i know many people have done this (i think), but i wanna voice my opinon. i dont get why people get so mad at so many bands for what they do. Let me start with In Flames. People are bashing them for selling out. this is so silly. Why do people say that? Because they have guitar melodies? or because they have catchy choruses? people say that the choruses off their new album sound like nu-metal. what makes a chorus nu metal? or dimmu borgir.....people say that it isnt black metal. Why? because is sounds good? also i have seen people get mad when a band signs to a major label....well there are plenty of bands that do this, like maiden and Blind Guardian, and they dont sell out

people's whole image of some bands is so off it makes them worse then the nu metal trendies. i remember someone here commented on a band saying that they weren't metal because their lyrics had nothing to do with satan. well, that makes them more of a "poser" or "trendy" than anyone else. i think too many people want to have the image of being a fan of non-mainstream music. they exploit it more than any nu metal fan wearing a limp bizcuit t-shirt......

back to my point on bands, almost no band i believe has ever "sold out".
megadeth-no
in flames-no
CoF-no
metallica-not for their music so much, but i consider them sell outs for all the shit they have done with napster etc. they sold their fans out.

basically to wrap this up, what does music have to be in order to not be bashed? does it have to be just total noise that no one will really like? is Anal Cunt the only true non sell out band because they never built on their music? bands build on their style. the music they make is what they wanna make.

Do you honestly believe that when in flames releases their new cd that they are thinking: "wow this crap we made totally sucks, but it will sell good."

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who cares. good music is good music when it comes down to the crunch. COF might of be a bit different from their Dusk and Her Embrace days but doesn't mean they suck. most of the armchair critics on this forum are always bagging bands when they cant do half as well themselves. its those people i give the big middle finger too.

Dude you just said what I have been trying to get across on this forum. Thanks. It's about time.

All Hail the Giant Penis! eeewwww did I really just say that

Believe it or not, Anal Cunt were considered sellouts by some fans after signing to earache!!!

Cradle of Filth still suck. You can take that middle finger and put it back up your ass as well.

that comment was like a babies wading pool. awfully shallow and reaks of piss.

Half as well? Well that'd be me, I can't do ANY as well... I can't play a damn thing worth a damn thing...

Does this invalidate my criticism somehow?

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This is funny

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y criticise if you cant do any better yourself? i'm not here to tell you wat your criticism is worth, but the key level i was getting at was; even if you don't like it, you cant deny the musical genious.....therefore...it cant simply 'suck'. understand?? or am i dealing with an entire crock of closeminded folks that are vomiting their own pride?

You don't have to be a virtuose musician to be allowed to think that some bands suck.

Some just do.

And most bands mentioned in this thread are in that group nowadays ,allthough In Flames maybe isn't in that category yet.

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yes but something cant just 'suck'. WHY do you THINK it sucks? not just because of a stupid little element like the singing or not enough dbl kick. its more like

"i dont like [insert band here] because of the way [insert something here] is done because it is [insert something here]"

otherwise, saying "[insert band here] sucks" otherwise your just a hypocritical bastard and no different from the nu-metal fuckwith 13 year olds...now you dont want to be like them do you?

I guess my comment on CoF selling out released this pointless crap.
In my opinion, a band is selling out when they release four best of albums in three years, plus a studioalbum and some live albums. Ok, overexaggerating.
Take Linkin Park. One year after their break through, they release the same crap one more time, only a little remixed and featuring "international superstars" which I have never heard about.
THAT is selling out.

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I've always explained why I think some things.

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This was a total waste of time to read...

and if it helps anything I never thought that CoF sold out because I always thought they sucked...maybe it's just me.

I'm guessing that regardless of how this thread goes, it will end up in an argument in the next 20 posts.

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I don't like Slipknot because of the way they haven't progressed in their music. In my opinion their album IOWA was complete shit. I found most songs sounded like their previous album, except with less thought put into them. And with 9 people in a band, i expect a little more than just average music.

So you're saying i sound like a 13 year old for stating my opinion now? No matter WHAT my reasoning is.....i'm a 13 year old limp bizkit fuckwit??

I agree with slayme here......shove that finger up your ass.

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exactly. that is selling out. when megadeth decided to make a softer album like risk, they wanted to. they had done heavy metal for so long they just wanted to change it up for an album......i believe the same goes for Load.

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hey im surprised, i thought i'd get bashed a lot for this at first.......

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well. if you got your head out of that maggeted cunt hole you'd be able to be a little more mature about the way you do stuff and maybe not sound like an aggrovated under-sexed 'i'm so cool because i'm a mod' dick.

i like the way you can twist my words like your boyfriend can twist your cock around his exotic dancing pole when your pissed at him for stealing your handbag. but, if you wern't the afor mentioned you could be mature about it.

if you only had the first 'argument' in that first paragraph, then you cant argue with it, but instead you decided to be the smart ass and turn a healthy debate into an argument.

this is gonna get ugly..............

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hey it's not right to personally attack people for their opinions.

calm down and stop throwin' the insults.

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i'm not attacking their opinions. i'm attacking closed mindedness as a whole that seems to be cantageous on this bored. it seems to be if one of the 'cool' people here doesn't like something it automaticaly sucks.

you know...if he wasn't an american citizen i might almost be offended

this amuses me

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It seems you're turning an argument into a childish name calling frenzy. I just stated my opinion, i apologize if i offended any Slipknot fans here by doing so. I guess by your standards people aren't allowed to have opinions right? If they don't agree with you own, we're all automatically gay and are all under-sexed teens?

Oh, could you please point out where i flaunt my moderating status?? I'd like to see this.

Another mature post by memnoch, without having to bash the hell out of someone because of personal opinions.

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Hey buddy, try getting to know me first before assuming things. I'm not forcing my opinions on anyone here. I'm just saying i don't like Slipknot. If you do, GREAT! Have a beer! Go fuck your girlfriend or boyfriend, whatever the fuck you want. I DON'T GIVE A SHIT! But apparently you have a problem with me not liking them......or just not liking EVERYTHING that is music.

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well, you jumped the gun, which i will admit to doing many many times, although...this time...NO.

i said "if you only had the first 'argument' in that first paragraph, then you cant argue with it", meaning, thats a healthy debatable answer. i dont like slipknot either, nor am i trying to tell you how to voice your opinion, all i was simply trying to do was educate people in having a healthy debate and not rip each others heads off, sorry if i've pushed too much.

around here i've seen so much "this band sucks!" then someone replying "you fucking suck!". now, take your slipknot paragraph, take a good look at it, now, from someone elses point of view, can you truely say "You fucking suck!!!" to that? seriously. (without being a smart ass). if someone was to disagree with that they could pick out where and say otherwise.

maybe i'm doing the wrong thing by teaching modern debating techniques to a bunch of primitive homo-habilis' and maybe all you guys want to do is fight like retards on the internet. if so....don't lower yourself to a baby and respond to this with something stupid that makes you about as intelligent as the average bear and just shut the fuck up.

ps. you dont have to be mature not to swear....you can swear intelligently or un-intelligently.

Oh i'm quite aware of that. I still fail to see why you said it though, it has nothing to do with anything we've discussed so far.

As for the rest of your post.......i'll say this again, you need to know me better before assuming things, same for everyone else in this forum. A lot of "newbs" seem to think that the thoughts of a few mods reflect on the whole forum. I may be a mod, but i don't think i'm any "higher" than anyone else here. As far as opinions go, everyone here is equal in my mind.

Relating to "getting to know me".......in my post about slipknot i wasn't trying to offend anyone or be a jackass or start "something"......i was just giving you reasons why i don't like the band. You don't know me as well as some other "older" posters here, so you don't know when i'm being sarcastic or not and when i'm kidding around or being serious. In that post i was mostly being serious......i was giving thoughtful reasons as to why i don't like slipknot. I wasn't just saying "THEY SUCK!! ANYONE WHO LIKES THEM ARE GAY!! GAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY!!!!!!" as many people do here.

Anyways, i'm fucking tired now.....i hope you don't continue this debate cause it's over. It's fucking 7:30am and i need sleep.

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alrighty. well, you'll get y i pulled my nuts through my ears if you read the first page, then threads built..etc. so ye, there you might understand where my rant came from. and man, i didn't assume nothing, you've got me all wrong, i'm PRAISING that thing about wat you said about slipknot, the way you said it is un-flamable unlike half the shit posted in this sess pool., if a slipknot freak came along they could maturely debate that. :thumbsup:

You're praising me now? What? Did i miss something??? Maybe it's fatigue........

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one eye must be shut and you cant see clauses? get some sleep, have a chop, or something, then come back and have a proper read

God damn I'm smart

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hahaha, so true and i bet it applies to every single other thread out there

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i totally agree with.. gigantic penis. in flames is awesome and will always be awesome. people just think they "sold out" bc they dont have as many melodies or just solos and such. theyre music is just naturally evolving if anyone hasnt noticed. and people would just get sick if allllll their stuff sounded like tjr or whoracle. (well mabey not bc those albums are freakin awesome, but still) so yea, critisizers really suck.

I'd sellout if it made me lotsa money.

Honest, I would play whatever type of rock is trendy, but wear a bloody Cephalic Carnage shirt at my shows to hint at tr00ness.

You suck at listening to music. In Flames (while they were never great) have'nt evolved in the least. They have deveolved back to the primordial ooze.

Way to bring back a 2 year old thread doofus. And your agreeing with a guy isn't even here anymore.(to my knowledge)

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Okay, I wasn't going to respond to this thread since it was 2 years old and I figured it was just a newb's mistake, but since other people are responding to it, so will I.

As far as selling out goes, Metallica fit every needed criteria.

Here are several (not all) of the things Metallica promised to their fans in the early 80's-
1. They would never have an MTV video
2. They would never have a concept album
3. They would never conform to the corporate rock image by altering their appearances

Here's where they sold out-
1. They made (many) MTV videos.
2. They made concept albums.
3. They conformed to the corporate rock image by altering their appearances.

Here's why all that is important. Metallica were very passionate about this stuff when they were a young budding band. The way they professed these things certainly made it seem as if they truly believed in it in every way. So basically, they went against their own personal principles for the sole purpose of fame and money. That's nearly the definition of selling out. Surely you might be wondering, "Hey, maybe they were blowing smoke up people's asses." If they were, that's just as bad, and therefore they still deserve no respect. There's no way I could ever respect them.

Other bands made MTV videos, other bands made concept albums, and other bands cut their hair and shaved their facial hair, but they never sold out because they never professed that they wouldn't do those things. There you have it.

I agree with you chris.

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"I'm not allowed to like AxCx because they signed to Earache"

i love that band.

I think people say "(This bands) new CD is sold out" because they want to blame something for the fact that their once favourite band made a shitty Cd. Examples:...

Metallica: Wanted to sound like newer metal that has been popular but put their twist on it.
Final Answere: It sucked ass. Not because they wanted to make it sound popular, it just sucked...

Slipknot: The only reason they were liked was because they didnt solo and just played hard, heavey stuff that you could headbang to...
Final Answere: They fired their manager, along with him goes thier "no solo's polocy"Letting them run free with their own Idea's that they recorded, and ended up sucking balls....

lol how is it any thread on here that last for more than 2 pages turns into some kind of fight? anyway i think it's really all a matter of opinion, for example. i fucking hate neurosis, would i say they suck? yes. however they are on a label so somewhere they must have sold something. therefore it boils down to more of a "i don't like this band" not necessarily that they suck. a person thats not a fan of black metal would say.. "black metal sucks" where as alot of us feel black metal does not suck. its that kind of thing, alot of people do the i dont like it so it sucks thing, its all over this board and it starts fights, i just stop criticizing in the this sucks manner and go with i personally don't like it because frankly at the end of the day i'm not really going to care who said it sucks if i already like it and regardless what i may tell you i can log off or go away and listen to whatever the fuck i want. ok i'm not sure how much of this even made sense as i was at ozzfest all day yesterday and had to work all day today and have yet to sleep. so yeah if it made sense let me know, provided i even remember posting this

oh yeah regardless emo sucks

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If you have to pull such a massive recycle, try writing something worth reading, you felchpot.

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people can listen to whatever music they want to. might you think it sucks? yes, perhaps. but who are you? the vast majority of the people on this board are probably from a country that allows you the right to listen to whatever music you want, therefore, people can listen to whatever the fuck they want to.
critics that have a zine or something like that get to go ahead and pass judgement on bands, but I'd hope that they are a little bit more articulate than to say that a band just sucks. if not, I'm not gonna read their zine, and if other people take that approach, nobody will. and the asshole that says everything simply "sucks" won't have an opinion that matters to anybody.
if somehow you think that the majority of the population of the free world are sellouts for listening to popular music, you've got a hell of an arguement in front of you, trying to tell hundreds of millions, perhaps BILLIONS of people that the world's 1 or 2 million "True" metal fans are the only fans of legitimate music (I know I'm exaggerating on that point a little but work with me).
and who cares if a band does sell out? that's all image. if you don't like a band's music, don't listen to it and don't take it so personally if somebody else does. criticizing a band for changing its image is ridiculous. that means you putting the band's aesthetic value in front of its musical value, and whats the point of being a fan of a music group if you don't listen to the music? it's all logic people.

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well said

This may be off topic. Is it just me or doesn't anyone else notice that some of my fellow metalheads believe that if a band's lyrics are about love or related to love, that they consider it emo?

Let me try to explain it this way. Some believe what makes a emo band is because their lyrics have emotion (hints the name emo). To me, its the sound of the music that makes it emo, and the lyrics just go with the music. But yet, some still some label the music by its lyrics, not sound or style. There is a shit load of bands that isn't anything like emo that has emotional lyrics: Type O Negative, Gardenian, As I Lay Dying, Vehemence, Opeth, and Between the Buried and Me to name a few. So don't label a band emo if their lyrics are emotional. If they sound like Taking Back Sunday, Story of the Year, and The Used, then yeah they're emo.

Plus some say metalcore is nu-metal. Now thats just stupid. Metalcore bands have far more talent than nu-metal bands and sound nothing like nu-metal. Even though I don't really care for some metalcore bands, its way better than nu-metal. Melodic death metalcore is probally one of my favorite styles of metal, that is if its done right.

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Agreed, BUT I do believe lyrics have a small portion of the defenition of the genre. Like when describing what Death Metal is, someone might say "usually has violent lyrics".

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