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Old 2006-02-03, 00:36
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Action Question

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I have this rg570 and when i got it it's action was high as fuck, so i looked up how to lower it and i did, im pretty sure its as low it can go - the nuts wont turn any further.

Im wondering if i have to adjust my truss rod or something (i dont know wat im on about by the way)
Because if i look at it, the lower fret's action is lower than the high end, and i am having a lot more trouble tapping with this guitar than my old one.

I have the tremelo all set up perfectly, its all balanced, so im wondering if there is anything else i should have a look at, or maybe i need to tweak.

Thanks a lot
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Old 2006-02-03, 01:11
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could it be crappy pickups? I don't know it makes no sense to me other than you can't tap on that guitar
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Old 2006-02-03, 01:49
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Yeah i thought about that too, im not sure, its only when im tapping high frets like 20+ sorta thing i cant really get it to make a clear sound. Whereas on my other axe it is as clear as a hammer-on.
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Old 2006-02-03, 01:50
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If the action is higher at the 12-24 fret area, it is a chance you have more bow in the neck than you need, and you might need to adjust the truss rod.

I typically shim the nut so that I can reduce the amount of bow, and have consitent action throughout the whole guitar. Shimming the nut will raise the strings at the first few frets a little and allow you to get away with less bow and give you more consistent action.

Basically, fret your guitar at the same time at the 1st and 24th fret, and check the relief at the 9th fret. Ibanez spec says you want about 0.3mm, but you can get away with 0.2 mm (if you're ery lucky, and don't mind a small amount of buzz on the G string).

Make sure you have zero trem angle. Fret at 1st and 24th and check relief. Adjust your truss rod until you get approximately where you want to be, and you should be good to go.

Good luck! You are well on your way to learning how to set up your guitars and have them play great!
 
Old 2006-02-03, 02:40
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Thanks a lot man

Ok so im wondering if there is any way of getting the action lower.

I looked on this Ibanez how-to site and i basically just turned the 2 nuts either side of the bridge clockwise, which did lower the bridge.

But its as far as it goes - the nuts cant turn any further, and it is still higher than my other guitar. Its just more uncomfortable to play higher up.

Are there any other ways of doing it? Should i just take it to the guitar shop and get them to totally set it up? Because the intonation is out aswell, the truss might be, im not really sure what other factors there are.

If there isnt much else i can do i may even sell it, it isnt as comfortable as everyone made the RG's out to be.
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Old 2006-02-03, 03:18
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WHAT is everyones boners with Extremely low actions?

Doesnt any one of you know that a regular to "Slightly higher than normal" action will not only give you guitar a clear bell like "boing" sound when you fret notes. But it will make you twice as good a guitarist when you master it?

Dont give me any of that "It makes you faster" bullshit. Its the same fucked theory that a slim neck will make you faster.

Guess what guys. Practise makes you faster. not Using slim necks and loa actions. you are only retarding your playing.
 
Old 2006-02-03, 03:40
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think before you post damnit. if your guitar is set up well you will be able to play better than playing with shitty action. it makes it easier and more efficient.
 
Old 2006-02-03, 03:54
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WHAT is everyones boners with Extremely low actions?

Doesnt any one of you know that a regular to "Slightly higher than normal" action will not only give you guitar a clear bell like "boing" sound when you fret notes. But it will make you twice as good a guitarist when you master it?

Dont give me any of that "It makes you faster" bullshit. Its the same fucked theory that a slim neck will make you faster.

Guess what guys. Practise makes you faster. not Using slim necks and loa actions. you are only retarding your playing.


Thanks for your imput retard.

But i dont use low action because 1t m4kez m3 fa5t3r! Its because it is more comfortable for me, and the styles of music i play.

And if low actions and thin necks retard your playing, well why does EVERY fucking shred or metal guitarist use them? Not to mention all the other guitarists playing different styles which use low action.

You know what lol, fuck off, nobody here is gonna listen to that comment because of a thing called 'experience'.
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Old 2006-02-03, 05:31
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Quote:
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WHAT is everyones boners with Extremely low actions?

Doesnt any one of you know that a regular to "Slightly higher than normal" action will not only give you guitar a clear bell like "boing" sound when you fret notes. But it will make you twice as good a guitarist when you master it?

Dont give me any of that "It makes you faster" bullshit. Its the same fucked theory that a slim neck will make you faster.

Guess what guys. Practise makes you faster. not Using slim necks and loa actions. you are only retarding your playing.

I don't even know what to say to that...But if I did I think it would come out a little something like this...Fuck you and go play your fucking squire starter pack with its damn high action...you fucking twat!
 
Old 2006-02-04, 04:38
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Slim necks are 'faster' because they are much more comfortable to play on, and thus you can play to the best of your ability. Not like have a fat bastard of a neck where you are struggling to fret notes comfortably.

Action does not necessarily make you faster or slower, the only thing that makes you fast at guitar is practise and accuracy, as you said. However, did anyone here say that they wanted to get faster by using low action and slim necks? No.

It's not about 'cheating' here, it's about comfort. If you can't play guitar comfortably, you can't get better or faster at it.
 
Old 2006-02-05, 02:57
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I don't even know what to say to that...But if I did I think it would come out a little something like this...Fuck you and go play your fucking squire starter pack with its damn high action...you fucking twat!


Whats that? Play my Custom shop Jackson Rhoads? oh i do believe i will.

What a stupid comment to make. Assuming my equipment.
 
Old 2006-02-05, 15:19
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Let's not start comparing equiptment. But good for you, having that guitar.
 
Old 2006-02-05, 17:43
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I dunno...I play black/thrash/death metal,and I really don't prefer low action...While all the other people who play this kind of music, do...With higher action you get much more balls in your tone...and there's no fret buzz...and it's way more comfrotable to play...I dunno...but that's just my opinion...
 
Old 2006-02-05, 20:41
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Okay this thread wasnt to start a fucking argument about how low you cunts like your strings lol

Might as well close it Moderatorians
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Old 2006-02-06, 00:21
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Okay this thread wasnt to start a fucking argument about how low you cunts like your strings lol


No...you didn't listen...I like my strings high...
 
Old 2006-02-06, 15:08
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WHAT is everyones boners with Extremely low actions?

Doesnt any one of you know that a regular to "Slightly higher than normal" action will not only give you guitar a clear bell like "boing" sound when you fret notes. But it will make you twice as good a guitarist when you master it?

Dont give me any of that "It makes you faster" bullshit. Its the same fucked theory that a slim neck will make you faster.

Guess what guys. Practise makes you faster. not Using slim necks and loa actions. you are only retarding your playing.


Seconded! well to an extent

Low action is usually messy in my opinion, the amount of low action bad axes I've played, even high end guitars result ina horrible mess of claning metal added to the tone. It's more noticeable when the guitar is unplugged, it's one of the reasons I find it difficult to play guitars in guitar shops as they're commonly set far too low for my liking. Higher action in my experience allows for greater definition and does make a difference to tone... Raise the action then raise the pickups accordingly maybe...

Higher action I also find more comfortable to pick at too. It's all down to preference and comfort, but if you start out on a high action guitar and stick with it it seems more beneficial than opting for a beginner's low action style for ease of playing in my opinion. I mainly play high action as my first BC rich had high action then my YJM strat was insanely high too, as well as for clarity on my maverick and due to early problems I had with tuning down etc....

I hate low action
 
Old 2006-02-06, 23:04
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Finally. For a minute there i thought i was the only person who knew a high action was good.

And for those who accused me of not having experiance and not knowing what i am talking about. I dont claim to be the best guitarist. But i have been playing for ten years and i consider that to mean something in the experiance section
 
Old 2006-02-07, 02:14
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Ok thanks everyone, you can stop your fucking whining now

Gosh, different people have different opinions... What next!?

Thanks for ruining my fucking thread cunts!
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Old 2006-02-08, 20:49
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Just what is low action? This is how I set my guitars.

I set my stuff up ~1 1/2 mm low end tapered to ~1 mm high end all at the 12th fret. I call it medium action myself, but all notes ring clear and feel fast. I also use a very small ( nearly flat ) relief. I do make small adjustments depending on each string, but all my stuff is set up nearly the same and feels the same. Thick necks don't always mean harder to fret either, but I do like thin necks in most cases.
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Thanks a lot man

Ok so im wondering if there is any way of getting the action lower.

I looked on this Ibanez how-to site and i basically just turned the 2 nuts either side of the bridge clockwise, which did lower the bridge.

But its as far as it goes - the nuts cant turn any further, and it is still higher than my other guitar. Its just more uncomfortable to play higher up.

Are there any other ways of doing it? Should i just take it to the guitar shop and get them to totally set it up? Because the intonation is out aswell, the truss might be, im not really sure what other factors there are.

If there isnt much else i can do i may even sell it, it isnt as comfortable as everyone made the RG's out to be.

file down the nut a little bit. and then raise youre action just a little bit.

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