula of a good guitar at some point, once they've been around a little bit longer and the name gets out there.. if they can last as a company with such strange wood choices.
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Forget it. They don't stand a chance if they don't use Mahogany.... or can't at least make a decent sounding bolt-on guitar with cheap electronics mounted to a flimsy piece of plastic ( building them in Japan, Mexico, or korea ) using Alder and sell them in mass quanities for far less then other companies during their earily years. This Fenger company might have to do this for years until they have a marketing corner supported by a few guitar player ledends and lore that died with their heros before those heros could afford better gear. Was this what you were asking?
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That said, no I don't have a fender. I do, however, respect the fact that many quality guitars are NOT made out of mohagany. I think it's laughable how many here think that's the only good wood for a guitar.
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I own a guitar, custom built by ESP... its in the M style. Anyway, it is actually an all maple guitar... western maple for the body and hard rock maple for the neck, along with a rosewood fretboard. Its sounds really damn fine, with a lot of bite, and excellent sustain. Its average weight I guess... about 5lbs for the body.
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I'd love to have the funds to piss about with different combinations of woods, or at least have a decent shop that has all the different woods.
For me a mahognay body is nice though, I like the weight and imo it gives really nice sustain. Alder is fucking good though, a little more "even" but mahogany is my favorite though.
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Which is why it's supposed to have warmer, more bassy sound.
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Technically...
Neither wood is best for everything, and what either one is good for depends on a lot of things, like scale length, bridge type, neck and fretboard woods, the type of pickups you use, the amp you abuse, and most importantly, the style of playing you have.
For instance if you have a more rock oriented sound, a 24.75" scale, mahogany guitar will sound great.
That being said, the difference between mahogany and alder in identically designed guitars is this:
Alder will resonate a wider frequency range than mahogany. More mids and low mids are present in alder's sound, whereas mahogany has more of a notched mid that creates more apparent bass and a slightly brassy treble over the top. Mahogany is rightfully declared a "warm" sounding wood because it's scooped frequencies make it sound woody, especially in the lower registers. Higher registers of a mahogany guitar take on a somewhat tinny tone to my ears. It seems like more of the fret-on-string sound is amplified by mahogany. Additionally, because mahogany is a hardwood, it compresses the tone of a guitar. That's why mahogany guitars seem to have so much sustain. But that sustain comes with a price. Some mahogany guitars are made of a very thick slab (I'm specifically referring to LP's) that is meant to resonate for a loooong time. This can be a good thing if you play doom metal, but if you play anything with fast, staccato runs, or start/stop rhythms, you may dislike the woof you get at the end of every palm mute. I personally hate it. The Gibson's I've tried are frequently like that. Thinner mahogany bodies don't seem to have this problem.
Alder on the other hand is quirky too. Alder strats (with a pick guard) tend to sound nasal in a metal setting. Think of the sound of Nile, for example. I used an alder strat for high gain metal for a while, and while it rewarded chord complexity, it was punishingly sloppy sounding when playing fast palm-muted runs...although this can be compensated with the right pickups. On the other hand, alder guitars that are rear routed sound quite different. Alder shouts where mahogany would have purred. If you like shrieking, vocal pinch harmonics, there are few woods better than alder. Alder also has an apparently thinner, less compressed sound than mahogany. This is bad if you want an ultra-thick, gooey ooey, sludge-metal tone, but great if you want precision leads and play odd chordings. Alder has a slightly wild harmonic quality as well. It can be a tad shrieking at times.
I like to break the qualities of the woods into a few categories:
Palm muting--
Mahogany really thickens up single note palm mutes, but can get a little sluggish if the wood is overly resonant.
Alder isn't as chuga chuga sounding, but has a more balanced attack and decay.
Clean--
Mahogany has an understated clean tone and to my ears has a kind of Lynrd Skynrd sound to it clean. Clean neck tones are very chimey and smooth.
Alder, because it accentuates a lot of mid frequencies and some highs sounds a little twangy in clean settings on the bridge, but sounds very good on neck pups.
Soloing--
I might step on some toes here, but I think mahogany is a bit too nasal for most soloing (unless you're playing an LP). Mahogany makes leads sound pinched to me.
Conversely, alder gives a lot of clarity, bite, and a singing quality in soloing. Additionally, tapping is more balanced from string to string than mahogany.
Heavy-handed riffage
Mahogany is more dynamic to me. You can go from gentle to crushing and it is quite expressive.
Alder though is brasher and doesn't respond as well to nuance. However, alder sounds better in a situation where you are really laying down the law with a heavy palm muted riff.--Mahogany tends to flatten out a bit in this area.
Final analysis: Both are very good for metal, but I'd say go for mahogany only if you're doing more atmospheric, dynamic music, and if balls to the wall is what you want, I'd vote for alder. Better yet...just get both. You wouldn't paint a fresco with one style of brush only, would you?
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