Wow. Too bad he can't help people out without looking like a faggot.

I have a friend who is 19 and thinks he is the Joker. He does impersonate him very well, but seriously grow up.

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They already have a superhero -Jerry Springer! lol
and this --

I must offer to you a confession,
I like movies that give me a fright.
If the subject is horror,
I've got to see more or
I won't be contented all night.

You may call it my ghoulish obsession.
It's a subject on which I get chatty.
But the worst one it seems,
Haunting all of my dreams,
The "The Cockroach that Ate Cincinatti."

I've seen ghouls and hobgoblins and witches,
And some moth-eaten werewolves with bangs.
I've seen creatures that chattered,
And others that clattered,
And Japanese monsters with fangs. (ah-so)
Frankenstein gives me that shivers,
And Count Dracula's driving me batty.
But they're not quite as bad,
As the worst scare I've had:
"The Cockroach that Ate Cincinatti."

Well, he must have needed a seltzer.
It's amazing how much he got down.
For lunch he'd just chew,
Up a suburb or two.
For dinner he ate the whole town. (belch)

"Willard" just sent me out laughing.
I thought "Ben" looked a little bit ratty.
But they're not quite on par,
With the worst one by far:
"The Cockroach that Ate Cincinatti!"
Ole!

JY


Great song. Oh, for you guys that don't know about Willard or Ben they were famous movies back in the day about a kid and his rats. Michael Jackson, about puberty time, did the themesong for Ben.

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It's good to see that thick-skulled, pig-headed bigotry is still alive and well in my very own town:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8024732.stm

Fucking hell I fucking hate these backward fucking cunts. Ignorant, fascistic, mindless, childish cunting retards. My head actually hurts from the frustration.

IT WAS FOR CHARITY, YOU MOTHERLESS CUNTS!

The only reason the GAA is mainly supported by Catholics is because loyalists can't bring themselves to support anything that's even remotely Irish, such is the depth of the fear and ignorance.

If the store allows them to be there then that should be okay. If someone doesn't like it let them leave and shop elsewhere. I still don't understand exactly what they were doing, but maybe redoing their charity set ups would work out better. I know some of our stores have different groups set up in the front of the store outside or in to take donations. Sometimes it's veterans groups or kids' sports groups.

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There's a scheme currently active in supermarkets in the UK through which volunteers pack the bags of customers (we don't have proper bag packers here, we usually do it ourselves or the checkout person does it) and they have a bucket next to them that the shoppers can toss a few coins into. The money goes directly to charity. The groups that volunteer usually represent schools or clubs, and the group in the article were members of a sports club (the GAA). The club is predominantly attended/supported by Catholics, given that it's an Irish club (The Gaelic Athletic Association), and the sight of their badge - which is just a picture of this - caused some bigoted fuckwits to complain. Why the store sided with the complainers instead of the masses of people who laughed at them I don't know. That seems to be the case everywhere - one complaint trumps 1,000 votes of support.

It's not even so much the pettiness of the whole thing, it's the fact that Tesco listened to them and acted upon their bigotry that gets my goat. They are actively appeasing the wishes of hate-filled morons.

I see. Heck at most of our stores even supervisors will bag in a pinch. Sometimes I'd rather do it myself cuz I put about twice what they put into bags.
Don't those idiots know that all they have to do is thank the kid for bagging and not make a contribution? Those minority rules issues drive me nuts.

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They weren't collecting for the GAA though, it was probably for cancer or the like. They were just a group of GAA members who were taking part, which is the norm - a group/club/school/whatever sends in a selection of its members to volunteer, and it just happened to have been the GAA's turn this week. The GAA: that well-known violator of human rights and oppressor of Protestants haha.

Oppressors of protestants!!!! Hang 'em all!!! lol It just sounds like something for someone to bitch about. Can't we all just get along?

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So, once again I find a reason to use the caps lock...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAgurgle

Why in the name of sanity should we ever start to "all get along"?

It's kind of sad that people don't seem to recongnise that the very fact that they can bitch about petty little non-issues like this is a great reason to feel very content with your current situation.

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That's very true. A couple years ago a friend had a foreign exchange student from China for a few months and she brought her to a greeting card making party a bunch of us were having. She was a teenager at the time and she was talking about constantly studying either piano or for school. She excelled in both. But it was very hard to get her to just laugh out loud with us because she just never did that. But I think after being around all of us our senses of humor and fun rubbed off on her a bit. Probably confirmed the classic "crazy Americans" thing, too.

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Wow that's a friggin' killer side-effect!

I can see the commercial now:

"The new Tamiflu, from Bayer. Please consult your doctor before using this medication. Side-effects may include: drowsiness, loss of appetite, headache, mood-lift, sudden onset of intense neurological disorders, and an uncontrollable urge to leap off of tall buildings."

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Ever see The Happening? Terrible movie, but that's the general idea. Something that makes people kill themselves.

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Anybody hear what happened on Queen's day in Holland?

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Are you gonna tell us?

That's pretty bizarre about the Tamiflu. There's some drug they advertise on tv and one of the side effects that one should report to their doctor is death.

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Can't really prove its the drug in Japan, they have/had one of the highest suicide rates in the world even before tamiflu came out.

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Well I'm on smallband that's why I asked first.
Okay.

On Queen's day, a holiday celebrating the suprisingly down-to-earth royal family of Holland, a car driver ran through 2 barricades, 12 people, and apparently aimed for the open bus carrying the royal family, as he can be seen speeding up.

Video

Pic 1 Pic 2

The girl was 7.

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Christ, those are pretty high quality photos. Look at the fucking damage to the car!

This might sound terrible... but doesn't the girl in the second photo look like she's headbanging?

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The first video wouldn't load for me except for the commercial with cows in it.

I hope if that driver survived they lock the sonovabitch up and toss out the key.

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Woah..I saw this on the news..that second pic is graphic!

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http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/30...ings/index.html

Police suspect they caught one of the worst serial killers in US history. They believe he's been killing since 1955

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? Try again, works fine here.

Note how the police officer on the bike (white shirt) has less than a foot between him and the car.

And driver has passed away this morning. Shame.

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Why is that a shame?

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Well cause there's not much certainty as to why he did it for one, and now he escapes punishment.

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Ah yes. He probably just went crazy.

What exactly did he die of?

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Maybe the guy had a medical problem and it was just an unfortunate accident.

From the looks of the news, it wasn't an accident. That's horrific.

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You guys overreact every time something like this happens. I can't see what the big fucking deal is:

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/85...hanyouthink.jpg

lol, Europeans are pussies when it comes to punishment.

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HAHAHAHA!!!

Good one Paddy. My girlfriend was in the room when I saw that... she had a good laugh too

Depends on what country... but I know what you mean. The Canadian legal system is a joke too

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RFID chips are in Canada now. Fucking wonderful

http://technology.sympatico.msn.cbc...c=abc&date=True

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Ahh fuck, here we go. Luckily the ID card scheme in the UK has been defeated on numerous occasions but it's juts a matter of time before it's pushed through, and then we're sucking big brother's cock, and not in the literal sense like when I was a kid.

I don't see exactly what benefit that will do anyways. Who's to say they wouldn't be stolen and used by someone other than the issued.

I saw "chips" and thought this was going to be about mounties on motorcycles. What a disappointment! Steal my sunshine.

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Just another excuse to keep taking the bus haha. I don't think I ever want my license now.

What's the point of those things anyways? Why does the government really care about tracking every single citizens move? Average people like me are fucking boring

Haha, they should make a sitcom like that. Kind of like Corner Gas, except just make it like a 'day in the life of a mountie' kind of thing

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Holy shit
http://xo.typepad.com/blog/2008/02/disfigured-woma.html

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So sad. She's right about not letting an animal suffer in such pain. I hope she does get some real help however or whatever it might be.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europ...ref=mpstoryview How brain dead can they get? How many drunks are going to choke this way and sue? And where are they going to throw the sticks. Absurd.

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Haha that's goddamn ridiculous Do they actually think that's going to help? It might work on a 6 year old child that won't stfu. But drunks? Christ. What about people like me that don't really like candy?

Isn't it a bad idea to have sugar when you're intoxicated anyways? Supposedly it makes your hangover worse or something. I remember drinking a sugary girly drink years ago when I was already drunk. Made me sick as a fucking dog

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I was always told that you shouldn't mix stuff like beer with sweet drinks because it would give you a nasty hangover. I've heard that sweets, mostly donuts and coffee, are a staple at AA meetings. At least around here.
I can just see a bunch of you guys drunk with sticks poking each other. Tripping on the sidewalks and breaking teeth or throwing the suckers through windows.

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I think Paddy would find many "alternative" uses for the suckers. Probably something to do with midgets, or elderly men... or maybe elderly midget men.

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He's busy. He's knitting me a hat of armpit hair.

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knitted hair to cover your hair. makes sense.

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He's the mad hatter. What can I say?

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Hopefully it won't smell as bad as the ski mask he made out of pubes.

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He said he was having it dry cleaned, but I can't say why. It's too, well, it's just so not right.

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i guess that brings new meaning to the phrase 'hat hair'

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This made my stomach turn and my heart ache. It also makes me more sure that there should be a torture or death penalty.
http://www.bakersfield.com/news/loc...ng-out-sons-eye

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as much as executing people is appealing, its not really going to make this situation better. I think a better solution would be for some people being not allowed to reproduce.

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That, too. But they could very easily have done this to someone else's child.

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"My daddy ate my eyes."

..christ

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Spider-cat!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...-her-house.html

Chris, you probably already know about this, but fuck it:

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wo...rliest_Ancestor

The missing link has been found. Turns out to be a 47-million-year-old fossil of a lemur-monkey transition, and it represents the first little nub of the evolutionary branch we sprouted from. The fossil shows that the claws have become more like the nails we have, and that the feet have opposable big-toes.

Very humbling news!

How fucking awesome! Go science!

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w00t 4 humans and science

we should party

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If that's legit I think it's terrific, but that one guy that commented about creation makes me want to punch pillows. What the heck does he think creation is? I still think that it's all tied together. All ya have to do is come to metaltabs and you can see the ape/lemur/human resemblance.

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I'm not sure why this isn't front page news worldwide. I mean, what could be more newsworthy than this? It involves our entire species, not just the handful of unfortunate cunts who tend to constitute the news every other day of the week.

They're probably trying to pacify the powers that be and maybe make sure it's legit and try to explain so the religious fanatics don't try to destroy it or some silly thing like that. Give it time. National Geographic will hit it I'm sure eventually.

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religious fanatics don't want to hear such news, that's why. They could discover the most blatant, concrete, 100% without-a-doubt proof that their beliefs are flawed and they'll just stand there with their fingers in their ears yelling "i can't hear you, i can't hear you"

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Well, on the other hand, and I'm meaning this in the politest way possible, don't be what they are and not accept that their might be a connection to both. We don't know and we may never know. My initial reaction to what you wrote was that it was an attack, but I don't think you were necessarily doing that.

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They've been doing exactly that for decades. Ray Comfort anyone?

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Ah hell, I just asked eldest son if he heard about the latest fossil found and he asked if I meant the one in our dining room.

I hate kids.

Ray Comfort? Wasn't he a Tiffany?

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Fuck evolution, spider kitty is where it's at!

I don't count anything out in this life, don't get me wrong. It was an attack on the closed-minded fanatics who aren't open to anything that doesn't fit exactly what they are taught. Everyone can have their own beliefs, i have no problem with that, as long as you're willing to have a open mind and believe things because you've thought about it and it's what you truly believe, not because that's what you were told as a kid and are afraid to think otherwise.

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Check out google! Its got ol-grampy lemur on the front page!

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That's cool. Currently the only I'm scared of is spider kitty. That's freaky.

Told ya they'd have something. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...ossil-link.html

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what the hell is spider kitty?

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FOUND IN GERMANY!

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TruthD', pay attention!

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Yeah there are a lot of missing links to be found there






BURN




Sorry

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Yeah, you just like the TASTE! Grammy Baby Eater!

That's actually how I found out about it

I agree with all of the above, that the religious fundapsycholists need to fuck off to their own island where they can believe in whatever they like without it harming the rest of us.

Adam and Eve...FUCK me.

That's not so much a statement as it is a request...

Paddy, dear, Paddy. Before there was Adam and Eve there was nothing and then worlds and then animals and THEN Adam and Eve. Who's to say what transpired in the time between. If God used a rib from Adam to create Eve why couldn't He have used the same method to evolve other creatures? His days He used to create probably weren't the same length of time as our days. If days weren't different we wouldn't have Leap Year.

I can see Him now sitting by a stream thinking He'd like to see something colorful in the water and so there were tiny little krill and stuff. He got tired of squinting and it was too bright so He stuck some ferns around to cool it off and made a few fish that were bigger so He could watch them easier. Then he thought instead of watching them in the murky water he'd give them legs so they could crawl about the bank. The stars and clouds got a bit boring to watch so He gave some creatures wings. They fly around. They go zzzzzzz. Sorry. I had an Aqua Teen interference there.

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holy shit!

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I was just discovering Old-School-US.Hip-Hop for me...Can anyone tell me some good stuff?
I knoe NWA, Ice-T, Wu-Tang, Public Enemy and Beastie Boys

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Haha that's so true. Religious fanatics fear logic
I've seen so many of them act like that too, when having discussions with very educated intelligent people. Once the intelligent logical person backs them into a corner, they go into denial and just say the same thing over and over again: "I don't know how or why, but God has a reason" or usually something to that effect.

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Why is this in the news thread?

Anyways, I know that quite a few people hate pop-punk bands. But Sum 41 wrote a pretty good hip-hop song called Fat Lip.

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"god works in mysterious ways"

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Haha yes There's another one.

I'm not saying that I'm a total atheist. I do believe that there is some kind of purpose for us being here, (everything seems too well thought out to be purely coincidental or "just by chance") But I don't claim to know why we're here or how we got here. I don't know why, but I hope to know the real truth when I bite the dust some day.

But I do find most religious people arrogant. Why? Because they profess to know why we're here, how long we've been here, and how long we're going to be here for, which is absurd. What would be the point in living if we already knew the answers to lifes biggest questions? If we are here for any particular reason, it won't be written in the Bible, Torah, Qur'an, or any other "sacred" text. If someone or something put us here, they wouldn't give it away that easily. I'm sure that the whole point of life is unlike anything anybody could ever imagine. Whatever it is, we can't understand it yet, and we're obviously not meant to. In the meantime, I'm just another person living life, doing my best to find my place in this world. And hopefully I (and all of you for that matter) will know the true meaning of existence... eventually.

I probably sound like a fucking idiot rambling on and on here It's 2:14am and I've been depriving myself of sleep lately. I need to go to bed

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Well, I don't think I'm arrogant at all and if you think I am you can kiss my butt.

I don't think that's too totally out there at all. No one can pinpoint or even come close to exact time periods of when things happened or when they will happen. And anyone that is professing to be of Christian faith and says "the end times are near" is full of crap because according to the Bible no one knows the time. So if they're going to talk about don't talk about it in the terms of scare tactics. That's just dumb to me. Yeah, follow Christ's teachings since those are pretty definite, but predictions aren't worth worrying about to me. That's just my opinion though.

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I agree with that, especially when people talk about science's inability to explain the big questions. Just because there's no answer yet that doesn't mean there won't be one, and it doesn't mean that God is an adequate place holder until such times as a scientific answer emerges. The big difference between religion and science is that region has already figured it out, and no further inquiry is necessary. Science is changing and updating all the time, which proves to me that it's honing and refining its knowledge as new evidence comes to light.

But like you said, there are things that we may never be able to grasp. Our best minds know almost fuck-all about anything. I think our brains are limited and the answers to the big questions will be impossible to process even if they're sitting right in front of us, but that's too claustrophobic a prospect for most people. So, religion massages their egos and gives them a digestible, comforting view of the world, and makes them reject anything which is threatening to that view, such as the missing link being found. Either that, or they alter their belief structure to accommodate the new, threatening information thereby subduing its otherwise disastrous effects. I've seen it dozens of times; a certain breed of religious person will bend over backwards to absorb and incorporate this new "threatening" material into their religion, and will find some half-assed justification for it in their respective texts, making the threat conveniently not matter anymore. Evolution is a good example of that.

I can't understand why religious people - that is, people who practise a specific religion as opposed to someone who just believes in some sort of God - will say that they don't find evolution to be a threat to their beliefs, and that evolution is just part of God's plan. The Abrahamic regions, at least, put a lot of stock into the idea that humans are the highest and most beloved of God's creations, and that we have been promised paradise, and that we have dominion over the other animals. Well, how does that work if you accept that we evolved from microscopic beginnings and gradually, over millions and millions of years, became what we are today? Presumably there were creatures that existed at various stages throughout the planet's history that were more complex than us at the time - were they then God's favourite? And at what point in our evolution were we assigned to the right hand of God in heaven? When did God start judging our behaviour and policing our thoughts? If it has been forever, then are there amoebas in hell right now? And if it was only when we reached the current stage of our evolution, doesn't that trivialise the whole idea? I mean, what was the point of the huge part of our history leading up to the first human if humans are the only thing that really matter and cause any real concern for God?

Fuckin' pigeons.

Aha, exactly! Some people can't accept that life is full of mystery, and need to know now. I on the other hand, am patient, and am willing to wait for this knowlege, if it is ever available to us, in life or after death.

L,B'XXX, I suppose I should have worded that differently. I meant the hardcore religious Christians, Catholics, Muslims etc who think that their way is the only way. I can't stand them because they think they have all the answers. The bible talks about being meek and humble, but some of these people are far from it

I don't claim to have answers, but I have many questions, and always will.

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The thing is, I don't even consider the debate about the validity of religious texts to be all that relevant anyway. Religiosity can be explained as a normal function of our primitive brains, a by-product of an evolutionary survival mechanism by which we are designed to seek out patters and systems all around us. That function is helpful, but it comes at a price - we tend to see patterns that don't exist. Thus, religion, belief in the supernatural and superstition in general are born.

Isn't that pretty much a contradiction right there?

The fact is that humans generally don't like change period. It's just human nature. And humans were made in God's image. It's pretty obvious that when He left Adam and Eve with some instructions that he figured it would all be hunkie dorrie, but then they had to think themselves and he was faced with change himself.

I don't feel threatened about this new finding. It sparks my curiosity and feels more like a bridge piece added. I know there's probably going to be flak about it, but that's not part of my reasoning. I think we're supposed to be curious creatures.

God cares about everything, but since humans are made in his image we're especially precious to him. But yeah, every fly I swat and every aphid on my plants I destroy he's cared about.

blitz', I wasn't taking it personally. No worries.

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I wondered when it would happen. Don't dis the pigeon. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paddy_(pigeon)

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How so? I said religion likes to believe it has figured it all out, whereas science - by contrast - is on a continuous quest for truth, updating its database of knowledge as new evidence is presented to it, and testing and examining everything it does with great rigour and changing or abandoning it if it fails the tests. Where's the contradiction?

If God didn't count on Adam and Eve cocking things up, what kind of God is he? He clearly hasn't got the foresight required of such a being haha.

Do you actually believe in the Adam and Eve story?

I like how you are open to new information and won't discount it just because it might contradict a line or two in the Bible, but at the same time I can't understand why you and others want to remain loyal to a particular faith and adhere to its rituals and schedules etc. when it is being systemically dismantled. Even Israeli archaeologists who set out to prove that the mass Exodus took place ended up proving that it did not, yet I have no doubt in my mind that they still consider the Torah to be the true word of God.

Again, at what point did we morph into God's image? We evolved from single-celled organisms into fish, into primates, into humans (granted, that's very much an abridged version of events ) so presumably, if we are now in his image, we weren't before, and the question remains: when did God start caring, judging and policing us? And where was he before that?

FUCK.

The first thing was my mistake. I see what you mean, but I disagree that religion has it all figured out. Some seem to think they do and I will agree with that.

I don't profess to have answers for everything and, yes, some is blind faith -that's also a great old band! 0o0o a lighthouse -but the only thing I think is important is that Jesus was a living breathing person and the events reported surrounding his resurrection happened.

Some things about the Bible I still can't quite wrap my brain around just because of lack of details and it might sound ignorant on my part, but I just don't think certain things are quite as important. It's like learning about WW2. I don't need to know inconsequential things that happened necessarily , but knowing important events that did happen and that certain people were responsible for those events is. And you might not care that the Achenar was hit by kamikaze and it might not pertain to your life at all, but it would to mine since that was my dad's ship. Just as an example. Does that make sense?

It's easier to talk about midgets. I don't have to think as much. lol PIGEON!

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I'll let it slide...this time.

The historicity of Jesus is another debate, but even if he existed there's no proof that any of the miracles attributed to him actually took place. We have people writing about them a couple of hundreds years after his death, and they are by definition working with third or fourth hand information (at best).

Yeah, I understand where you're coming from. I still don't see how any of that proves anything though haha. It goes towards explaining why you believe what you believe, but it doesn't validate the belief.

Should we start a religious debate thread? What say you, mods?

I can't believe I found this song my grandparents used to play for me on my toy piano. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=915878

I only remember the part from Adam to the Noah verse and they sang it as elephant and kangaroo. They did rewrite it a little to suit their particular church. Apparently it's an old slave song. That doesn't surprise me.

I love the internet.

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There's an authenticated copy of the Death Warrant of Jesus. I don't buy the several thousand years of passed down information necessarily because that's just one topic. There's a million others that are being proven as truth so I think it's just a matter of one over the other. Of course, there's the opposite, too.

EDIT: The one I read is in a 100 year old book of facts at my mom's house so I'm not sure if this is the exact wording. It's been awhile since I read it. http://einhornpress.com/death.aspx

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Methinks coming here and then even talking about Christianity in a somewhat benevolent way is not a very good idea. This is still metaltabs...




This is what is wrong with religious logic, they always take the existance of god as a fact, where as a true scientist knows god's existance cannot be proven to exist or not exist. Basic "laws" of arguement and philosophy are totally lost here.

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There's nothing else in your life that you just accept without question to compare to?
I think some of my experiences solidify my beliefs, but you keep your mind open and I will, too.

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This is where I think the debate goes a little stale - discussing the merits and the mysteries presented by the Bible and the difficulties of "faith" etc. All of this is peripheral to the fact that beliefs in gods and supernatural beings is all easily understood in purely scientific (evolutionary, psychological) terms. Worrying about who said what 2,000 years ago is like worrying which of the 7 Dwarves was actually the grumpy one, or which of the Three Bears preferred cold porridge and a soft bed - these questions overlook the fact that these characters and stories are fairytales, and that "any similarity to persons living or dead is purely coincidental". That is, finding little snippets of information in the Bible which seem to be corroborated by archaeology or the like is nowhere near enough to satisfy me that the Bible (or any other religious text) is of any historical worth.

I know you directed this at D&Q, but I don't think there's a hell of a lot I personally believe in without evidence. When you're a kid you have to have faith in your parents/guardians that what they're telling you is the truth, like "don't put your cock in the fire". We had no prior experience of what happens when you stick your cock in a fire, but we (hopefully) believe our parents and don't try it. This is programmed into all children, because without it you'd never survive. So, faith has its uses. However, when you're a grown up, there's not much outside of the supernatural world that requires any great leap of faith. If you have "faith" that a doctor will cure you of something, it's because there is a tremendous amount of evidence that the medical profession works and has had a very successful history, because more people are saved than have died when they underwent surgery or treatment (at least, in our recent history this is true). You don't need to have a medical degree to trust the doctors, but that doesn't mean it's blind faith either. The end result of their work is proof enough.

So, I can't think of anything significant right now that I believe in without any evidence. Can you give some examples? My brain is in slow-motion mode today haha.

Mine is, too. I'm in midget mode pretty much.

But I disagree with the faith in parents idea because not every kid has parents and not every kid's parents care about them or don't try to brainwash them destructively in some way.

I know there's something on the cover of the latest National Geographic up in my bathroom about Christianity, but I haven't been stationary enough to read it yet.

So I guess your theory is that everything and everyone in the Bible is made up or only the names might be parts of history?

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Maybe I shouldn't have used the term "parents". Children will generally look to authority figures in their lives for guidance, which usually take on the form of parents/guardians. The parents don't have to care about them, their advice and example could be all wrong, but the point is the child will believe in them as if they were right. Their blind faith in their parental figures is beneficial in most cases, but of course sometimes it's not haha.

Not exactly. I think there is evidence to suggest that many of the people mentioned existed and were believed to be [whatever] by the people of the day. I'm conceding that as a "for the sake of argument" kinda thing. But the people of the day were - even by today's limbo-low standards - morons, who had a new Messiah every other week and were falling prey to charlatans and conmen faster than a pickle disappears at a nymphomania convention. The fact that people believed Jesus was a miracle worker and rose from the dead doesn't make it so. I made the point before that people believe they've been abducted by aliens, and will pass lie detector tests to that effect, but all this proves is that they genuinely believe they were abducted, it doesn't prove that they actually were. Now take that calibre of delusion and transport it back 2,000 years (and earlier) - before psychology, before medicine and proper evidence-based science, and before the discovery of mental illness. If today's world is a mess of insanity and delusion it must have been an absolute nightmare back then - fertile ground for the seeds of religious thinking.

Again, I don't even think it's that big a deal. We're getting the horse before the cart: superstitious thinking is exhibited in animals as well as humans, but when we see it in animals (like the pigeons) we don't afford it any respect or dignity like we do with our own species. It's this by-product of the way brains work which opens up the door to religion, it's not that religion descended upon us from on high - it's always been there, waiting to manifest itself in whatever way was befitting of the circumstances of the time, which is evidenced by the very fact that there have been countless religions over the the span of our history, almost all of which were completely different and were policed by very different "beings" which required very different appeasements. Research the Cargo Cults if you want to see an almost perfect, demonstrable example of how easily this sort of thing occurs - a fully-fledged religion, complete with rituals, practises and dogma, born out of absolutely nothing but pure superstitious thinking.

I can't accept anything without question, no one should. Is an open mind supposed to be accepting facts without further inquery?


It does not matter if everything in the Bible is false or not, no one can prove either

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Nobody rapes kids like the Irish:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/200...ld-abuse-claims
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commis...nto_Child_Abuse

It's like something from a De Sade novel: "...tied to a cross and raped whilst others masturbated at the side". Even I couldn't come up with shit like that. Hahaha I nearly said that with a straight face.

In all honesty, I'm not surprised at all.

Ahem. Don't get upset now, but as for that particular idea, I'd say you passed it on an accelerating trajectory bound for total abandon quite some time ago.


Some interesting shit going down in the US. So, what do you think, yankees and others? Left wing activists over here are having a field day speculating about when all this will lead to the collapse of the USA.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090523...ay_of_reckoning

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The San Andreas fault is going to dump them in the drink anyways and Arizona will be ocean front property. I think the Californians should all move to Mexico and take it over. Legalize pot and charge taxes like they want to do on pop and stuff like that. And make all those people that live in 50 room houses pay 3 times the taxes or else sublet to a mess of homeless, non-illegal aliens.
That's half sarcasm.

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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009...html?source=RSS

What will they think up next?

Haha, that's good if you're constipated. Just sit there and read horror stories until you shit yourself

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http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/ab...ody_case_090525

Good... I'm glad she got taken away from that fucking family. Nobody should be allowed to fuck their kids up like that

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It sounds like a future terrorist in the making. Hopefully the kids can be deprogrammed.

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