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how to construct a strong instrumental??
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any advice,tips etc.. into constructing an instrumental?
ive always wanted to do one but i dunno even where to begin 
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even though i listen to alot of bands im more into the vai,satch and petrucci tpye music..
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you need to feel the music, get a connection to the music. play with speed when u think its right and play melodic when u think its right. also have a basic melody that is one that resembles somone singing. try and hook on to 2-3 emotions, imagin ur telling a story u need a intro, u need a rising action, u need a climax, a fallin action, and a resolution. it all depends on u, but those are some of the things i think about. as for chords and scales u need to figure that out on ur own
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you need to feel the music, get a connection to the music. play with speed when u think its right and play melodic when u think its right. also have a basic melody that is one that resembles somone singing. try and hook on to 2-3 emotions, imagin ur telling a story u need a intro, u need a rising action, u need a climax, a fallin action, and a resolution. it all depends on u, but those are some of the things i think about. as for chords and scales u need to figure that out on ur own
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the bit about having a basic melody that is one that resembles somone singing.should i write some lyrics down 1st ?and do some melodies as if i was gonna sing it that way?do i need to start with the rythm 1st or think of the melodies 1st>?
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you need to feel the music, get a connection to the music. play with speed when u think its right and play melodic when u think its right. also have a basic melody that is one that resembles somone singing. try and hook on to 2-3 emotions, imagin ur telling a story u need a intro, u need a rising action, u need a climax, a fallin action, and a resolution. it all depends on u, but those are some of the things i think about. as for chords and scales u need to figure that out on ur own
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I strongly recommend listening carefully to songs that you like, and take note of the structure... how the changes occur... how the main melody fits into the whole song etc...
For Satch's stuff there's usually a "main idea" and he builds around that...
I think it's good to start with a melody, and get some sort of rhythm going around that (with a rhythm guitar or just a bass)...
For example with Surfing with the alien... it starts with the rhythm guitar... then the main melody starts... and those 2 make up the main part of the song...
With Always with me Always with you... there's the clean guitar doing the arpeggios (that's your rhythm)... and then you have the lead guitar doing the melody...
A melody and a rhythm... go from there...
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Most people if they want to put singing they make the melodies first. Than they base their vocals on the melody of the instruments. At least that's is what works best for me.
I think you can get a lot of good ideas for how to create good instrumental songs if you look up some classical music songs in guitar pro, analyze, and get an idea of their structure. I said classical music because it has a broad range of instruments playing together, beautifully structured songs and full of melodies. Analyzing a broad range of different styles of instrumental music should give you a lot of brain storming ideas to work from
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You need a theme, 5 minutes of widdly, widdly, widdly is no good to anyone and quickly tires the ears. Melody is the most important. Generally and instrumental begins with an intro section followed by a theme, than that them is developed and expanded, modulated (think Summer Song by Satch). Followed by a chorus theme call it a (b section). Insert solo, maybe end with your beginning or chorus theme again (again using Satch as the master but this time Crushing Days).
the important thing with an instrumental is to think like a vocalist. You need to make a statement and let it breathe in places. Look at what makes Jason Becker better than Francesco Fareri, its no technique its phrasing and compostion.
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Oh god with that list of influences please don't make it even 0.05 % as cheesy as any of those virtuoso guitarists yeah sure they have skill but its cheesier than christmas cartoons or powermetal.
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YJM04 is necessarily correct
you don't need to cover any range of emotions, but at leasy portray one I say. Melancholic is my favourite listen to K13ms Egyption Blues it is fucking awesome. You don't necessarily need a climax either I find that one feeling throught a song is great aswell like make someone feel really angry or really depressed or really powerful
Seriously get k13m to send it to you or find it in the metaltabs thread somewhere search kiems posts or tell him to tell you where it is its one of my fav instruamentals
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I strongly recommend listening carefully to songs that you like, and take note of the structure... how the changes occur... how the main melody fits into the whole song etc...
For Satch's stuff there's usually a "main idea" and he builds around that...
I think it's good to start with a melody, and get some sort of rhythm going around that (with a rhythm guitar or just a bass)...
For example with Surfing with the alien... it starts with the rhythm guitar... then the main melody starts... and those 2 make up the main part of the song...
With Always with me Always with you... there's the clean guitar doing the arpeggios (that's your rhythm)... and then you have the lead guitar doing the melody...
A melody and a rhythm... go from there...
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wow thanks for that..
i'll keep all this in mind dont worry lol..
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Most people if they want to put singing they make the melodies first. Than they base their vocals on the melody of the instruments. At least that's is what works best for me.
I think you can get a lot of good ideas for how to create good instrumental songs if you look up some classical music songs in guitar pro, analyze, and get an idea of their structure. I said classical music because it has a broad range of instruments playing together, beautifully structured songs and full of melodies. Analyzing a broad range of different styles of instrumental music should give you a lot of brain storming ideas to work from |
oh okay i'll do it that way then..
any classical music i should listen to in perticular?
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Oh god with that list of influences please don't make it even 0.05 % as cheesy as any of those virtuoso guitarists yeah sure they have skill but its cheesier than christmas cartoons or powermetal.
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shawn lane
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frank gambale
jason becker
francesco ferrari
eric johnson
marty friedman
tony macalpine
to name a few
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YJM04 is necessarily correct
you don't need to cover any range of emotions, but at leasy portray one I say. Melancholic is my favourite listen to K13ms Egyption Blues it is fucking awesome. You don't necessarily need a climax either I find that one feeling throught a song is great aswell like make someone feel really angry or really depressed or really powerful
Seriously get k13m to send it to you or find it in the metaltabs thread somewhere search kiems posts or tell him to tell you where it is its one of my fav instruamentals
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okay i'll pm him
thanks for helping
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no what i mean by melody is somthing that is able to be hummed and sounds great to u. like thats the reason why peeps so hyped about joe satriani, miles davis, jazz etc music
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oh okay i'll do it that way then..
any classical music i should listen to in perticular?
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Joaquín Rodrigo's- conceirto de Aranjuez*highly sugest for guitarists* (the adagio is proby the best eva)
samuel barber-adagio for strings
bach- Toccata and Fugue in D minor(has alot of good shit as well)
bach-prelude in G maj(cello)
chopin-naucture in G min( alot of his stuff is great)
valvidi- the seasons
bach-Jesu, Joy Of Man's
Albinoni Adagio for Strings and Organ
Slavonic Dance #8 - Dvorak(has a lot of good stuff)
and betoveen (has a bunch of good stuff
mozart is the shiz too
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Joaquín Rodrigo's- conceirto de Aranjuez*highly sugest for guitarists* (the adagio is proby the best eva)
samuel barber-adagio for strings
bach- Toccata and Fugue in D minor(has alot of good shit as well)
bach-prelude in G maj(cello)
chopin-naucture in G min( alot of his stuff is great)
valvidi- the seasons
bach-Jesu, Joy Of Man's
Albinoni Adagio for Strings and Organ
Slavonic Dance #8 - Dvorak(has a lot of good stuff)
and betoveen (has a bunch of good stuff
mozart is the shiz too
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dude, ill post an example of somethin i made that was just somthin that got stuck in my head at school. thinkin of somone. ill post it tomm cuz i dont have enough time right now
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ive heard you before and i know you know your stuff so
i wanna hear it 
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I get a lot of amazing solo ideas from works of Vivaldi and Niccolo Paganini. They are like guitar shreddist but in violin. Beethoven, Mozart, Bach have a lot of great melodies. These are only classical composers. If you look up some baroque musical composers they have amazing complex instrumental music. Baroque music is more complex than classical music. Renainsance and romantic music is very emotional
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I love that song. It has such a melancholic sound. It is a good funeral song.You spelt Vivaldi and beethoven wrong
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multi tapping song in F# minor, but i hoped around a bit in differnt modes
a story of my life without words. ups and downs. just listen to the entrance the phrasing. its on me demo. the emotions i was tryin to pull out were sadness, a question at the end, cuz i was wonderin what will happen later in my life, also i was thinking about the birth and the ending of a star. but this song is about life and the world around me as i see it. and a kick ass book
http://media.putfile.com/an-elegant-universe
http://media.putfile.com/a-stary-night
just a doodle in E lydian. i did it while in band class, we were lookin at van goh's stary night. i just hummed a melody it got stuck in my head. so i recorded it.
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Amazing stuff. Enjoyed it greatly.
I've composed a new extremely technical, complex structured, melodic demo song harmonized with piano and guitar. I'll post it sometime when done recording it.
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in stary night wat was the two main things that made it sound funnner to listen to anyone? im just seeing if anyone knows.
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multi tapping song in F# minor, but i hoped around a bit in differnt modes
a story of my life without words. ups and downs. just listen to the entrance the phrasing. its on me demo. the emotions i was tryin to pull out were sadness, a question at the end, cuz i was wonderin what will happen later in my life, also i was thinking about the birth and the ending of a star. but this song is about life and the world around me as i see it. and a kick ass book
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I like the melodies in both songs. I like how you arpeggio with one guitar and have a lead in the other in the song Stary Night.
How did you record it and what did you use. Did you mic your amp? What effects did you use?
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multi tapping song in F# minor, but i hoped around a bit in differnt modes
a story of my life without words. ups and downs. just listen to the entrance the phrasing. its on me demo. the emotions i was tryin to pull out were sadness, a question at the end, cuz i was wonderin what will happen later in my life, also i was thinking about the birth and the ending of a star. but this song is about life and the world around me as i see it. and a kick ass book
http://media.putfile.com/an-elegant-universe
http://media.putfile.com/a-stary-night
just a doodle in E lydian. i did it while in band class, we were lookin at van goh's stary night. i just hummed a melody it got stuck in my head. so i recorded it.
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Well here we go...
Dunno what actually you want to build but I think strong instrumental could be built like that:
Drum intro (Something like painkiller style)
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Drum + Bass intro
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Couple of basic riffs
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Solo dueling between 2 guitars (Keyboard is an option if you into DT style)
This section might be ended with Guitar 1 + Guitar 2 solo
And then i guess you may use your imagination untill the outro
That is what I think anyway
Good luck
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Well here we go...
Dunno what actually you want to build but I think strong instrumental could be built like that:
Drum intro (Something like painkiller style)
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Drum + Bass intro
Then
Couple of basic riffs
Then
Solo dueling between 2 guitars (Keyboard is an option if you into DT style)
This section might be ended with Guitar 1 + Guitar 2 solo
And then i guess you may use your imagination untill the outro
That is what I think anyway
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thats just like writing a normal song isn it?
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structure is evrything. write the song like you're writing a book. even if you can't play it at first, write the song to be absolutly mindboggling.
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so just write random notes and then try and play it?
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I guess...thogh in the song you put the vocals in front through the riffs while in instrumental the guitars are in front usually (Or keyboard and other lead shit)
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i would love to write everything that would be awesome
but i can only play guitar and a tiny bit of keyboards lol.
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They found his body lying where it fell on that day,
Preserved in time for all to see,
No brave new world, no brave new world,
Lost in this place, and leave no trace.
iron maiden - stranger in a strange land
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2006-03-26, 22:04
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make sure you think like a listener. if u do this, then ur going in the right direction
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2006-03-26, 22:39
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make sure you think like a listener. if u do this, then ur going in the right direction
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will do
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They found his body lying where it fell on that day,
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2006-03-26, 23:44
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Joaquín Rodrigo's- conceirto de Aranjuez*highly sugest for guitarists* (the adagio is proby the best eva)
samuel barber-adagio for strings
bach- Toccata and Fugue in D minor(has alot of good shit as well)
bach-prelude in G maj(cello)
chopin-naucture in G min( alot of his stuff is great)
valvidi- the seasons
bach-Jesu, Joy Of Man's
Albinoni Adagio for Strings and Organ
Slavonic Dance #8 - Dvorak(has a lot of good stuff)
and betoveen (has a bunch of good stuff
mozart is the shiz too
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You forgot Carmina Burana ( a crazy awesome opera song)
Btw instrumentals don't have to hav structure. I think that what you are feeling for a song is whatever you should make of it. Ex: BLS's Dr. Octavia is only 50 seconds and it is sweet and simple and straight to the point.
(if you do have an instrumental have one of those sweet dual lead guitar harmonies like A7X does all the time.
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are you telling us that you have 4 boobs...2 small and 2 bigs
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2006-03-27, 00:07
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You forgot Carmina Burana ( a crazy awesome opera song)
Btw instrumentals don't have to hav structure. I think that what you are feeling for a song is whatever you should make of it. Ex: BLS's Dr. Octavia is only 50 seconds and it is sweet and simple and straight to the point.
(if you do have an instrumental have one of those sweet dual lead guitar harmonies like A7X does all the time.
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yeah definatley
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One hundred years have gone and men again they came that way,
To find the answer to the mystery,
They found his body lying where it fell on that day,
Preserved in time for all to see,
No brave new world, no brave new world,
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2006-03-27, 06:40
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wow okay thanks!!
im gonna try everything.. |
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2006-03-27, 13:14
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wtf??
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They found his body lying where it fell on that day,
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No brave new world, no brave new world,
Lost in this place, and leave no trace.
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2006-03-27, 19:56
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in a way...yes. an instumental is a way of showing people what kind of musician you are. most peoples songs are made from other riffs they've heard. you want to blow people away with instumentals. make them say"wow". use an acustic.
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