I'm not sure where this thread goes so I'll try here. What album do you think revolutionized metal/rock today? I think personally either R.I.P [Megadeth] or Master of Puppets [Metallica].

This sounds crazy (especially comming from me), but it's Black Sabbath's Debut. I'm not one to credit old ass bands, but this is fucking heavy before there was heavy.

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Id probally have to say rust in peace megadeth as well. So many killer songs on it, hangar 18, tornado of souls ect.

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Metallica - Master Of Puppets


This months guitar world is about metallicas master of puppets album and how it transformed metal.

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Cynic - Focus

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Venom - Black Metal

aside from the ones mentioned:

Judas Priest - Sad Wings of Destiny

Cannibal Corpse - Eaten Back To Life (just how many bands copied their style?)

edit: also, Morbid Angel - Blessed are the Sick (for kickstarting the entire "technical death metal" scene)

Death - Scream Bloody Gore

I can't think of any specifics, so heres a few I believe revolutionized parts of metal or helped the genre as a whole

Venom - Black Metal
Burzum - S/T
The early Bathory releases
Every Carcass album

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Black Sabbath(any of the early ones)
Jimi Hendrix - Are You Experienced
Deep Purple - Machine Head
Judas Priest - Sad Wings Of Destiny or British Steel
Thin Lizzy - Liva and Dangerous
AC/DC - Highway to Hell
Iron Maiden - Iron Maiden
Venom - Black Metal
Slayer - Reign in Blood
Metallica - Master of Puppets
Megadeth - Peace Sells
Carcass - Necrotism
Death - Spiritual Healing
Ozzy - Blizzard of Oz
Napalm Death - Scum

Jesus, there's loads!

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Fuckin' A

Slayer - Haunting the Chapel
Slayer - Reign in Blood

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I agree, Slayer...

Slayer - Reign in Blood
Anthrax - Among The Living
Tallica - kill 'em all / mop
Morbid Angel - altars of madness
Obituary - slowly we rot

all pretty old and all of them had quite an influence on various subgenre's of metal.

At The Gates - The Red in the Sky is Ours

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Yeah for Morbid Angel, those are the earliest blastbeats I can think of. If anyone knows for a fact, when WERE the first real blastbeats?

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Good question Probably Napalm Death, but Morbid Angel was probably the first band I really recall using them to any effect. Sorry forgot to add Morbid Angel to my list, probably Blessed or Altars

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Mick Harris - Napalm Death. He coined the term "blast beat" to describe his style of drumming way back when, he also coined the term "grindcore".

SOD are also one of the very first bands to use it.

oh, and Sandoval was blasting when he was in Terrorizer too. Before MA.

theres no real revoltionary DEATH metal album because the whole scene spawned and everyone started putting out full lengths around the same time. all the death metal bands started rehearsing and making demos around 86 and by 87 there were a bunch of death metal albums from mantas and pestilence and suffocation

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deep wound, siege, no comment, crossed out..............circa 1982 east/west coast grindcore.................these were hardcore bands

napalm for the first metal sounding band on blastbeats, granted they were more peace punk at the time

I hear that they came from some jazz drummer, I think I recall reading that in some derek roddy interview. I might be wrong though.

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No shit. Never heard of that. I must look into it.

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I read on Wikipedia that the first blastbeat was used in a SOD song called milk, but if you know a jazz drummer who did it then it was probably first, but Milk may be the first song in metal with blast beats atleast

EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blastbeat this is the wikipedia page if anyone is interested

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Venom - Welcome To Hell

Their Black Metal album is wayy overrated.

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Cannibal Corpse - Eaten Back to Life

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mercyful fate - don't break the oath.

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Hell yeah, a Mercyful Fate fan.

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First it was Black Sabbath then Metallica's and Megadeth's firsts, then Napalm and Morbid Angel brought it to a more extreme level. Thats what I think...

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Early Carcass did more than early Napalm Death, my opinion anyway.

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Holy shit, that website is awesome!!

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...or maybe I'm being biased.

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I believe it was actually DRI in the early eighties. Can't remember the song though.

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Death

Possessed-Seven Churches
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Death-Scream Bloody Gore

Thrash

Motorhead-Overkill
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Judas Priest-Stained Class

Black

Celtic Frost-Morbid Tales
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Mercyful Fate-Don't Break the Oath

Doom

Black Sabbath-Master of Reality
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Judas Priest-Sad Wings of Destiny

Power

Dio-The Last in line
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Iron Maiden-Piece of Mind

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I'd have to say Scream Bloody Gore. Ride The Lightning. And I'd also Have to say Black Sabbath's self titled album, Paranoid, and Sabbath Bloody Sabbath.

Ok, the wikipedia.org is wrong. LARM is the first band to do blast beats (yet never credited), just read choosing death.

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Your probably right, Im just saying what I think off my knowlage.

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im telling you guys, jay mascus of deep wound threw down the first blasts, this is the same dude who later on formed dinosaur jr, siege were another western mass band that were more influental and known as the fastest hardcore band of thier time which was around 82, napalm death themselves listened to these bands and admit being influenced by thier sound. mick<or is it mitch> harris just termed "blastbeats" and napalm had more of a wide spread appeal and brought this sound to alot more people, also they were alot more brutal sounding than these early grind bands. its all kind of semantical because all this happened within a short amount of time, within 5 or so years.

OK, I was listing the first METAL bands to use a blast beat.

Savatage

U.K Grindcore scene : Old Napalm Death, Carcass & Bolt Thrower..

Entombed - Left hand path
Iron Maiden - Powerslave
Testament - The Legacy / New Order
Metallica - Ride The Lightning
Forbidden - Forbidden Evil
Megadeth - Peace Sells.. But Who's Buying

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Napalm Death did more for grind than Carcass did, if it wasn't for ND, Carass grind-era wouldn't exist imo.

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and if it wasn't for Repulsion, Napalm Death wouldn't exist.

You're not wrong entirely, but I'm telling you it was LARM. Deep Wound kicks ass by the way along with the entire early Earache roster.

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i just read that wikipedia page, and they specify the double bass with the blast. i didnt think about this earlier, all the bands i mentioned were using single kick. so yeah carcass, napalm etc along with doing blasts, utilized the double kick advancing the technique

I thought we were talking about albums that have been a huge influence on the genre and there's been numerous in death metal, although you are correct about how it started out.



Atheist should also deserve a mention for Piece Of Time and Unquestionable Presence

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taking that in consideration, i'm surprised no one mentioned Suffocation's mighty "Effigy of the Forgotten".

how about band that revolutionised metal?
how about bands that DIDNT?

when you think about it, most bands have something to do with what metal has become, Dave mustaine was inspired by Cat Stevens, Sabbath by Zep, eventually, you go way back to the Beatles and Elvis, and say "they inspired Suffo and Cryptopsy and.,.." sounds crazy, but its true, so these threads i find are pointless

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DRI was I think the earliest band to use the blastbeat I think it was on "No Sence" With that I think D.R.I.'s Dirty Rotten Cd, That sh!t was fast for 82

Six Feet Under

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I don't think there was a single album that did so much (I don't think there can be). I think it was a slow progression.

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Its not influental on the genre of metal as a whole, but Blood,Fire,Death by the late great BATHORY, still stands as Probably the best norse black metal album of all time, and up there with the best albums of all time period, and with the blast beat thing, I dont find blast beats to be the best thing that ever happened to metal in the first place, but thats just my opinon on that subject

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when you think about it, black sabbath didnt revolutionize metal at all. my reason behind this is because they were the first metal ever (too make it big at least) and they couldnt revolutionize metal because metal didnt exist back them, it was just black sabbath. Sabbath started metal yes, but they didnt change the metal scene because there wasnt a metal scene to change.

I like this argument. Pretty good.

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um...if I'm bit mistaken, wasnt Jethro Tull the first to coin the term Heavy metal?

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thank you seve you are rad

No need to compliment me. I already know that I'm awesome

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I think it's originated from the lyrics in 'Born to Wild'. Something like "Rolling down the highway / heavy metal thunder".. don't remember exactly and I don't have time to google it, going to take an essay in 30mins.

yeah same here, i agree completely.

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Pete Sandoval said in an interview that he invented the blast beat.

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Pete Sandoval is a fucking liar.

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Sandoval's probably convinced he did invent it. Based on the way that dozens of people seem to claim to have invented the blast beat, it's probably likely that a lot of people who were working independently towards the same ends intuited the same means. In other words, it doesn't matter. The implementation of an idea is always more interesting and important than its origin if it's at all worthwhile. A good example is the fact that the more thorough histories of the blast beat are obliged to include the fact that it was a technique developed by old jazz drummers like Buddy Rich, a fact which has no bearing whatsoever on its use in extreme metal and is of little but 'well I'll be' interesting to most metalheads. So let's all calm down.

I'm not answering this until we get a clear idea of what's meant by 'revolutionized.' Peoples' answers point to all sorts of diverging theories.

At The Gates - Slaughter Of The Soul.

Led Zeppelin started were an important band to develope heavy metal in the late sixties n eighties, Black Sabbath, Then Metallica came around in the 80's and that's when everything changed.

Pitty It's changed a bit too much now, lot's of shit around now.

I agree with you on that album.

I think a revolutionary album is one that brings something new to the table, and takes metal in a new direction.

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Even Metallica admit to being influenced by Venom and some of the hardcore bands present at the time.

Also some theorize that before Black Sabbath "invented" heavy metal a band called Blue Cheer headed in that direction before BS. In the end I agree with PST on the idea that many people were doing the same things at the same time. Now everyone wants to jump on the bandwagon saying "Fuck you I started that a long time ago!"

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[QUOTE=Blizzard Beast]Even Metallica admit to being influenced by Venom and some of the hardcore bands present at the time.[QUOTE]

Metallica were a little more than just influenced by Venom and GBH they ripped off riffs from them whole sale on Kill 'em All

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ok no need to be cocky now I really meant you were rad for saying focus, even though Pieces of time was really influential if you are going to mention focus. Even though I like Cynic more than Atheist.

Perhaps I'm thinking crazy, but "Dead Kennedy's - Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables" (Influencing Slayer!) and "Black Flag's - Damaged" (yeah I know Rollins sucks, but this is the album everyone remembers) influenced bands to play an entirely new form of metal....punk-metal. This is also known as Thrash, I don't know if anyone's ever heard of it or not .

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