Yes, that sounds self-destructive. And I think you answered all your own questions. It just needs to sink it to the braincells.


I was having cravings for donuts lately. My mom offered me a pumpkin donut hole so I ate one. It satisfied my craving. Happy camper.

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I guess I did.... The sad thing is that I know how to eat, how to work out, how to do and how not to do. But it´s a matter of discipline. Here is the problem, both when it comes to stay away from beer, practicing guitar, work out and eat healthy. I´m lazy, I guess...
But I´m gonna do this shit again and get into the same shape I used to be in. Now I´m 93 kg the goal is 100 by the end of the year, but without this lovely belly I got... and regain my 5 cm I lost round my arms...

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Try giving yourself a start date or talk to someone about it for encouragement. That's basically what I did. I used to do yoga every day and had less tension headaches back then besides losing about 20 pounds. I actually got too thin for awhile. I was down to 118 pounds and I'm 5'8". I was about 20 then. I'm about 155 now and almost 47, but I have people here that are encouraging and other supporters including my doc.

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Tuesday! But I gonna be gentle this time, ´cause I usually get ill when I start out to hard. I really wanted to get back this summer but I was sick for 2 months. Than I´d go to the doc and asked what was wrong with me. "Destructive lifestyle"!
So one bit at the time and I gonna try to motivate myself to do this shit again. I really wanna get into shape. I wanna have sex again!

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Stewie is singing "I want to have intercourse with you" on Family Guy on tv right now!!!

Timing was awesome! Do you like cartoon characters?

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Family Guy is pretty funny. I like the dog. Saw a program when he was a porn director...

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hahahha i almost cried at that part, that song was timeless

Holy shit. I had to pay my rent by today, so I sprint walked down to the main office a couple miles away. Took me 50 minutes round trip, and I didn't loose my breath at all. I just soaked my clothes, and now my feet hurt.

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But do they hurt so good? I walked the cemetery with my friend today. And then I went to the grocery store. After that I painted part of my mom's living room so i was up and down a step stool for about 3 hours painting her wall for her. My legs and feet feel dead, but it feels good, too.

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You must like pain then. You're weird, lbxxx.

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Fuckin AMEN, brother. That's the no-shit gospel truth right there.

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wally--Shut up, Pillsbury. Nobody was talking to you. At least now I know you do remember something from church though.

powers'--No, you know how some pains you have from injuries don't feel good, but others you get from working out or whatever that are going to disappear in a day or 2 make you feel stronger. Those are the "hurts so good" ones. Not quite DOMs, but not get me to the doc NOW pains.

And yes, I am weird. And so is my spawn. You think I'm weird you should meet his dad!

Well, today my butt around my hip area is about the stiffest and sorest of anywhere. I sure hope the muscle doesn't grow there. (Ok Bob, that's an open invitation to bust me on my big butt.) And mom just called and said she's getting more paint to day so i can do the rest of the living room. (thumps head on keyboard)

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dont you 2 believe in phones LOL
Stay safe Wally.

Yeah, but the little butthead called his dad when he got back to Washington and then last night he called him to see how to cook a steak and ask about the safety of week old chicken. (ew) He talked to him for an hour, but has he talked to me? NOOOOO! The first 2 lines were directed at him and ther rest to powers' so I'll go edit that.

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WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

How long will it take me to leg press 700 pounds? Can I work up to that by December? He said he wanted me to be able to do that by the time he comes home again.

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thats nothing I curl that

Well, I figure toting my butt around all these years has probably made my legs pretty strong anyways. He wouldn't argue with that. And my legs have always been stronger than my arms. I wouldn't really want to do that anyways. Of course if anyone got fresh with me I could put a heck of a hurtin' on 'em.

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A womans legs are very strong . but I dont see you doing 700 lbs why would you want too , your will have legs like Hilliary clinton Yuuch

My old High School Math teacher, Donna Wicker, won into the guinness book of world records in 1982 for lightweight powerlifting. Her trophy was stolen from her car soon after she received it.

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Nah, I wouldn't want to. I just felt extremely fatigued fixing lunch for Denny just now. Hopefully our healthy lunch and some gatorade will give me a boost. Tuna, tomato, and 12 grain.

poweres' that's pretty cool.

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Alright you miscreant put it back , was she built like a line backer ?

so my left knee is now worse again after having done a full workout yesterday

the only thing i did different yesterday was lower the weights on the two leg machines that i do. god, damnit. im not going today, and will go tomorrow. i felt better of the weekend too

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"lightweight" you idiot. She weighed 95lbs. And it was squat. Why don't you look her up.

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Dammit, I hope no one asked me for money this morning I read things and not much registered for some reason. The theft and the D grade just didn't even click in the bean. *sigh* I need brain food.

Tranny, take it easy. It sounds like you're doing something not quite right for sure. It might take awhile to heal up.

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yeah i know, im going easy on it. i just discovered today that a hot shower aimed on it made it feel almost perfect again, which is a good thing, becasue to me that says minor muscle injory

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Sounds like jacuzzi time. Or just sit in a hot bathtub with a section of garden hose and blow bubbles near your knee. Just don't hyperventilate, pass out, and drown yourself. Your knee wouldn't hurt, but you'd be all pruney and blue then.

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hahahahaha, ok!

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I've always thought that after a hot shower and you cool off, your muscles get very sore.

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well itll be a full cardio work out today. fingers crossed please! today it ached like it did when i was about 12 and got "growing pains" , even though i dont think thats a legitimate explanation of what it was. in short, thats a normal comfortable feeling for me and its not some weird tight feeling. went away with some ibuprofen

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Tranny get that knee checked , cause if you leave it too long you can fuck up other parts such as your back , because when you alter you normal movement because of an injury other shit starts fucking up,
cheers.

Yeah, listen to fox'. The ibuprofin might be covering up a pain that's telling you to take care of it. That's the only problem with some suppliments and stuff. They've got pain relievers in them so you don't know until it's too late that something's not right.

powers' -- if your muscles are warm from working out and then you shower and they're still warm then you get cold and they contract fast it's probably gonna not feel too good. Think about what happens to body parts that get a blast of cold. Not pleasant sensations--unless you're into that kind of stuff. But yeah, your body needs to cool off gradually or you're liable to have muscle spasms.

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i take ibuprofen on and off, its not a problem...my knees feeling much better now

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I got freaking forearm splints thats like shin splints only it effects the inner forearms .hurts when I do Curling or any kind of back type exercises such as T bar rows any pulling type movement. it tales months to go away . But i work around it .
I got it from doing chins, Iwas doing sets of 8=10 with my 250 body weight , fucked up my forearms. anybody ever get that.It sucks

I forgot to tell you guys and gals that bodybuilding.com sent me a notice day before yesterday that there's going to be stuff about the upcoming Olympia contests. Tomorrow at 8pm Eastern time Ronnie Coleman will be on a net radio show live answering questions from what I remember. I'm sure you can find out more details if you go to that site.

g'night

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am I supposed to drink protein drinks even the days I'm not working out?

is creatin better than protein drinks?

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Creatine is a different animal than protein. I don't remember the specifics about it other than you need lots of water with both to keep from having kidney problems.
You can google or askjeeves or look at bodybuilding.com about it if you're in a hurry to know. wally uses both so I'm sure there's others here that do, too.

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Yesterday afternoon I got more on my legs. For the leg press (each leg separately) I started at just 45lb, and after 4 sets of 10, added another 45lbs weight. I did this, and went all the way up to 225lbs (5 45lbs weights) on each leg. But squat I didn't do too good, cause my legs were shaking so bad that I had to quit after only 180lbs and do a little jogging.
Then as usual, I did a ton of pullups and dips, and a couple reps of curls.

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it seems this thread has died, but i'm back with a question, right now I'm concentrating more on my back, but theres some exercises that i can't do and whenever i do back it doesn't feel like i worked it hard enough. Is your back supposed be sore like your chest or arms after a workout or the next day?

Lats as well, they're never sore and when i do lat pull downs (only exercise i know for lats) i feel it more in my arms then lats, am i doing something wrong?

if you work it out enough, anything will get sore.

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I found this about creatine. http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/willbrink17.htm

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thanks alot l'bx that article was good.

I still don´t know if I'm supposed to drink protein drinks only the day's I work out or every day though?

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Your body is going to feel mighty strange if you feed it 100 grams of protein one day and 50 the next, whether its on a day that you work out or not.

Well, the protein is to repair the muscle that's been stressed and keep it healthy and that's what makes it bigger. You might not want as much on those days, but you'd still need a moderate amount I'd think.

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I'd strongly recommend taking in the same amount every day. When you're working out isn't when the muscle's getting bigger, that's when you're hurting it. Resting time is when the muscles are repairing and becoming larger and more dense. But if you don't want as much, I'd go with 70% of what you take in on days you work out.

Yes, creatine's different than protein, I don't like typing enough to explain the differences, which can mainly be found online. And both of them are fine to take at the same time, just make sure you load and cycle the creatine properly.

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It looks like there are some suppliments that combine them. Wouldn't that have the proper ratio if one was to use something like that?
I read briefly that there's not too much info on women using it, not that I would. It was just a gender chemical difference. Nitric oxide is different in males and females, too.

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What about if you only work out only once mayyyybe twice a week? If I felt like taking protein, should I take a smaller amount, like 10-30 grams per day? .....Before you answer this, would I find this info on bodybuilding.com?

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Well if that's the case, and your only working out once or twice a week I would just stop taking the shakes all together. You would probably get enough protien in your normal diet if you eat properly. The shakes really only do anything if your working out every day or every other. When your muscles are rebuilding they need protein to rebuild and unless your stressing them everyday or every other day then lay off the shakes!!!! Wasted money!! Unless your using them as meal replacements which is ok.

I agree with that. I'd at least drop my intake down. I think I'd just do the shakes prior to or shortly after the workout. Since I don't do it all the time, but I saw the wonders that using liquid protein did for my grandmother, when I use whey powder it's in much smaller amounts than recommended and it's just incase I don't get as much as I should for RDA. We'd talked about the walnut thing and my nails getting stronger, but i'm wondering if it's from the protein I'm getting more steadily now, too. The days I walk with my neighbor I have a protein bar and a big glass of water before we go and a glass of water or gatorade when I get home.

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If I start taking protein and working out every other day, what would happen during the summer when I leave school to home where I've got no gym; and all I'd be doing is push ups, dips, and curls. Would it be healthy or bad if I just "stopped" the protein intake? Would I start getting flabby? Or do you think that only doing pushups, curls, and dips are enough workout to continue taking protein?

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ha, I hate this. Whenever I'm done working out, it takes only about a half hour to see my body diminish to it's normal size. Then it's soreness for a day.

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Look up DOMS. That's what the soreness is. I read about it in a Physical magazine that gnc sends with a membership to their goldcard, but I don't remember what it stands for. It's the "good" pain that goes away after a day or 2. There's certain things you can take that will keep that soreness to a minimum. I'm thinking water, protein, and some complex carbs.

You'd probably stay toned doing those exercises when you aren't going to a gym, but you aren't going to stay as toned as you would going to a gym. Don't overdo the protein and screw up other parts of you though.
Back a few pages somewhere wally was talking about when he was at sea for those few months since he didn't have access to a gym and his gradual strength rebuilding. You might scan back and see what he said there.

And bodybuilding.com has a lot of info. I like eFitness also myself. There's some ads highlighted here and there for eDiets, but there's some good stuff there, too.

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Are you sure you aren't Lou Ferrigno? Sounds like the incredible hulk syndrome to me. Do you have a greenish tint when you work out that fades?

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Naw, my sweat is clear, although I was wearing a grren shirt yesterday while working out.


from bodybuilding.com....

"Certain foods such as beef, herring and salmon, are fairly high in creatine. However, a person would have to eat pounds of these foods daily to equal what can be obtained in one teaspoon of powdered creatine. "


hahaha, I'd better start eating more hamburgers....

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haha.....i remember i started going to the gym.....went for a couple of months then quit......thing was that it was kinda far from my place,n the ones that were near were absolutely shit

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Lean beef. I'm eating my HN Cheerios, walnuts, raisins, and soybeans right now. Good stuff.

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haha...that is soooo old people food. Next, I bet you're gonna say you also have a balanced diet of Nilla Wafers.

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You asshole! Where's the damn camera!? I've got a box of those sitting here by the monitor! Hey, that stuff is good for ya and the nilla wafers I never had til I worked at the home. They're low fat. AND I BOUGHT FIG NEWTONS YESTERDAY!!

god you're right.................. You should look this great when you're almost 50 though.

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aaaahahahahahaha, I worked at an old folk's home for a time, so yeah.

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Ok, first off, why are you only working out twice a week? When I was beginning, I made my best gains going moderate and hitting each body part about three times a week, with calves and forearms as exceptions. I'll throw out right now that 30-50g of protein a day is RDA (can't remember which, but it's one of those), which you can damn near be at just from 3-5 serving size glasses of milk, which aren't big at all. Anyway, let me know why you're working out twice a week, and we'll go from there. I could give you more exercises that you can do at home, too, if you'd like. You just gotta improvise. Last winter I was using the sandbags out of my dad's truck to do bicep curls with, as a quick example.
If you're not working out much, you don't need to take in a ton of protein. And by intaking a lot of protein and then not working out for a while, you won't necessarily get flabby. Flab's caused by stored energy, and complex carbs and fat will be stored moreso than protein, because they're harder for your body to break down. If you want to avoid becoming flabby, increase your ratio of protein to carbs, while maintaining minimum saturated fats and such. Fats are good in small amounts, certain kinds, anyway.

Oh, and one last thing. Creatine is naturally produced by your body in certain amounts. I've read a ton about it and all the perks and bad things about it and everything, so if you guys want to start using it, and you don't know shit about it, I can tell you a decent amount, and it's normally a lot more than what you'd read about in one or two different articles. IMing me would be preferred, but asking on here would work too.
Alright, I'm done.

Fuck babies. Lift weights.

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I only work out twice a week because I practice a ton of guitar, and I have bad sleeping habits. MWF, I've got class from 9-11am, then I take a nap until orchestra at 2pm, with my first meal at some point. I've got no car, so I've got to walk that string bass about 10 blocks in amazing heat. Then when I walk back, it's time for another bass class (only meets on M) at 4:30, so I take it there. It lasts until 6 or later, then I'm done for those days. TR, I've got 1 class at 10am and another at 2pm. R, I also have a once a week class at 5:30-8:30pm.

Usually I get my main workout on Tuesday night, and try to make it there again on Saturday because I'm always to tired from staying up anwhere from 1-5am. This week, I accidentally waited for my nightly tuesday workout, and felt like going to bed. When I woke up refreshed, it was like 4-5am.

Besides all that, last year I always tried to get my workout once every other day that lasted for about 45minutes. So that's, MWFSTRS, so on and so forth. But since I wasn't getting much change in size or weight, I kinda quit.
Now, this year, I've just been going once or twice a week, and doing instead of cutting, I've been just doing super lifting. I'm getting a little bigger in chest, biceps, and thighs--but it's slow work.

My eating habits are mainly beef and a fair amount of vegtables/fruit and pasta.



Haha, though I have improvied at home. Sometimes I curl a chair, or my double bass. I've also done dips by using the backs of two chairs. Or I'd have the chair seats facing each other, put my feet on some elevated thing (like a desk or bed or amp) and do pushups the whole way...so my chest passes close to where my hands are.

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Ok, I'm helping like four people with similar stuff right now...are you asking me for recommendation on something? Sorry, brain just doesn't work all too well right now.

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Douche.

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shit, i just noticed where my collarbone is there is a lump that can move around there and it feels weird, i hope its not a fractured... if it is i'll have to hold of working out for 6 weeks...

One quick way to find out. Get in pushup position. If you collapse in pain crying like Nancy Kerrigan, then go to the doctor. If it isn't that bad, just give it some rest and ice it down.

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Seriously, there's an opera they showed on the news about Tonya and Nancy. Who'd a thunk it?

Gee, wally, with your bedside manner and compassion you should get into sports medicine or something.

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who the hell is nancy kerrigan? i can seem to do a push up fine but with a bit of pain, and i woke up with my neck being sorer than usual. I really don't want to stop training for 6 weeks though, I finally gotten to see some improvements

She was the figure skater that got her knee fucked up by Tonya Harding during one of the Olympic Games.

Anyway, do you have any idea what caused you to fuck up your collarbone?

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did that guy kick her knee with the skates or something?
i have no idea what could of caused it, i did a chest work out 2 days ago though...maybe i did something wrong on that day, and i haven't worked out since the chest day.

That may be it...

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im pretty happy at my current weight now. gonna knock down the anerobic exercise to 30 minutes five times a week

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I jump rope now. I weight about 137 pounds at the moment.

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Im up to 155 pounds now.

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im down to 160

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Yeah, if you feel like it.

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Well, I asked that in hopes that if you did, you'd tell me what you wanted help with. So, what do you want help with?

By the way, if anyone wants help, I'd much greater prefer to talk on an IM than on here, just because it's faster and easier, but if someone doesn't have one, PMs or on here is alright...

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ok thanks everyone expecially wally and lbx

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yeah thanks for all the help in this thread, its been real helpful

lbx looks like an abbreviation for many pounds in American weight or pound 10. I dunno if I like that or not.


You're welcome.

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I'm down to 241

Anyway, I watched the 2005 Mr. Olympia on Pay Per View tonight....

RONNIE FUCKING COLEMAN!!!!!! NOW 8, That's right, 8 Time Mr. Olympia. Tied with Lee Haney for the world record, and surpassed Arnold Schwarzenegger's 7 Olympia titles. FUCKING SHIT that is sweet!

Oh yeah, and the dude Gene Rychak I think his name is, dropped 1015 lbs, no typo, dropped 1015 pounds on his right side trying to bench press it. They didn't say how bad it fucked him up, but he's the world record holder for the highest bench press and the only man that has ever benched over 1000 lbs. He did 1005 at the 2004 Olympia.

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I just got in from an hour of running, I'm kinda tired.

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wally that's great! I like Ronnie. I wonder if they have any clips on the sports channels. Make sure you keep your gold card membership up for gnc so I get the next Physical magazine! They always have stuff about Olympia in there.

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holy shit , benching a 1000 lbs sounds pretty insane, and then dropping it on yourself?? ouch... that must of hurt..bad

Ronnie coleman is so Growth Harmoned out its ridiculous ,
The guy is a walking talking pharmacy .
No way you look like that natural or just on creatine.

But he's got a cute smile.

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You're old. Everything is cute to you--even those cute like vanilla colored round things near your mouth.

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What in the heck are you babbling about boy!? You're kinda cute, too, so shut up. And hopefully you'll be old someday, too, and some snot nose kid will make fun of you.

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I'm never going to be old, it'll be too much pain, and btw i found out what that thing on my collarbone is walpurgis, its shingles....fucking shingles

ronnie coleman is not cute , Yikes if you think thats kute , You probably think richard freaking dreyfus is kute Yeech

He's not cute, but he's definitely the man. He came out in this year's Olympia wearing a crown and cape, and holding a scepter. That was badass. I hope he takes Haney's record next year.

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Dam , I give credit where credit is due , But realize Ronnie is a walking talkin pharmacy as is every pro bodybuilder , He probably spends more on his Growth hormone and other drugs than you make in a year.
That said he is a genetic freak. He does seminars every year in my gym. He seems like a decent guy. He will beat haney's record. I wasnt crazee about Haney.
I hate to say it even though arnold wouldnt win a Mr. local gym contest now , to me he is still the greatest.

I didn't say HE was cute. I said he has a cute smile. Which he does. And if I thought Richard Dreyfus was cute that would mean I thought.... and I'd have to poke my eyeballs out, fox'. NYAH!!!

I saw the picture http://bodybuilding.com/fun/2005olympiares.htm scan down a wee bit. And I thought that was so ridiculous looking. A few decades ago it would have looked pretty cool, but now it just looks goofy. I know it's the honor and all that and I'm glad he won, but that dealie just looks demeaning. Would you want to wear something like that, wally?

KevC--SHINGLES!!!!???? Oh boy, those are fun. I never heard of them effecting your neck just the waist area. Well, stay calm and don't itch anything. And for goodness sakes don't get poison ivy on top of that like a friend of mine did!
You must have had chicken pox at some time in your life to have shingles now.

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u did say he cute , next time he comes to my gym ,Im giving him your number LOL
The funny thing he is the best in his sport and compared to other sports icons like A-Rod or Michael Jordan or some other super star. he gets paid peanuts . Sure with endorsements and guest posing and seminars he does well but compared to the other jocks its nothing.
and his pharmacy bill is huge as is his eating bills . In order to weigh over 300 like he does the sod must eat like a bull.
And like I said Arnold in his hey day is to me still the best.

Oh yeah, I walked around the cemetery with Brenda today and then as soon as I came home I went out to wally's world and used the machine for about a half hour. I came in the house and mom called wanting me to come move her wooden awnings to the back of the barn. I don't think I could do that right now anyways so i told her I'd let Denny know and we can do that tonight. I grabbed my water and a piece of raisin bread as soon as I came in the house. I WANT SOME PEANUTBUTTER!!!! Jr. ate it all the other day. Oh well.....I'm either going to get my second wind or take a nap.

Richard Dreyfus (snicker)

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i had shingles once...fucking painful. went away luckily, i heard it can last for years. i've got a few scars on my back from it...

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fox'--You been sniffin' the paint thinner again? Go ahead and give him my number. That will make wally come home and I'll never have to answer the phone again.
I know someone who weighs over 300 pounds but he doesn't eat that much. And he could kick yer butt! He wouldn't, but he could.

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strange, i feel no pain what so ever, except the swelling of my glands makes some parts a bit sore, but atleast i can work out.. n the scars stay on your back?? damn, i have it on my front side of the neck..my pretty body..

Do they look like chicken pox scars? wally had one on his chest for years and we even had it biopsied. The doc said he'd never seen one like it. It was a reddish raised oval. Once wally lost so much weight and started lifting it went away. I dont' think you can even see a trace of it now. Everyone's body is different so don't worry abou that.

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