Aha, seated incline, nice. Same here. To be honest, I was waiting to hear someone say "standing" and I was going to flame them

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I dont do too many BB curls any more ,they kill my inner elbows I do alot of the incline DBs and alot of cable curls,they seem to work constant tension on the biceps without the cheating you normally do with heavy BB curls.

I don't really exercise, but what's wrong with a standing curl?

Oh and I've got quite weak knees. Could someone recommend any exercises/stretches to help?

You should limit what muscle groups you work to 1-3 max...two hours is usually too much to be working out..you'll kill yourself.

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Every other day man......every other day. I also drink about 100 grams of protein per day to help. Like so.....

That workout........^
M W F Su T R Sa.....
and on M & W, I have Aikido from 9 to midnight.

I do my curls fucking standing.
By the way.....my biceps are finally getting bigger

@Muffmaster - I've always taken almost that long to work out......
@innards - because I want to be a big mother fucker.

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I've started working out at a gym 5-6 days a week. I do my upper body (shoulder, chest, biceps, triceps, back) one day and then my lower body (stomach, legs, back legs etc) the other day. I usually work out together with Humancorpse, but he's not there as often as me. The days he's not there, I'm working out with a weak guy who brags about how much he can lift, but in reality, he can't do a shit :P
I also do some stamina training. Sometimes I'm going cross country skiing. Though it can be pretty boring, it's the best work out method for stamina and calorie bruning etc.

Well, I must be doing something right. My old man pinched my butt yesterday in a store. I don't think he got the expected response, but I won't get into that. That's alright after knowing someone for 30 years and they still want to do that.

Anyways, my new slogan --My glutes are beautes!
Take THAT wally!

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You guys are doing too many muscle groups in one workout, it's not going to do shit for you. Try to limit the workouts to chest/shoulders,back/shoulders, biceps/triceps, biceps/forearms, triceps/chest, legs/abs, ect.

www.bodybuilding.com

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yes i heard to limit your work out to about an hour, anything way over that, you won't be gaining much, how true is this FBS?

If you can lift weights for more than an hour, not including warm-up, then there's something wrong with the intensity of your workouts. To put it bluntly, it's gay.

A two hour chest and arm workout is far too much.

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Yeah, some people do that as well, but the guy who's working there recommended that programme. I will probably change later though.

Can't say anything wrong about the results though.

If I were to lift as much as possible for each muscle only 30-40 minutes every other day, I'll never get anywhere. My muscles relax/shrink pretty damn fast.

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Post one of your workouts with reps and sets AND rest periods. Then we'll see.



You're so, so lucky I can't reach your jaw from here.

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I've got roughly 3 hours of Aikido tonight, so I'll use some paper/pen tomorrow and time everything according to The Sound of Perseverance. With that much information, it'll be a long list--so be warned.....

Oh, and I get water a lot throughout my workouts, so sometimes there'll be anywhere from 1-5 minutes inbetween lifts. Also, people are assholes and don't rack the free weights all the time, so I have to rack weights and put up my weights; so that's sometimes longer(or more if I've got to cut in with someone else on a bar or machine).
So in fact, there are little inevitable things that make the workout longer. I also try to make it to the rec center before it closes for the night, around 8pm-12am, when there are less people.


Now I'm off to orchestra rehersal.

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Hell yeah

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god man i went at a peak hour at my universities gym today, i was going for 3 reps on a heavy squat for me, then as i was descending for my 3rd rep, some idiot walks right by my bar and starts picking weights off the rack, totally lost my fucking focus and lost my balance and fell backwards, god did that piss me off, fucking retards at the gym.

And i did not fall because the weights were too heavy, after i was so pissed i upped the weight i was at by 20 lbs and banged out 6 reps, but falling when squatting is embarassing..and makes you feel like shit, lose all focus and motivation for awhile

When you can rep 55 lbs, then you can tell me how to do my curls. Until then, i will continue to stand.

I missed the previous remark until now.

Arguing about the best way to do curls is like arguing about the best way to solve the economic crisis in Southern Yemen.

WHO BATFUCKING CARES?

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Denise Austin and crushed tomatoes kicked my ass this morning. (I used the large size cans for weights cuz they were handy.) I'm drinking 2 fisted right now. Water in one hand and a shake of eggbeater, skim milk, and molasses in the other. I hurt so good.

fbs--My dad knocked my jaw out of place when I was a smart mouth brat teenager once and he wasn't a violent person at all. I've had trouble with it ever since so you might be doing me a favor and knock it back in.

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OVERTRAINING TO THE MAX

powers, did you ever stop to think that maybe you're not giving the muscles time to heal and rebuild? If you keep the movement going with no rest it would make the muscles weaker, I'd think, and keep them from getting any bigger. You have to have some patience, too. It doesn't seem like you've really been doing it that long.

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its jacqueline lalanne

For those who dont know Jack Lalanne was some fitness guru in the 60s and 70s , who actually was in great shape and still is around and kicking even though he's like 90

hahaha wow, blast from the past. My mom used to watch him when I was a kid. He used to have a couple white German shepherds on the show from what I remember. He is still in great shape for an old geezer last I knew. I think Readers' Digest had an article about him within the past couple years.

I struck up a conversation with a cashier in Sears yesterday about the mall walking and by the time we'd finished talking she said I'd motivated her to start doing a little more in the fitness area. I thought that was pretty cool and that gave me a little more motivation, too.

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I've been working out since the second semester of my freshman year, almost exactly 2 years ago.

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Here is comes, sane. Tonight's workout started around 7:30pm after Aikido weapons training and ended roughly 1 1/2 hours later.

LEGS

Quad stretch....uhh, you know that thing that you posted here some time ago that you were so proud of finally being able to do--put a bench bar on the ground with weights stablizing it. Face away from it with your feet underneath the bar, then go up and down. Well, I can't do one, so I use this exercise to stretch my quads out. For about 2 minutes, I just leaned forward every 5-10 seconds stretching them out.

rest 1 minute

Deadlift
135lbs, 2 sets of 3 reps
155lbs 2 sets of 2 reps
(30 secs rest inbetween all sets)

water break 2 minutes

Squat
135lbs 1 set of 3 reps
225lbs 2 set of 3 reps
275lbs 2 set of 3 reps
(30 secs rest inbetween all sets)

water break 2 minutes

Standing Calf roller machine
100lbs 1 set of 10 reps
1 minute rest
140lbs 1 set of 10 reps
30 secs rest
200lbs 1 set of 2 reps
water break 30 seconds

Hamstring machine
60lbs (each leg) 3 sets of 5 reps
(30 secs rest inbetween all sets)

2 minutes of rest

ARMS

Bench bar press
135lbs 2 sets of 3 reps (1st set normal, 2nd set arms wider than normal)
155lbs 5 sets of 3 reps (arms wider than normal)
175lbs 1 set of 5 reps (normal)
175lbs 1 sets of 1 rep (wide)
(30 secs of rest inbetween all sets)

Water break 2 minutes 30 secs

Millitary bench bar press
95lbs 1 set of 5 reps (normal)
95lbs 1 set of 3 reps (wide)
rest 1 minute
95lbs 3 sets of 3 reps (wide)
(other than the above, 30 secs of rest between the others)

Water break 2 minutes

(Hammer Strength) MTS Row
80lbs (each arm) 5 sets of 3 reps
90lbs 1 set of 5 reps
100lbs 1 set of 3 reps
(30 secs of rest between all sets)

(Cyber) Eagle Fly/rear delt
I do these like so: 1 rep=both rear delt and fly....so 5 reps forward, then 5 reps backward equals 1 rep.
130lbs 5 sets of 1 rep
150lbs 1 set of 1 rep
170lbs 1 set of 1 rep
190lbs 1 set of 1 rep
(30 secs of rest between all sets)

Water break 3 minutes

Sitting dip
90lbs 1 set of 35 reps
30 secs of rest
140lbs 2 sets of 10 reps
1 minute of rest
180lbs 1 set of 5 reps
1 minute of rest
180lbs 2 sets of 5 reps w/ 10 secs rest between each

Free weight curls
35lbs 5 sets of 4 reps w/ 15 secs rest between sets
40lbs 1 set of 3 reps

water break 1 minute

(Nautilus) pulley machine
triceps (arms separatly, fast w/o rest)
40lbs 5 sets of 4 reps
50lbs 5 sets of 4 reps

1 minute rest

(arms together, slow)
80lbs 1 set of 10 reps
90lbs 2 sets of 10 reps
100lbs 2 sets of 10 reps
(15 secs of rest between all sets)

Free weight curl 50lbs for 1 set of 3 reps

end.
Went home, and drank 80grams of protein, because I forgot to drink one earlier today.


So this is basically my workout Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays.
I've had a bunch of changes to my schedule lately so this here TRSa workout only started last week. And before that, I did all machine exercises, with lesser weight.

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i got scared when I read that part, how can you possibly do all those exercises in ONE workout, atleast i can see why you are in there 2 hours at a time..

MAXIMUM OVERTRAINING

That's a damn long list...

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Yeah it is. But right now, 3 hours later, I'm all relaxed except for a slight soreness to my lower back and quads.

If you can suggest a better workout plan that is shorter and has an equal--or greater--result, then I'd love to hear it.

There's no way I'm overtraining. If I was overtraining, wouldn't I be having muscle and bone problems, difficulty sleeping and waking up, and stretch marks? Well, I'm not.

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hitting one body part a day
for example chest on mon, back tues, legs wed ,shoulders on thur, arms fri
12-16 sets per part hit it with enough instensity ,
work out should last 45 minutes there is no way on earth you could be training with any instensity doing a 2 hour session ,
I would hate to go to the gym if I had to be there 2 hrs a day it would be like a job not fun.
But hey if you like your way , keep it up

No, I can't do that. I only have 2-3 days a week to lift weights. Monday, Tuesday, and Thursday are my new Aikido days. Actually, I'll be lucky to make a Thursday workout, so it'd probably end up being 2 days a week, Tuesday and Saturday.

You must have not read my list then either? It looks pretty intense to me.

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Ok if you like it , then its cool.

That's not the point.

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The point is even Pros who are training for top shows like the nationals or the Olympia dont stay in the gym 2 hours , Its counter productive , Lee Haney said it best stimulate don't annihilate .
A 45 minute session with sufficent instensity will own a 2 hour marathon session, I would dread to go to the gym if I knew I was spending 2 hours every time. Now if you going for the gym hotties and you are taking in the eye candy , well thats a different story there, but as far as working out 2 hours , no way.

Even most metal bands gigs arent 2 hours .
do what works for you , but if you dont believe me ask FBS , he seems to really know his stuff.I

....and that, is exactly the point. I'm just waiting for his reply, if he ever does. Sorry, but the last couple posts of yours were just redundant from everyone else.

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ive been doing well the past few days at the gym

chest pressing up to 190 on a machine

curled 35 today

and weighed in at 151 this afternoon. plan to keep up my routine

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Tranny, it's from the pastries. That little extra sugar boost.

I'm teasing.

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i was at 148 at lowest last week. whatever. im not going to get weird about my weight. weirder than i already am

heres a question


whenever i do lat pulldowns my RIGHT only wrist hurts for about a second after. if it was something to do with posture, wouldnt it be both wrists?

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That's what happens when you don't do a couple minute stretch before a workout. Or/and, your right wrist is weaker then the left one, for obvious reasons I won't get into.

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Ok, Mr. Soft Error, we have two days a week to play with? If that's the case, I completely understand your need to do everything at once. There is of course nothing wrong with working everything at once! Just not like that. Your workout is a mess of contrasting reps and ranges, and full of stuff you don't need to do. I can't see what it's designed to achieve rather than to just 'touch everything'. This is the cardinal rule of program design - what is supposed to be the endgame of this program? What is it designed to DO to me?

Two questions, and then we can design you a program that rapes babies:

1) Do you have a dumbbell set at home, even a kiddy one?
2) Can you do basic bodyweight exercises, like chins, pullups, dips and one-legged squats?



Welcome back, Little Tranny Man, to my masturbating thread. Excuse me while I discharge a load on you - I'm not sure how your posture could affect either one wrist or both wrists. It probably has something to do with your hand position at full contraction.

However, that's a moot point. Here's the overriding concern - don't do lat pulldowns, ever. It's an awful kids movement that doesn't teach you to use your body tension properly, and it has fat potential to fuck up your shoulder girdle. Do chins. If you can't, I wrote a program quite recently that is designed to ease a beginner into chins (and dips, the other true bodyweight exercise of doom). If you asked REALLY NICELY, I'll give it to you.

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oddly enough theres no chin up bar at my gym. im not sure if i could do one or not, but ive been donig what i think are dips on my kitchen counter. sucking up your knees, lowering yourself as low as you can go and then raising again?

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Sounds like dips to me.

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one of my favorite things to do, but i dont do them with any set regimen. so i should.

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Yeah dips are pretty br00tal. Sometimes I will decide to give them a shot after benching and I can only manage a half of one. I'd like to start doing them more.

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No chin up bar? Put an Olympic bar on the top pins of a power rack. Presto, instant chin up bar.

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FBS are we right about dips? i can usually do about 5. i do them normally between two counters and then wedged into a corner

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My dad used a bar in the garage he stuck above exposed rafters.

He could easily do 40 overhand and flip underhand and pump out another 40.
Could smile the entire time.

But that's what 26 yrs in the USMC can do for a man.

Erm, depends on your set up.

These are dips.

These are bench dips.

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That's officially hardcore.

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much harder than the hanging off the counters while looking for snacks that i do.

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Post that in fucking English.

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that looks a lot harder than the hanging-off-counters-looking-for-snacks dip that i do

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He was a very skinny looking man but had surprisingly amazing strength. Stamina was more of his strong point though. Thos old craggy field marines could run forever. He was alot like Sgt Hart in Full Metal Jacket but alot nicer.

The most official hardcore thing I recall as a child though was he'd eat a cricket or grasshopper for just about anyone.
At first it embarrassed me but all my friends thought he was the shit. As I got older...I'd show him off.

Once he was drunk off his ass and fell off of a ladder....broke his ankle....he got up and walked about 15 ft and passed out from the pain. Came to....and drove himself to the hospital after he sobered up somewhat.
He refused to take the pain meds or the little Handicap Parking thing.
My sister stole the Lortabs and got her ass in big trouble for it too.

Sorry...it's too easy to ramble on about him.

Its ok if you want to ramble , besides most of whats discussed maybe not in this thread is Bullshirt anyway

.....

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its only been bullshit since you entered the thread

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ouch

whats a normal ish weight setting for a seated leg press? ive seen people doing 400 on the machine at the gym. im at 275 now and still increasing.


not just the tippy toe calf motion, the full extending and then compressing motion.

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400? Fuck Sam, you got some bad ass legs.

EDIT:Oops...

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Ive seen people almost 500 or 600 pounds on leg presses but most of the time they are doing partial reps which will only serve to tear your ACL or blow out your knees.
Your much better served doing squats , Presses are nowhere as effective as a real squats , since I never or rarely have a spotter I do them on the smith .
Another thing to remember weight generally dont mean shit .If you dont do a rep the proper way and cheat the fucker you can do alot of weight but if you do it right , you will use alot less but get alot more out of it.

Seated leg press.....uhhhh.........how much is 8 45lb weights

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yes but im very careful not to cheat on any machine

my spine doesnt bend and function properly so squats are out

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I want to beef up. I don't want to cut especially, but ya know, just enough to keep the main flab away. I want the bouncer look.

1) I don't have one here at school, and I do at my permanent residence 200 miles away.

2) do those where? At the rec center? Yes.

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do you have access to a squat machine , you could do those and it shouldnt hurt your back .

What? It's a rec center.

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What the rec center isnt like Golds Gym in Venice Calif.
WTF.

This is the rec center.

1st Floor Activity Areas

* Multi-purpose courts for basketball, volleyball, & badminton
* Indoor Soccer gymnasium
* 14,500 sq. ft. Weight & Fitness room
* Indoor Climbing and Bouldering Wall
* Outdoor Pursuits Center
* Administrative offices
* Sidelines Deli
* Member Services Desk
* Fitness assessment room
* Lap pool (25 yds, 8 lanes)
* Leisure pool and spa
* Lounge & seating areas
* Men's & Women's locker rooms
* Outdoor lighted sand volleyball court
* Outdoor lighted basketball court

Level 2 Floor Plan 2nd Floor Activity Areas

* 1/8 mile track for walking & jogging
* Stretching area
* 2 Aerobic rooms
* Spectator area overlooking multi-purpose courts
* Meeting rooms
* Kitchen/break room

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*hmmmm?*

*hmmmmmmm!>***

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTttTYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!

Oh. and 'gay'!'!!

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The thing is about those, different machines can be different.


Oh and FBS, those 1 1/3 benches are brutal on pecs. It makes total sense, and it hits my chest harder and arms less, because the weight is low most of the time. Thanks for that And I've also been taking amino acids, drinking a shitload of water, and eating better foods, more times a day with smaller serving sizes. It's odd, eating better after a workout and drinking water prolongs my pump... good I'm assuming?

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dont bother talking to fbs untill he sobers up...


its a cybex machine, if that matters. and i dont think the weight'd vary that much

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Oh, you're talking about the one at the University of North Texas. I used to go there when I was on holiday in Texas.

Is that what's wrong with fbs? I never would have guessed. (sarcasm)

MTM--yes, that's very good.

I didn't see the news show, but my mom was telling me there was something about some facilities up around Cleveland that were dirty as hell. The water in the spas had worms of some sort in them and the equipment was germ infested. Just something to observe about where you're going to work out.

I'm glad I'm too shy and self conscious to go to a gym again.

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dont be shy, you're there to make a change and you have to start somewhere. i was doing arm extensions with , absolutely no joke, 1 pound and struggling. this was of course a result of surgery but i still went and now im ready for 20s. besides, everyone else is too busy worrying about themselves to notice what you're up to anyways

and the old people at my gym think im hercules.

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That post sounds like a sober FBS.

Yeah I'm stronger than alot of kids in my weight lifting class, just because I actually lift every day.

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Thanks for the words of encouragement. I told a lady about my age the other day that I feel better now at almost 50 than I did when I was 18. I know I'm a lot stronger. That really impressed her. She said she goes gung ho for awhile and gets bored. I told her to take baby steps and she'd probably do better. I think that works best for me so who knows. Contrary to some opinions I'm not quite dead yet.

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Hah really, you beat me to it.


Also, I've been deadlifting. Holy shit, I didn't know what I was missing. Ive never got a better back movement in my life. I could do seated rows all day and it wouldn't compare to three or four sets of deadlifts. Also works shoulders and delts rather well. To everyone that is bodybuilding currently: START FUCKING DEADLIFTING!!

edit: Go deadlift, now!!

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Yep. Deadlifting is king. My favourite back lift (apart from chins, of course) is a deadlift variation called a suitcase deadlift. The bar is by your side and you lift it with one hand. It's absolutely brutal on the lats because they have to massively contract to stabilise the torso. Of course, I have to go one step further and make the bar weight entirely out of small plates to the movement starts lower to the ground! I can suitcase about my bodyweight each side, and the next day my upper back gives birth. Through my face.



Just what the hell is wrong with you??

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whats the problem

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I'm sure you ment beer?

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Awwwwwwww.

Here, I made you a little motivational present.

Captain Blubber's Creed.

That should get you moving.

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LBXXX exercises, just not at a gym

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And that's supposed to make me stop making fun of her for being fat and old?

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hahaha I'd be a beanpole if laughter made one thin!!! [irrelevant cuntblather snipped courtesy of PST 88]

fbs, pay attention! in my sig it says --My glutes are beautes! -- And that's the truth. That was a cool little poster. I had to get a magnifier to see the darn thing, but I managed. I may have to hang that on the cupboard where I keep my Twinkies and Moonpies. So glad you're so concerned.

No, I don't work out like you do. I think it's great that you do what you do. I'll try to be more like you, fbs, but I'm keeping my hair.

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That is as it should be.

Your first task, glutey acolyte, is to hurt someones feelings and enjoy it.



I can't stand a useless post, so let's have a FBS exercise tip of the day:

You are mostly teenagers and young men. If you are trying to gain muscle there is one and only one way - gut out big compound movements, sleep 8 hours a night and eat like a starving Biafran let loose on a Las Vegas buffet.

Everything else is secondary. Don't waste a single thought on about volume workouts, supplements, advanced methods, personal trainers, cardio and even my more esoteric advice. If you don't eat, sleep and squat, you are wasting time asking other questions.

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I eat burgers and squat. My sleep is all right.

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im asleep by 900 every week night.

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9pm? What the hell for?

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What the hell is the difference between different juice percentages in....well "juice."
I bought some apple juice that contains 100% juice, and yet for the same price and same nutrition info--exception: ingredients--I can get apple juice with like 40% juice.

Besides the concetration of juice, is it better to drink the more concentrated one?

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A juice with '40% juice' will have more water, sugar and additives in it as opposed to 'pure' apple juice. Its better to drink juice that isn't from concentrate overall though.

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because from 9-6 is the amount of sleep that i need to feel 100% rested. i accomplish everything i want to during the day hours and have no reason to stay up past 9 on weekdays. i get plenty of shit for it, but getting enough sleep is important

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You know, I never put a lot of interest into that until I was relatively alone for awhile and was sleeping about 8pm to 5am. I was ready to get up and tackle the world then. But life got in the way of that and I don't sleep those hours anymore. I do have to start getting better and more sleep. I've got a nervous twitch in my eyelid that's driving me nuts and I think there's a pinched nerve in my arm somewhere cuz my arm's been going numb for about the past 3 or 4 days. Just enough for pins and needles. Old and falling apart.

The 100% juice is better for you, but the fruit is better cuz of the fiber and complex carbs it has in it. Juice goes into your system fast and leaves fast.

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You get up at 6?! I never get up before around 8.

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Here here.
When I first started drinking apple juice, milk, and grape juice this past year it would upset my stomach if you know what I mean. Now I can drink 2-3 glasses of each--or all three--every day and be perfectly fine. With the 100% juice stuff. And I've found a good taste for Vitamin D milk.

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when do they start school in norway? jesus

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damn, I wish I had time to sleep that long! I always get to much homework and spend lots of time on that, some time on working out, lots of time eating and the rest of the time infront of the computer/TV. I normally go to sleep around 23:00, and wake up 7:15, sometimes 6.

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8:30 usually. mohahahahha

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Ahh, fuck, brilliant. I am going to go to that, right now.



Unfortunately, no.

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mine starts at 8.45 and thats the earliest...

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Hah, mine starts at 8:50 (at the earliest).