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Old 2005-09-05, 15:21
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excersise help.

ok i need excersises for alternate picking, using atleast 5 or more npstring. not in triplets.

i just can't seem to come up with stuff that's in scale, doesn't involve repatition (12341234 then move to the next string 12341234 et c) or sound like it should be tripletized.

the only example i can find is below, which is from arch enemy-ravenous.

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C|---------------------------------------------------------------------| G|---------------------------------------------------------------------| D*|------------------------------------------14-16-17-19-17-16-17-19-21-| A*|-----------------12-14-15-17-15-14-15-17-----------------------------| F|-15-14-12-14-15------------------------------------------------------| C|---------------------------------------------------------------------| C|--------------------------20-22-24-22-20-19-22-20-19-17-20-19-17-15--| G|-18-20-22-20-18-20-22-24---------------------------------------------| D*|---------------------------------------------------------------------| A*|---------------------------------------------------------------------| F|---------------------------------------------------------------------| C|---------------------------------------------------------------------|
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Old 2005-09-05, 19:34
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Screaming Fingers probably has loads of exercises for stuff like that, but you could get loads of stuff like that from yngwie malmsteen tabs. get the powertab for 'far beyond the sun', theres loads of cool melodic runs n stuff that work great as speed exercises
 
Old 2005-09-05, 20:06
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Bollocks. I just re-read your thread topic and realised I've misunderstood your question. May aswell share the post anyway to those who need help in learning alternate picking

Get some riffs you already know, and transpose them so they're played on only one string.

Original post was this (sorry if any aspects are patronising, I misunderstood your original message).

The best excercise style for learning and developing alternate picking (in my opinion from my experiences) is to use scales and pedalling.

A good example of one I used to use is to play is A harmonic minor only on the e string (and the others etc) with a pedal tone of the open e between each note, like this:

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e--0-4-0-5-0-7-0-5-0-8-0-7-0-5-0-4


And use consistent down then up strokes. At first it's probably best to learn alternate picking on a fretted excercise, as the change in intonation between an open string and a fretted string is noticeable. However, due to the more difficult nature of using opens, your technique should develop faster.

Be sure to use a metronome, aim for accuracy and minimalised hand movements, in both the fretting hand and the picking hand.

Aswell as this, practice the actual down and up strokes. A good example that has recently helped me (with upstroke technique) is to learn riffs liek this one from Viking Kong (Racer X)

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e-3-------5------6-----5------3 b---3-------3------3-----3------3 g-----3-------3------3-----3------3 d-------------------------------------5 x


Work on the following aspects:
*Having a neat and cleanly defined tone in both updtrokes and downstrokes
*Be sure the clarity and spacial orientation is even, between the upstrokes and downstrokes; this will allow for a consistent sound - if your upstroke tone is weaker than the downstroke etc, it'll show (an analogy to this is double bass with two different bass drums, as oppose to both beaters producing the same note.)
*Hand position on the bridge. I use a floyd rose system, whereby I use the bridge as a mild hand-set.
*Pick position - The string's tensile strength differs. you'll notice it's more resitant (bends less) closer to the bridge, and is 'looser' towards the neck. I play roughly between the pickups (which allows for good access to pinch harmonics). Play around and find where feels the most comfortable to play.
*The pick you use - Ditch any thin strumming picks, and lkook itno trying a variety of plectrums to see which suits you best, for string resistance and ease of playing.
*Pickmovement - I forget what the 'text book method' is for picking, but use small movements from the wrist; don't pick with your elbow or just with your fingers.



Sorry for the long post... I remember asking this question, to which people relied only "practice". Hopefully my response will help steer you in the right direction.
 
Old 2005-09-05, 20:35
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Originally Posted by deifiler
Bollocks. I just re-read your thread topic and realised I've misunderstood your question. May aswell share the post anyway to those who need help in learning alternate picking


lol if you dont want to feel its wasted, submit it as a user lesson to Shredaholic.com, it'd make a great lesson, I'm sure it'd be beneficial to Shredaholic users
 
Old 2005-09-06, 00:01
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check out a song by malmsteen called trillogy op.5
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ibut i wouldnt get any help at a slipknot board, theyre struggling with palm muting!
 
Old 2005-09-06, 01:46
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I hate Triplets.

Fucking hate them.

Try buying Frank Gambale's Chop Builder DVD, its 45 bucks but hell it does a lot of damn nice exercises.

BUT FUCK TRIPLETS. SO HARD FOR ME GOD DAMN.

Id rather do 16th notes.
 
Old 2005-09-06, 13:07
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defiler: that would have been really very helpfull if i needed it.

perhaps i should clarify what im looking for.
i can alt.pick 16ths at about 200bpm, but changing strings is causing me problems. i can't run up and down 3nps scales because the string changes are too close together. and sliding makes too much to concentrate on.
so what i'e been doing is doubling up on 3nps, which is always triplets, and im sick of it. so yes i know i should just slow things right down, but i would rather not because i know i could progress alot faster this way.

my plan is (having got to grips with 6nps) to master 5 nps, then four, then three. but 5note per string licks are a pain to find or make up. and fournps is to big a jump. so thats what i want 5nps licks. which aren't triplets.

those who suggested Yningwnie malmsteen, thanks for showing an interest, but hes good enough not to have to play 5 nps licks. and hes all about showing off. i had a look at the tab for trilogy op, but most of it is sweeping. there was maybe twice in the whole thing where he stayed on one string for longer than 3 notes. and far beyond the sun was similar. except he stays on one string for half an hour, then sweep sweep sweep.

as far as frank gambale goes, hes great, but i dont want to spend 45 bucks on the off chance of him demonstrating 3 or 4 licks like i want.

legend: nps = note per string
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