Anything at all with higher intensity. Steady state cardio is ineffective and boring.

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Higher intesity as in...

...aerobics, certain sports?

Eat right, lift weights, do cardio exercises...for example, with abs you can pin your feet down with weight(or a bar) and do sit up's off your bed.

Lot's of reps with not your maximum weight is one of the best ways to tone up.


But fuck that, lift as much as you can and drink lot's of beer. Then you can get huge traps and female breasts like myself.

Oh yeah, I forgot to get that gym membership..hmmmm.

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I can count my testicles.... 1...... green--Damnit! I'm useless!

I dunno what it is. I just can't keep my back straight when I'm doing push-ups.

Sit-ups I can do, but not too many. I struggle to do 20, but I have to have something brace my feet after 15 or so.

.... I'm pathetic.

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lol.

Oh well, I probably couldn't do many push ups these days myself.

and situps?? PFFT. Who needs situps! The stronger the gut, the sexier!

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aren't sit ups and curls supposed to make your gut stronger?

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....I'll wait for FBS' response.

Because he is the fitness guru around here.

I asked someone about getting remotivated the other day and was told to get off my ass and do something. I got called a cottage cheese butt and a few other things. Then I remembered the motivational poster that fbs sent me. After I laughed awhile, I did some squats and calf raises. My back and the tension headaches really get to me so I have restart slow again. (I have one now.) I have to do it for my health. For me. And so my husband and kids won't have to take care of a mom with heart problems in 20 years.

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Pfft. You honestly need someone to tell you to lift weights, do cardio, and eat properly again? It's really not that godamn hard.

Look up exercises on the internet.

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Yes, could be either. But aerobics are pretty fucking gay, hmm?

Read about what is typically called 'high intensity interval training' or HIIT here:

http://www.exrx.net/FatLoss/HIITvsET.html

and a kind of sample routine here:

http://www.teenbodybuilding.com/justin6.htm

My prescription for this stuff is pretty similar yet much simpler. Find a big, flat thing to run around. Lope around it for a while and warm up.

Now, mark out a square of this ground in your head, bigger is better. Run one side of it. I mean RUN. Motor. Like a black man runs from the Detroit PD.

Without stopping, slow down and jog the other three sides. You'll be back where you started. Do it again.

Start by doing it for about 12 minutes total - trust me, that'll be plenty to start with. You'll be sucking wind and feeling a little nauseous.

Work your way up to increasing the time per session. A good four-dollar plastic stopwatch can be handy here. When you can do 20 minutes of this torture without vomiting, then we can make it interesting.

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Excellent, cheers FBS!

Could you recommend a strength training program, perhaps? Keep in mind that I'm a total beginner to that sort of thing. Maybe something which is both efficient and un-complicated, and which do not require the use of "supplements"?

Do you have access to stairs? More than just a few. Go up them fast and down slower so you don't break your neck falling down. And then start taking a couple at a time going back up. You'll work a lot just doing that.

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I weighed myself last night and I'm 196.4 lbs!

Holy shit! Yeah..definitely YMCA membership next week. lol.

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I don't mean this as an insult in anyway, but alcohol turns to straight up fat, yo.

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haha, yes..that seems to be the case.

Well, working out will help change that. As will school starting again next week. Surprisingly I still have some muscle mass left. And most of my weight comes from my legs, because I've always had big legs. I have thunder thighs.

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'Supplements' are all entirely unnecessary up to a certain point. People take them far too seriously. Forget about them for now.

The basis of any strength training program that is more than marginally effective requires you to be able to do the following seven exercises. They are my favourites, the Super Best Friends of the exercise world. It would be a cold day in hell before I did a workout that did not involve at least one of these exercises or a harder variation of them.

1. Squat
2. Deadlift
3. Bench Press
4. Overhead Press
5. Chins/Pullups
6. Dips
7. Rows

You need to learn to do these here things.

No, you cannot use machines instead.

No, you cannot substitute the exercises for others.

No, I do not have any easier recommendations that involve faggoty-pants variations and girly movements.

I can give you links if you want, but what you really need is a decent strength coach, avowed meathead or a competent powerlifter to hang out with and show you the way.

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Oh, gawd, girlfriend, me, too.

omg, they just advertised Guys Gone Wild during South Park. I'm gonna barf. They were gross and that was tre gay.

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Damn. I'm fat and I can do 50 at any given time. That being said, when I was 16, I was fatter, and I could do 500 at any given time. I gave up on sit ups a while back, and now I struggle for anything more than 100. Sit-ups are pretty lame, anyway. I highly doubt anyone has lost a significant amount of weight with situps being the prominent part of their exercise program.

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Some cunt told me how strong he thinks his legs are because he was able to use the maxium weight on the thigh abductor. If I ever happen to work out at the same time as this guy, I'll be sure to really test his "super leg strenght" with Squats. My bet is he'll get crushed under the bar, and then blame it on how much it hurts to have a weight on his shoulders/traps. Should be a lot of fun.

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I'm not worried about losing weight. I can do that just sitting on my ass. I just want some tone to my body.

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I went out for a run to test my fitness. The verdict is: shit. I could barely run 700m at a fast/but slow-near-the-end pace before seriously tiring out.

I was fitter when I was 12.

Running is for black people, now cut that shit out blizzard beast.

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haha. That's the spirit!

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162 lbs and still have some fat on me

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Why are so many people afraid of doing squats? Just today, I had a conversation with some guy I know at the gym. He was saying he was really into "working" his legs really hard these days, or something among those lines. "So, do you Squat?" I go on to ask. "Nah, I hear those are real dangerouse, and you're pretty much bound to hurt yourself, if you do them wrong." THEN DON'T FUCKING DO THEM WRONG! No seriously, its not really that hard, there are thousands of much harder movements. Sure, Squat like an idiot and you'll get hurt, but that goes for pretty much everything. If you do Leg Extensions with your head, you'll probably hurt yourself too. Stop being lazy, and learn to do stuff right, even if it takes more than 1 min to learn.

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If he's drinking Colt 45 or Wild Turkey afterwards he's a lost cause.

I like doing squats because the next day I know I've accomplished something. I can feel it and it feels good! I'm not doing it with weights always and all that jazz, but it's enough that it does make a difference.

And now I have another thing in common with Tranny. I could take him though.

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A nice cardio exercise to do if you have access to a football pitch is fucking kill yourself sprinting diagonally and then jog on the short side to the next corner then do the diagonal run again. Do this for a few times.

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Because they're weak.

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Oh thank you!

Oh hell, while I'm at it. fbs, will squats help those of us prone to osteo that can cause hip fracture? Doc says I have a bit of it in my lower back already and I know keeping flexible and moderate weight training is good for it, but will those help or hinder?

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Compressive loading should increase bone density. You should have been doing them years ago. I doubt they'll hurt you if you overdo them.

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Haha yeah, I could run the mile in 7:30 when I was 14 or 15 No way I could do it now.

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I need to get back into running bad. I just fucked up my ankle today which blows but hopefully it'l be good in a few days.

I guess i was averaging about 630-6 minutes a mile for a little while. i need to get to at least 7 minutes to 630 a mile again. Doesn't take too much effort.

And i'm sure you can run a mile in 730 its not that tough. its just one mile......

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Well i've basically got a small home gym. i'm more into the swimmers body deal, so my work outs are fast. Pretty much no brakes but very intense work out. This keep you from getting that huge arnold body. Basically alot of Plyometric training,Cardio sprint training, and Supersets.

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Thats most definately the best training in my opinion. Lifting doesn't really make you healthier or lose weight, it generally makes you gain weight and has no effect on your over all healthiness. Cardio work outs on the other hand are completely opposite.

I need to start running again maybe i can start to lose this ass and thighs that i have. But then again i think skateboarding prevents that from happening.. erg.

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Eh? You really think you can just accidentally get "that huge arnold body"?

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Thanks fbs.

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*to the theme of the Cockle Shell Heroes*

BULLSHIT BULL
SHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT
BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULL

SHIT BULLSHIT
BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULL
SHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULL.... (SHIT)

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Twat on earth are you talkin bouts boi!

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Seriously! Try singing it out loud... it rides the tune quite well.

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I've never heard of the tune
But you better believe i "sang" it out loud haha.

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Squats are the best overall movement for the legs you can do, and if you really want to safely push the limit, use a Smith machine. It's retarded to get all built up top and have legs that make you look like a goddamn candy apple.

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Probably.



NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO.

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It also works pretty well with the tenor part of the Randall Thompson "Alleluia." Especially if you pop the t's.

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Not best for results due to the lack of negative resistance, but it's pretty fucking hard to get hurt with it.

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I remember reading an anti smith machine article on T-nation. It said it was nothing more than an over priced towel rack. Good stuff.

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Ridiculous. It's far more dangerous than a heavy barbell. To rack, you have to rotate the bar... how exactly would you plan on doing that with 400-odd pounds when you're already failing? What position are you in when you fail on a squat? Usually falling over forwards, with your chest 'caving'.

A Smith doesn't have safety bars either. If you crash out in a power rack, the bar should hit the pins... and stop. You look stupid, but that's all. A Smith goes down to 8-12" off the ground.

More problems - it fucks up your form and it overloads your knee joints due to the straight-line path of the bar.

No serious trainers or athletes use the Smith Machine for squats. NONE. It is a complete piece of shit. It has some limited use - bench throws and an adjustable bar for one-armed pushups - but is never, ever used for any serious exercises. Ever.

Humancorpse mentioned this, which is a good article on the precious few sensible uses for a Smith Machine.

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has anyone here heard of redline enery drink? on the bottle (8 oz), it says to only drink half because it is so potent. i've read some crazy shit about the drink....one of the ingrediants is an amphetamine like stimulant.

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Haven't heard of it, but it sounds rather good.

Edit: Hmm...
http://www.bandddesigns.com/energy/arch/002853.html

Yeah, thats the one, although I remembered it as being much more focused on why Smith machines suck rather than sugesting acceptable stuff to use it for. I probably got it confused with another article.

My gym has two Smith machines and one Squats rack. I hate whoever came up with that idea. I cannot just change gym, there's not really any alternatives around here, seeing as I don't have a car and therefor can't travel far. Fuck.

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Eric is obviously trying to be as positive as possible, and make the best of a bad situation.

There are hundreds of routines on T-Nation, and none of them recommend using a Smith Machine for anything except the occasional minor exercise.

I wonder why they cost so much?

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I guess people just buy them, thinking they're safer than power racks.

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You can do calves in the smith, I do.

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Imagine how hard it would be to give a faggotty little twist to a bar with 140kgs on it. Not easy. Now imagine what happens when you get a bad cramp and have to do it...

I do not want to have to read "Swedish ditz crushed by gay-arsed gym machine" on reuters.com. Stay safe, hmm?

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Right here I go, I'm off to the gym. you could say Ive fallen off the wagon lately and havent been in literally months.

Let's see how it goes...












Well I'm back, I feel good!


I did Biceps and back but just kept it easy going with some modest weights and low reps. It wasn't an intense work out just enough to get the ball rolling again. It's sparked an urge in me to sort out a whole routine now.

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Why the hell would you have it set for 8-12 inches off the ground unless you're under 4 feet tall? It would be really easy to bail out on the Smith machine, without having to worry about getting knocked out by the bar. And one-armed pushups are just idiotic.
As for the mechanics of the Smith, yeah they're far from ideal due to no strength curve.

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You can't adjust the pins on most smith machines I've ever seen, and they are usually set pretty low. Why do you think one-armed pushups are so dumb?

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I didn't realize most Smiths were like that. The one at my college gym can be set from as low as a foot to about three feet off the floor. The reason I don't like one-armed pushups is that they seem to cause a lot of unnatural aching that has nothing to do with muscle being shredded and repairing itself. What really confirmed this for me was when I could do about 30 one armed pushups with my weaker arm and only about 20 with my strong arm. That makes no sense to getting in shape and is completely valueless. They're cool for showing off and shit and I'll still bust em out once in a great while, but I think it's a bad idea to use them as part of a routine. Granted, I'm no expert, but this is how my experience went.

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FBS i have some questions for you. ive toyed with the idea of becoming something along the lines of a physical therapist or maybe a personal trainer. im pretty sure your job is something along those lines and you seem to be pretty qualified.

1.what did you major in? how many years did you school for it?
2. if youre a therapist or a trainer or dietician or something along those lines, how many people do you deal with every day?
3.my main hurdle with this would be dealing with people who arent motivated or driven to do what theyre told, say someone who tore their acl, had surgery, then lied about not doing stretches/some kind of routine after word. people who disobey what you tell them to do, etc.. how do you deal with that (if thats in your line of work)? it seems like that would make the job feel inconsequential and unsatisfying

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Client: Hey Sam, I really need to work on my back.
You: Uh...erm...here I'll show you...erm...just look at that guy over there and copy what he's doing

har har, go back to prancing about with play swords, limey

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lol Silly boy, He suspends them or bans them just like here!

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son of a bitch, all i want is some serious answers

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How do you plan to work around your back problem if you become a personal trainer?

Kind of. I was doing a graduate degree in exercise science when I came to two very unpleasant realisations.

1. The degree was shit. I knew more about the application of this material and exercise than my lecturers did. They were hacks and academic wash-ups who taught theory when they should have been teaching theory as it relates to practice.

2. I would have absolutely HATED the employment I could have got after it. I didn't want to be a PT.

Thankfully, I paid so little attention in the final semester that I failed a subject and they didn't allow me back. First time I ever failed anything, and it was fucking great because it made the decision for me.

This all aside, I'll resist the temptation to tell you how great I am anyway, and just answer your really quite reasonable questions.



As an undergraduate, it would have been a 3 year degree. The degree I did as a postgraduate was 2. Most physical therapies are similar. What's more important than your undergraduate degree is where you get experience immediately afterwards. Most things like this have internship programs.



If you're a private practitioner and you have one-on-one clients, probably somewhere from 6 to 10. On a 'semi-personalised' basis, a few times more.



This is not anywhere as much of a problem as you think it is. There are two very different ways of dealing with this.

1. Don't think about it, tell them if they don't do their rehab then they'll get injured (write it down somewhere that you said that) and wait for them to get injured. They have no legal recourse and you make money. If you work for a large gym as a PT, then you will have to take this attitude a lot because people are lazy fucking dumb swine. CYA,FTC - Cover your arse, fuck the client.

2. Clients accept the fact that you are not working for them, that you are working together and that you have mutual obligations. They accept the fact that they are a walking billboard for your services. Make them sign a contract that says if you're not happy with their motivation, then you can terminate their appointment without prejudice (and get to keep some of their money). If you're any good, and charge a significant amount of money, and do this, the amount of clients you have with motivation problems will be very small. This is the way a good performance coach, or a decent team coach, or someone who actually knows something about exercise science and sells their own judgement as valuable works.

(Also! If you become a dietician, I will smash you in the spine with a leather sap until you never walk again. Dieticians edge out even personal trainers as people with the worst ego:knowledge ratio. They are semi-educated fuckwits who consider themselves medical professionals, and the majority of them know more about their own toenails than nutrition and physiology, especially as it relates to exercise. Fuck these people. Fuck them in the ear, nose and mouth.)

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thank you

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any tips for building a stronger metabolism?

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As in faster? Drink some water and space your meals out 4 hours apart. Complex carbs and stuff like that and get off your ass and move it. It'll speed it up. Drinking cold water first thing in the morning about a half hour before you eat is supposed to jump start it so when you have breakfast its already kicked in.

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thanks

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I would imagine being more active would do this. Creating more demand on your body will create metabolism.

Your body will do what it needs to in order to function. So if you don't do anything your body will adapt a slower metabolism.

If you create situations where your body constantly is being demanded energy and action, then well it'll produce results.

Takes time.

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When i was talking about eating every few hours that's to keep your body from thinking it's starving so your metabolism and your body won't be storing fat so readily.

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my height is 5 8 inches while my weight is 47 kgs am I fit????????

Firstly, don't listen to that dreadful old hag's advice.

Secondly, I don't know what you mean by 'stronger'. In fact, I'd also query what you meant by 'metabolism'.

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that or bulimic

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I think I tomato stakes that are bigger. I'm old and female, 5'8" and 160 lbs. I was 118 about 25 years ago and I was too skinny.

You're probably a guy and it depends on how old you are. If you're early teens you'll probably start putting on the pounds more as you age and get more definition provided you eat right.

fbs, you're so sweet.

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Try doing a deadlift or a squat, fag.

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i have i've done all that for years. Doing heavy lifting doesn't add over all health. It adds muscle and muscle mass. ESPECIALLY those that you just listed build muscle and muscle mass NOT lose weight nor gain overall health. Fag.

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Define "overall health."

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haha, people wanting to make money off of fat losers.

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According to dictionary.com
Health is defined as "soundness of body or mind; freedom from disease or ailment"

A synonym to health is stamina which is defined as

"strength of physical constitution; power to endure disease, fatigue, privation"

I'm more leaning towards the power to endure disease. THATS building health. Lifting weights to build muscle mass doesn't do that. Those maintaining a healthy lifestyle revolves around cardiovascular exercises and not heavy lifting.

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You mutt. Would you like me to explain how you're wrong, or would you like to guess some of the reasons first?

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(Why the shit was this closed? Who's the jester?)

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Thats what i was wondering haha. I was waiting almost all day for a response. I thought you were the one who locked it hahah.

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yeah i was kind of puzzled, this is one of the best threads on here imo. its been a lot of help to people and we tend to stay on task pretty well

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Lifting heavy stuff (within reason) builds your bones as well as your muscles and keeps you from fracturing a hip when you're an old fart.

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Well, fuck this. I'm a skinny white male who needs to get big.

So, i'm gonna start working out (obviously). I've been talking to a knowledgable friend heaps and he has shown me websites which help, such as this, but I think I shouldn't rely solely on a site and him.

FBS, I've seen some of your workout reccomendations, and also you said that Squats are vital.

I can barely do squats as I have reallly fucked up knees. 2 squats and I'm in big pain. Is there anything else I can do? I can't really do Leg press for the same reason.

He said I shouldn't do Situps and pushups. Situps cause you do your obliques aswell, and that you start using momentum. I did 100 (in a few sets) yesterday, completely proper, back straight, not full extension. Goddamn fucked me up. Pain like hell and now my back hurts. He said don't even bother with pushups because you need to do them really proper and really really slow for any sort of gain. I did about 30, and meh, hurt .

A bit more that needs clearing up...
I'm probably gonna buy some supplements... some NO2 bulshit and something else he reccomended (weight gainer that motivates you aswell or some shit).

Also, to rehydrate myself I ate some gatorade powder (instead of mixing, I was lazy). He said that's bad cause with more use I wouldn't get big, I'd get big and undefined as my muscles filled with water... Is this true?

Anyway any help / tips appreciated and I'll keep reading this thread....

~ John.

Dry gatorade powder wouldn't hydrate you. How could you stand to eat it? lol I use the powder when I drink Gatorade cuz it's cheap, but there's a lot of sugar in it, too.

I scanned down this page aways and didn't see anything, but did you post what's the cause of all your bodily problems? That would make a big difference in what you should do.

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Oh lordy be. Where to begin?



An excellent decision.



Squats are good. They are very good. But they are not 'vital' and done badly they are downright dangerous. There are plenty of things you can do which are either variations of them or alternatives to them. I want to know more about your 'fucked' knees before I say any more about that.

DON'T LEG PRESS. EVER. I fucking hate fucking leg press machines. These piles of excreta should be melted down and turned into dumbbells.

From memory, you are about 7 foot high and 1 foot wide. The leg press is a shit piece of equipment, and for us long skinny people it is triple shit. Because your legs will have a long range of motion, the bottom position of the weight will hyper your spine. I got my first real injury of a leg press with +500lbs on it.

Also, you're far more likely to load your knees annoyingly leg pressing than squatting. We don't need to talk about the biomechanics of it. Just don't leg press.



Your friend is not very clever. The internal and external obliques are on the side of your torso. Situps most likely activate them, but not in a way where anyone would give a fuck. Even so, there's nothing wrong with working them. My obliques get more direct work than my abs. And no exercise *makes* you use momentum. That's just fatigue. Besides all this, situps suck for other reasons.

'Really proper and really really slow' is just total shit. Tempo never makes any exercise exclusively good or bad. Pushups in the normal way aren't any good simply because they don't have any real loading to them. Your body doesn't weigh enough to piss your arms off the same way weights do.

There are variations which are useful - one-armed, slide, knuckle-ups, clap-ups, ballistics, on Blast straps etc. - but they are almost exclusively advanced, often require weird equipment and nothing that needs to be worried about.

Do you have a gym?



NO NO NO NO NO a thousand times NO.

Two reasons - firstly, both those supplements are overpriced piles of diseased fuck.

Secondly, supplements are absolutely no substitute for heavy weights applied intelligently and TONNES AND TONNES OF REAL, GOOD FOOD. Muscle is tremendously expensive, from a metabolic perspective. It costs a lot to maintain, and a SHITLOAD to make. You can't eat the occasional wonder food and expect the handful of calories to do dick all.

You need to be eating four meals a day MINIMUM. Big chunks of meat. Fields of vegetables. Loaves of bread. Fistfuls of nuts. The occasional baby. Supplements are what you add AFTER you've got all that stuff in place. They are the single most overrated parts of anything to do with fitness. And the field is notorious for BS and hyper-exaggeration.

The hardest part of getting bigger is the eating. Training hard enough to grow isn't as hard as getting the amount of calories you need. Trust me on this one.



In a word, no.

First of all, you can't 'rehydrate' without drinking a fluid. Gatorade is dextrose, table sugar, flavouring and electrolyte salts. If you eat it with a spoon, it won't rehydrate shit. Even with water, it doesn't do much by itself and it's only vaguely useful in the company of big fuck-off chunks of quickly digesting protein immediately after a workout.

The undefined muscles thing is a blanket statement which just doesn't make any fucking sense. Your friend could be talking about sodium bloat or sarcoplasmic hypertrophy, neither of which is remotely relevant to anything or permanent.

Your allegedly knowledgable friend is a chump. The bodybuilding.com site is OK, but some of their stuff is very entry level and only marginally useful.

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Maybe his friend was confusing Gatorade with synthol. Easy mistake, I've been guilty a couple of times myself. You don't even want to know what I confuse Powerade with... let's just say 4 hours later, I had to call my doctor!

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I would add that if you choose to use protein shakes, use them for situations in which you can't actually get to a full meal. Then again, a lot of people that are dead serious about getting more mass will carry full meals in tupperwares.
Ronnie Coleman snacks on chicken while sitting in his squad car.

There's not really a need for a gainer's shake, although I'm guilty of having consumed mass amounts of it when I just got so sick of chicken and tuna. Just eat more portions. It makes sense to vary what you eat too. I'm convinced that while I might have been the same size, I would have been in better health if I had'nt consumed those sugar-rich beverages.

The only supplements sold in GNC that really just magically made lifting weights and gaining muscle easier as promised are no longer available on the market because they were basically milder versions of steroids. I went on a cycle of AD-1 and I would'nt do it again because it felt like I was on the third day of quitting smoking all the time.

Hey FBS, always a huge pleasue to someone else into the eat lots, vary lots and fuck the rest theory.

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Weight loss and weight gain aren't about secrets. They're about having the balls to do the work.

I've tried everything. When I was a teenager I bought dumbfuck supplements, dumbfuck books and dumbfuck magazines. Muscle, Airbrushing and Fuckwits, Get Huge-O-Lean powder, and Seven Easy Steps to being 900lbs w. 2.5% bf. I've tried dumbfuck routines, and dumbfuck diets, and dumbfuck exercises. I've committed every dumbfuck mistake that you're supposed to. And the painful truth is that there are no secrets, no awesome super strategies, no miracles.

(Unless you get your hands on some testosterone suspension. Apparently, that stuff is miraculous. Dangerous and illegal, but also miraculous.)

90% of the battle is and will always be 1) getting your diet mostly right and 2) busting your arse *hard* and smart.

I'll make another observation for those of you who bother to read my shit here: if you're at least an intermediate level weight trainer, i.e. you know how to train, drop big lifts well over your bodyweight and aren't afraid of the pain, losing fat is MUCH easier than gaining muscle.

MUCH. FUCKING. EASIER.

(If you're a teenager who got HYYYYUGE recently, shut your fucking mouth. Us people who are not teenagers hate the fact that your bodies work better than ours, and it's not always going to be so easy to gain weight.)

Gaining weight means painful, higher rep training and a constant, unending battle for calories and recovery. Dieting is easier on both counts. So don't get chintzy about putting on a few kilos, and worrying about your pretty bits getting bloated.

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FBS.. Thanks for taking interest! I'll begin this post by notifying you that I showed my friend this thread and your response, and I'll post his response made through MSN... I may have been slightly incorrect in some of my quotes, but I think you'll be quite displeased about his response . (He's Grzeg)



~Grzeg~ says:
"Pushups in the normal way aren't any good simply because they don't have any real loading to them. Your body doesn't weigh enough to piss your arms off the same way weights do."
~Grzeg~ says:
thats just junk
~Grzeg~ says:
go on bodybuilding.com.. theres a forum aswell
~Grzeg~ says:
and you can ask them
7ex says:
k
~Grzeg~ says:
and so does the tempo at which you do it at
~Grzeg~ says:
so saying pushups wont do shit is just stupid
~Grzeg~ says:
the technique does matter on the gain you get
~Grzeg~ says:
if he does 30 proper 6 seconds up 6 seconds down pushups and even just 3 sets of those.. and he tells me hes got no pain the day after
~Grzeg~ says:
than hes got a point
~Grzeg~ says:
the pain is your muscle tissue broken
~Grzeg~ says:
and it grows by fixing it self
~Grzeg~ says:
so if you dont feel pain you aint getting gain
7ex says:
fair nuff
~Grzeg~ says:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/
~Grzeg~ says:
thats the forum you wane be asking on
~Grzeg~ says:
they know more than me
~Grzeg~ says:
this guy knows shit all
7ex says:
alright
7ex says:
did you read his entire response?
~Grzeg~ says:
"Two reasons - firstly, both those supplements are overpriced piles of diseased fuck."
~Grzeg~ says:
hes just fucked in the head
~Grzeg~ says:
that was so bold and un educated what he said
7ex says:
keep reading. He clarifies
~Grzeg~ says:
yea... certain supplements dont work on all people.. doesnt mean their shit

~Grzeg~ says:
you cant get muscle without a diet
~Grzeg~ says:
workout is only half the picture
~Grzeg~ says:
go on the bodybuilding forum where real bodybuilders discuss these issues
7ex says:
k
~Grzeg~ says:
this guy is just a really bold cunt
~Grzeg~ says:
the forum i gave you is top shot
~Grzeg~ says:
best bodybuilding forum on the net
7ex says:
alright
~Grzeg~ says:
"First of all, you can't 'rehydrate' without drinking a fluid. Gatorade is dextrose, table sugar, flavouring and electrolyte salts. If you eat it with a spoon, it won't rehydrate shit. Even with water, it doesn't do much by itself and it's only vaguely useful in the company of big fuck-off chunks of quickly digesting protein immediately after a workout."
~Grzeg~ says:
dumbcunt
~Grzeg~ says:
"The bodybuilding.com site is OK, but some of their stuff is very entry level and only marginally useful."
~Grzeg~ says:
once again a dumbcunt
~Grzeg~ says:
is theres better websites.. why didnt he give it to you
~Grzeg~ says:
?
~Grzeg~ says:
oh.. wonder why
7ex says:
Hmm usually he posts shitloads of links
7ex says:
He either has given them already and wasn't fucked, or will do so very soon...
~Grzeg~ says:
ask him to specificly give you websites
7ex says:
ok


Well, If you bothered reading that, he basically dislikes you. . One thing I may have to agree slightly with: The gatorade comment. I don't see how it can be used as protein... There is no protein whatsoever (0g) in it. Unless taking large amounts acts as protein???

Now you.
At the start.

My knees are fucked after 7 hard years of skateboarding. Constantly jumping and falling off large heights. It's all I used to do. Now, my ankles, all my toes, and both knees crack alot. When I squat, Both crack on the way down, and on the way up make a sickening sound. I liken the sound to a few ' grindy pops '. It's quite loud, frequently freaks people out.

So, squats and leg press hurt. Also, trekking down mountains hurts. Basically situations where pressure is exerted upon my knees.


Fair enough, I don't leg press due to pain, but last time I tried (fairly recently) I could only manage about 80kg without pain. Greg says I should be able to do at least twice my bodyweight, but oh well. For the record, he can do 350 kg.

I just measured myself accurately, I overshot it a bit earlier... I'm 194cm, 6'3.6".



Fair enough. I was slightly incorrect with one of my quotes.

~Grzeg~ says:
"cause you do your obliques aswell, and that you start using momentum." - I said that he said
~Grzeg~ says:
lol wat
~Grzeg~ says:
i said situps work your hip flexors
~Grzeg~ says:
obliques are good
~Grzeg~ says:
and you use then in situps + crunches
~Grzeg~ says:
but more in situps


Are you asking me personally? No I don't have a gym.

However, I have access to gym. At school, there is a gym, and also, Fitness First in Strathfield is offered as a sport.

Problems:

School gym isn't bad I must say, but the fucking atmosphere is.
I live and attain education in the fucking Inner West. The school gym is chocka-block full of Lebs, Asains, and ethnics. Not very nice people, frequently jeering, laughing, etc. Also are a bunch of cunts. E.G. If someone is just sitting on the bench and I ask politely to use it, they won't get up. What can I do? Nothing. I'm not fucking with tattooed 17 year old asain soon-to-be corpses.

Fitness First Strathfield is alright, but expensive. $8 a week for sport, but I must say this is cheaper than membership. Still a pain in the ass to get buses there and back, and we aren't allowed to use free-weights. Some of the chicks there are pro. I'd tap that. A pro of going there. Some of the guys (staff) there are also quite cool, but they're paid to be.

Fair enough. Makes sense.


Ok. What would you say should be in each of those 4 meals. I eat quite a lot actually. But quite a lot of junk too.

Would this suffice: (average school day for me)

Breakfast: Bowl of Cereal, quite a lot, Sultana Bran Plus (same cereal past 4 years)

Recess: Bun (Rosetta Roll), Yoghurt, some chocolate, Nuts (Almond, Hazelnuts, Sultanas), and some more little junk. Juice.

Lunch: Bun (Rosetta Roll), Juice/Soft Drink.

3.30pm: Always Soup, Ice block (Summer)

5.30pm: Dinner. A fairly wholesome meal, my mum always cooks well. Meat, Rice, beans, lettuce & salad, is a good summary I guess. Never anything unhealthy really.

Desert: Ice blocks/cake/chocolate/ similar. I may continue eating for a while, not a very good thing.

Supper: Always, everyday, large helpful bowl of fruit.


Quite a good diet, no? Maybe they should be more defined meals? But I find it difficult to eat a lot in one go (except recess).

I never, ever go Macdonalds or Burger King. Some fast food occassionally, preferrably Subway or KFC.

Also, little question... How often should I shit?

Fair enough... Elaborate more on Gatorade as protein, but as I said before it contains none...

Thanks a lot for your response dude. This is a fucker of a post.


EDIT: Also, just weighed myself and got a body fat reading.

I'm 72.0 kg, and I have a body fat of 19.1%

Three days ago I was 71.1kg, and had a body fat of 18.9%.

This scale takes into account age, height, and gender while making a reading. I am of 'normal' body fat percentage for my age and gender, which is of the 18 - 25 percentile range.
This works by sending an electric impulse through the body, I THINK to encounter resistance of fat as it passess through tissue, this is how it makes its reading. User must be barefoot. Quite nifty.

Dude start your own commericals and your on own product line with THAT as the fucking moto. Get on tv and point at the camera.. "They're about having the BALLS to do the work, DO YOU HAVE BALLS?"

Cutscene.

masterpiece. No doubt what you said is right. Its all willpower. I know a guy who lost like 100 pounds in nearly like 4 months (i think that was how long) eating only tuna, drinking water, and taking vitamins. He was hardcore about it.

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Bodybuilding.com the best bodybuilding site on the internet? My ass.

If you're fairly new to these type of things, any type of forum that talks somewhat serious about lifting weights can come off as "the best". Not to say Im some sort of know-it-all on this subject, because I ain't, but my best tip would be to read a shitload of pretty much everything you can find that seems somewhat serious. Just because some dude on a forum claims to be a big bodybuilder/powerlifter/weightlifter doesn't mean he really is what he claims to be, and even if so, he doesn't intantly know everything, or anything at all. Just read more in-depth stuff on different sites to see different perspectives. In the end, I guess it can be hard to determine what's right and what's wrong, and that's where you gotta try out the theories yourself, and find out that way.

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In the context of problematic's issue, I can't help but wondering at this tunnelvisioned focus on machines, machines, machines. I know for a fact that quite a lot of my friends at dance school doesn't do any other type of training than what they get from the good olf-fashioned work-out that has accompanied dancing since dawna timea. That is, dozens of variations on the various types of exercises that just require your own body, and, of course, the balls to do some hard work.

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My shoulders are too stiff and I feel like working out again, but I know that if I do I'll just get buff and stiff. My sensei told me about a book of unorthadox exercises for martial artists wanting to lift weights he read once but I can't find one on the subject.
I also keep forgetting to buy some rubber bands to exercise my hands (grip) in the opposite direction.
Oh, and yeah, my joints are getting better with that glucosamine shit. No more grinding.

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As far as the Gatorade and protein, go back and read. Gatorade will help your body process the protein you consume after you work out. It's not protein at all. It's probably more just the fluid intake that helps digest the protein. Do something that requires physical effort and then drink some gatorade with a peanutbutter on whole grain wheat sandwich.

If you're eating a lot of white sugar, white flour, or white anything you're short changing your health right there. Lay off that stuff. Eat foods as natural to it's God-given state as possible. You don't have to get ridiculous, but use discretion. And while you're looking at bodybuilding.com read some of the recipes there. There's some really good ones. Knock off so much juice, too. Eat the fruit instead.

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Just to add to what's been talked about recently, the hardest part I have with eating is affording all that food, it's ridiculous how expensive it is to eat 3,000 to 4,000 calories and 200g of protein a day. And for whoever said lifting doesn't increase overall health, this is completely wrong. It's obvious what it does for people that want to gain strength and size, and for those who want to lose weight, it actually burns calories long after the workout is over. It's all in the diet.

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Canned fruit has a lot of sugar.

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