I'm getting sick of the fact that you draw breath, as it happens. I wasn't planning on mentioning it, but seeing as I'm 'jacking myself off' here, I may as well go all the way and discharge a fat sweaty load between those glassy pinpricks that your lying whoremonger parents called eyes, when 'squinty pissholes' would have been far more appropriate.

And why is your dribbly little thought-fart appealing to the common good? Why does this comment not address ME, the chief shit-slinger, the miserable egotist? Is the world going to take sides on your extraordinarily stupid little wet slap and tell me what a BIG MEAN KNOW-IT-ALL I am?

I spent several hundred posts staying out of this thread, biting my tongue when you displayed the stunningly superficial length and breadth of your knowledge and saying nothing, and I finally started posting because I have the time and I'm trying to be HELPFUL. In amongst all the unpleasant shit that accompanies what I write is INFORMATION. This is all ABOUT SOMETHING. I am not just swearing at people and being pointlessly hostile unless they're XTRA-LBS or, now, you.

If you can't figure that out, you're dumber than I thought you were. And believe me, I already thought you were a tiresome adolescent twit.

I eat and live and study and breathe this stuff, so please trust me on one thing, even if you think my advice is as weak as that fucking overboiled noodle you call an arm: Watching a dull-edged pencil-neck shit-wit like you talk about muscle is like watching a blind man crack wise about the joys of Hustler magazine.

Sew your lips together and come up with a more productive idea that insulting me, pico-dick.

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walpurgis--You made Mozilla crash with that link. lol asshead

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Transient......Sane's bitching is a small price to pay for his fitness experience and advice.

All know-it-alls are arrogant, so live with it.

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No we aren't.


Well, my neighbor and I walked at the mall til her knee started acting up. My pedometer says 3035, but part of that wasn't the actual walk. 2.39 miles. lol We only did a couple laps and then part of one. Burned less than 100 calories, but that's okay.

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I love the 'I'd believe it if it were John Holland.' Let's compare credentials:

John Holland: Likes to drink vodka, come online, and post incoherently about having drank vodka. Occasionally uses what pass for difficult words, though thankfully less now than before. Is almost certainly a mesomorph and knew a little bit more than most teenagers about the value of research, so his foray into bodybuilding was fairly successful, and we so love pictures of shirtless metaltabbers that this is enough to assume he's an authority.

far_beyond_sane: Has a degree in this stuff and is an accredited personal trainer. Trains athletes of various types. Was considered by Qantas for instituting a physical training system for their pilots. Reads books about this stuff obsessively, often annoyed by how simplistic they are. Writes books about this stuff. Has had a serious commitment to training since before I met him, which means that his obsessive search for method is older than this century. Does some unusually nasty exercises without hurting himself or whining like pounded-out pussy.

You don't have to like him, but he's certainly got an edge on everybody here when it comes to knowing what he's talking about. So, if you'd take it from Holland because of some idea about his knowledge, you'll probably have to take it from Jim, unless logical consistency isn't your thing.

I meant no dis respect ,I was just stating alot of trainees today dont do those excellent movements albeit rarely done today .
As far as machines ,I use both,Some are really good such as smith machines ,hammer strength ,Of course I use free weights as well .

as far as the mucle mags are concerned they forget to tell you that bulky mcgee is cycling test , winstrol , dianabol , and GH , so he would grow on a cruddy routine and eating crappy hamburgers.

no, you dont have to be a boring prick to be a know it all. and stop using so many fucking adjectives

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Adjectives? Moi?

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Alot can be said about fbs, but boring dosn`t quite fit

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scan the recent posts for sentences containing more run on sentences than periods

by the way i dont want to turn this thread to shit because its a great resource

either to the rtt or ill shut up now

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I don't see these run-ons, or an abuse of adjectives. Nobody's been copying and pasting Thomas Wolfe novels here.

I benched 350 today. Hurray for me!

if you ask me his sentence structure, in an attempt to be witty and insulting, is much too wordy and uninteresting. brevity is not a word in FBS' dictionary

but really, i dont want to mess up this thread


speaking of fitness, i only did weights today. im thinking im going to cut down on aerobic and increase lifting as ive hit a weight im satisfied with

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Awww. Does the big chains of words hurt oo's brain? Let me put this in terms you'll understand then.

SHUT UP, CUNT. OR MUMMY WILL SMACK.



You are, of course, completely correct. There are some things you just can't do without a Smith (although they're few and far between), and 'machines' aren't a linear category where they're all gay without exceptions. It's handy to have things like TruSquat, Hammer, a good low-pulley system etc. around... you just don't NEED them.

Now, you know who John Grimek and Reg Park are..... what's your story?

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alright, a legitimate question for FBS then. is benching on a smith better or worse than benching with free weights? you dont have to stabilize as much so is that good or bad?

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Worse, for several reasons.

1) You WANT to stabilize the weight. It's a very 'bodybuilder' conception that the body can be broken up into bits which can be worked one at a time. The correct way to think about lifting stuff is in planes of movement and in terms of the movements themselves. Most thinking about the Smith Machine says "you'll do more work on your prime movers and less on your stabilizers so you'll look HYUGE quicker". This way of thinking is spectacularly stupid and outdated for a hefty bag of reasons.

2) Pattern overload. We don't have to carve this one up. Trust me, it's bad. Your natural 'groove' for pressing a weight off your chest isn't exactly straight, it's kind of hooked at the end. You can't replicate this pattern of movement without something that moves in three dimensions.

3) Smith Machines usually don't have safety bars like power racks. Ever dropped a heavy bench on your throat?

4) The 'safety hooks' on a Smith are gay. Ever tried to do a maximal set of something and then try to twist a couple of hundred kilos so the hooks will engage and rack itself? It's the last thing you need, and without a spotter can be dangerous.

If you're doing bench throws (where the bar leaves your hand, flies up in the air and you catch it on the way down) then you need a Smith. And because you're not a powerlifter, I heartily recommend you stay away from bench throws unless you want to die of bar-in-face. All other pressing movements should stay away too.

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i LOLed at bench throws. hell, no i won't be going near that

the smith machine seems so damn practical but i have heard that stabilizing is a good thing.

whats the best meat for protein? accoring to the recipe for tonights dinner, the porkchop had 27 grams. not bad...

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Chicken Breasts...high in Protein, extremely low in fat.

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numbers, though? we eat a lot of chicken around here. good to know

edit

how does a flank steak stack up interms of protein? real tough and not fatty

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Man you don't need to have fucking numbers while working out...workout properly and eat properly...everything else is a waste of time...unless you plan on becoming Mr. Universe. I know guys that are 4 of me and they don't follow diets.

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Beat the shit out of it with a meat tenderizer and it will break down the fibers so it won't be so tough. I've been using one on boneless skinless chicken breasts just to even them out and they're wonderful for that, too.

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All meat has approximately the same amount of protein, about 21g/100g of wet weight (uncooked).

Some meats have more or less fat (lean cuts go down to 1 or 2g/100g), mono/polyunsaturated fatty acids, iron, CLA, creatine, and various other zoochemicals.

But that shit is all largely irrelevant. It really comes down to a few things:

1) Cost. 100g of smoked salmon protein costs more than 100g of chicken protein. Big fat duh.
2) Taste. I like kangaroo, myself. That's because I can get it here and it's a powerful, dark red, gamy meat. However, a lot of people think it's disgusting. (they're wrong, of course).
3) How much you can eat at any one time! Don't laugh. Some people have trouble with steaks and other fattier meats. Personally, I think they're deranged.

You see, from a proteinous perspective, anything that used to be alive and move around is a complete protein. Why? A complete protein is one which has all the amino acids you can build a muscle out of. If you eat a muscle, that pretty much assures you can build one out of it.

In conclusion, vegetarians are gay and wrong. Dead animal protein is awesome.

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I know guys who play rugby for professional teams who don't 'have numbers'. Why? They were born huge and don't care how fat they get. So they pick mostly the right stuff, and shovel. It's very easy for them. But emulating their dietary habits is a fucking bad idea. People write whole books about those 'numbers' because they're important.

That being said, you're almost exclusively teenagers here, and that means you have WAY more leeway to eat shit and cut up rough, even than I have (and I'm soooooooo much older than you).

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I ate one of those party size pizzas, two hamburgers, and a protein shake last night for dinner. Then I downed a lot of water.

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I can gain weight like a 40 year old mother(sorry lbxx, no offence)..I'm bordering 20. I eat junk food, in moderation(chocolates bars almost everyday ha) I only workout like 1-4 times a week if that these days...frankly, I've stopped obsessing about it and mentally I've been more happy with myself.


My advice, don't take it so seriously..you will become obsessed with the "ideal" body imagine, what other people look like, what you look like and how other people perceive you.

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I disagree.....I doubt you can be fat and ugly, and be completely--physically--fit.

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I didn't say I was completely fit, I'm obviously not. Yet, in enough shape that people still ask me if I still workout(which I do), but I don't push myself like I used too...and besides...why have a 6 pack when you can have a keg?

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A keg gets in the way. And what happens if someone punches you in the stomach? Guts are weaker.

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In most cases, but you can get a cirrous harden gut with plenty of drinking!

Gettting big is for intimidation mostly...I know a lot of guys that are little bitches but look big on the outside. lol

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I told the old man that and he said that I'm not 40. I'm almost 50 and then he called me an old bat!

Guess who ain't getting any tonight.
Currently drinking champagne again and waiting for the pork roast and carrots to finish cooking. He's got that keg you were talking about, but you wouldn't want to piss him off. Ask wally.

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Yah I was going to say 50 year old grandma but I was trying to be nice.

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I'm already a g-ma and I'm looking forward to being a red hatter so BRING 50 ON!!! I'll have a firmer ass when I'm 50 than I did at 17 and a better tum tum, too!

You kids SUUUUCK suck suck suck suck. hehe
Good champagne, too! Cheers!

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you made me pop one

I read alot of the muscle rags , hear about IFBB pro craig titus getting arrested for murdering his private secretary .
even though most pros would kill arnold in todays arena arnold in his prime is my favorite .I read arnolds book the education of a bodybuilder , He talks about Reg Park sergio oliva .
Its a old book but really cool.

me too

You guys are nuckin futs.

Is that the Arnold book that's like a 5 inch thick dictionary? Bob bought that and read it cover to cover. He learned a lot from it. I could barely get a grip on it to lift the darn thing! He said he'd take it to read for something to do when he did his laundry on the base.

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no thats the encylopedia of body building which is awsome as well , the arnold book is the education of a bodybuilder , he talks about his upbringing and the early days and even there he has an almost superhuman will to succeed .
and whose nuckin futs , I never heard of him ???

my brother? No, the 2 of you for saying that.
I get to go see if the oatmeal and walking has lowered my cholesterol or weight any. Maybe I should have walked in the oatmeal. Hmm....

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New record today - managed three consecutive wide-grip fingertip chins. An awesome exercise, done using a rock-climbers hang board.

I have never been in a gym that has a hang board.
I have never been in a climbing centre without a hang board.

The average gym rat has a back spread like an anorexic quail.
The average climber has a back that looks like a litter of anacondas stuffed into a skin bag.

Coincidence?



Do you have any idea how much I want to punch you in the vagina?

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Fingertip chins....is that like a pullup but using fingers to pull, and not a hand grip?

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yes alot of the people i normally see at the gym never train their back. I think its because people are always talking about how much they can bench press and curl that they totally ignore the back. I use to be one of those people, even when i "trained" my back with petty exercisese ( machine rows and latpull downs , yes that was all the work i did for my back) it never felt sore and never saw a improvement, so i went back to benching.

fortunately for me i figured out the importance of having a strong back just yesterday i broke my old record of hammer chins for a grand total of 10 in one set! wooo

hey fbs, is there a major difference in growth when you compare wide grip pull ups with hammer grip or normal chinups? For lat development which one would you recommend?

Well, damn! You should have told me that earlier! I just went for a pap test and I've gotta go get another toadstool looking thing removed from inside. Maybe you could have knocked that sucker out of there and saved me another bill. Just like a man to be too early or too late. tsk tsk

My cholesterol was down as a total, but my good dropped again. Gotta go back in 3 months. The BP, ticker, lungs, sugar, and all that stuff was fine.

Looks like I'm gonna live! Aren't you pleased???

Anyways, my weight was only down 1/2 pound so I don't even count that and I'm still 5'8" so that's good.

I'm really surprised you guys don't work your backs more, but I guess since Tranny and I both have assorted back problems we might think about those a little more often. Strength and flexibility are musts there for me, I know.

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Please, noone congratulate me on finally benching 350. I havn't been striving for it for the last 2 months. It wasn't a personal goal of mine. I posted it here, with a fucking exclamation point, for the sole purpose of being ignored. Contrary to the societal norm, i DISLIKE praise and congratulations. I mean, why would anyone congratulate me? I only benched 350. Pussy weight, i say.

How many kilos is that? My uncle takes 200 kilos when doing bench press. Beat that.

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1 pound = 0.45359237 kilos

Your uncle wrecks my day.

FBS, how much do you bench press, squat, curl, and military press? Sorry if you've already answered, but i'll be fucked if im going to search through 50 pages of filth and misinformation. If you don't feel like answering, feel free to call me a cunt. Or, knowing you, you will probably answer AND call me a cunt.

350 is amazing weight.

I do sets with 100-135 pounds. Never tried to see what my max was. Im not interested.

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God damn, must have felt awesome.

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You're 17, almost 18. There's no way I'll believe that unless I see it.

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haha, i can accept that. you would believe me if you saw me though.

are you natural or jacked ???
not to be funny , a legitimate question , BTW congrats its a nice weight.

completely natural.

Dedication > steroids

It's totally possible for a 17 year-old to bench 350. When I was that age, a classmate of mine could bench 450. He could also do some terrifying things with things outside the weight room and was, generally, frighteningly psychotic. Had been since I met him as a kid, but since, as a kid, he was normal-sized, it wasn't as much of a problem.

My point? Rapture's a pussy.

Nah, just kidding. Congratulations.

anything in my opinion over 315 for a natural trainer is a fantastic weight , steroid users can bench alot more but they pay the price with torn muscles and ligaments.
Me personally have nothing against steroids ,If used properly under qualified medical supervision.but the problem is that most people abuse the shit out of them and have no idea what they are doing. Steroids work every pro body builder and top amatuer is on em and dont believe for a second when they say "Im natural" bullshit.

Steroids are illegal. There is no....medical supervision.


I just finished tonight's 2 hour workout. I did 225lbs on dead lift and squat. They were sets of 2-3 max reps too, and I did them with fresh energy--however starting on 135lbs. Pretty good I think for not have done any major leg work for more than a month.

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Rapture benched 350? First I thought this was a complete joke..I could see maybe 200...post pics of yourself and maybe I'll beleive it...naw I won't.

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Fbs has been kicking everyones ass aorund this thread. I haven't dont this much laughing since... well.. his suggestions for that noob's band name thread, heh.

My benching had gone from 115 to 155 for finishing sets of 10 in the last three months or so, which I'm not totally satisfied with. I am 6'4'', so my arms are as long as hell, which don't really help (although Lou Ferrigno was 6'5'' and that didn't seem to slow him down). It seems I have to work my chest 10 times harder than any other muscle to show any growth. And it doesn't look much bigger, either. I switch between decline/flat/incline dumbbell, olympic bar, and flies with dumbbells. My dad was a bodybuilder for some time, so he pretty much kicks me in the ass if my form starts to suck, so thats not a part of the problem. Any suggestions?

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wrong
If you have low testosterone levels a doctor can prescribe testosterone cypionate which is an anobolic steroid and thus it is legal.
You have to have low levels of course but it can be prescribed legally

So much could be said. Here are 10 quick answers.

a) Bench heavier. Piss off that 10 rep protocol garbage and take it down to 3-5's. Do more sets. Aim for 25-30 total reps in a session, no sets over 5. Rest 90 to 120 seconds between sets. Run that for 4-6 weeks, benching heavy every 5 days.

b) Incorporate the following movements which cuntpunch the chest:

1 1/3 rep bench press

Lower the bar to your chest, push it up 1/3rd of the way, lower it down again, press it back up to lockout. That's one rep. Why this movement? Lower half of the movement is more pec dominant.

Wide-grip bench press

Self-explanatory. Wide grips hit the pecs harder.

Pullovers

These rule, allowing you to put the pecs under a great deal of stretch and move a lot of weight. Google them to find the form, they're common.

Dips

Another stretched position movement, another killer. Again, google. Easy form.

c) Learn to bench properly. Do you have a flat back? Do your feet flap around like rainbow flags? Do you make grunty noises and thrash around on the bench? If so, you are practising to be a Transient-level gimpofag and not getting the optimal results out of your most effective chest movement. Read this article, which is excellent.

d) Finish your workout with loaded pec stretches. These are fucking feral. Lower two dumbbells into the bottom flye position and see how low you can get them. You should get a massive stretch over your chest. Give it 30-45 seconds. Don't jerk it around, do it slowly and carefully. Prepare for serious soreness.

e) Make sure you're getting enough big movements to grow overall. If you're not squatting and deadlifting, fucking learn! These movements do everything. Seriously. They're wonderful. If a deadlift had tits, I'd marry it.

f) Make sure you're getting proper post workout nutrition. That is, quick digesting carbs and protein. Straight after weights. Every time. No exceptions. Ever.

g) Some people can't gain mass without eating everything you see. Perhaps you need to up your calories in general.

h) Patience. Your training age is probably

i) Strengthen your arms. Can't work the chest without these things. Best exercises to make sure your arms don't possess T3H F4G - chins, pullups and deadlifts.

j) Train harder and don't be gay. But also don't work to failure.

There's never one answer to these questions.

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I meant professionally in the case of body building. Just because they're legal for a person who's sick or whatever, doesn't mean they can use it for competitions.

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So true....

What do deadlifts have to do with chest and arms?

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Silly question.

I always considered myself an idiot about these things, even back when I worked out heavily and researched it all. Now that I've read this thread, I realize that I only felt that way because I only talked about it with Jim. I wish you'd all been around when I cared.

I don't see how it's silly......I do the deadlift by just lifting the bar off the ground to a standing position, then set it back down. It just does the back and legs, right?

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Wow. Thanks for all that FBS, I will have to try most if not all of that. The only thing not new was the wide grip idea, I throw it in every few days I lift for chest, and it seems to help a bit. But everything else.. I never would have guessed that shit. Maybe thats why they call you a professional

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You don't need to target a muscle group specifically to help in working it. The body isn't made out of isolated bits having nothing to do with one another, or exercise would simply be a matter of isolated lifts, each doing its own job in its turn and giving way to one another, focused on specific, limited movements. Lifts such as deadlifts and squats, done properly, help everything and should be done a lot. As Jim's been telling you, multi-joint lifts are best, and not simply for the joints they're forcing you to bend and straighten.

Incidentally, you could find all of this and more out just like I did, by doing some damn research. It would also decrease the chance of Jim claiming your lifting form and muscle-flexing posed pictures scream 'I take it in the butt.' Just a suggestion.

The IFBB says they test for steroids, but do you believe Ronnie Coleman is natural , he is on every pharmaceutical known to man .
Im not condoning steroids , But the fact is they work , and every pro from the early 60s included used them . Dianabol isnt known as the breakfast of champions for nothing.Arnold lived on D-Bol.
Believe me Im not saying a 17 yr old kid should get his juice from the local gym dealer. Its just a fact of life .

Ehh, I don't have any. But whatever....I'm deadlifting now. That's all that really matters.

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Jesus fucking Christ, all I said was that they're not legal for competitors. End of story. You don't need to tell me irrevalant history trivia.

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sorry

DAMN STRAIGHT. Although, that might mean that you've merely succumbed to my perilously bad information as I 'jack myself off' here.

You asked about deadlifting and the bits it doesn't 'work'... Clear your head of the idea that certain movements are supposed to 'build' certain bodyparts. That's how bodybuilders think, and I'm repeating myself when I say it's gay and wrong.

When you perform a big lift, you have to keep isometric tension in your entire body. Try this: Get into a deadlift position, then relax your torso, let your arms hang, and breathe out. Now try to lift the bar.

HA! Can't do it! You can't maintain enough tension to support the weight. The abdominal/lower back muscles especially aren't being utilised.

Now, instead get into position, lock your back (lordic) curve hard, push your shoulders down flexing your traps/lats, bend those knees down to the bar, take a huge breath and hold it as tension in your chest (think about keeping your chest up) and contract those legs. BAM! The bar flies off the floor, gets stuck in the ceiling and you get kicked out of the gym.

The management of tension is crucial for big lifts. Here's my checklist for a squat:

Feet: Wide, toes out. Try to 'spread the floor', pushing out hard.
Knees: Push out at all times
Hips: Sit back into the squat not down, feel the tension in your hamstrings.
Lower back: TIGHT AS A FUCKING TWO-YEAR OLD. Back curve locked hard.
Upper back: Pinch shoulderblades together so hard you can trap someone's hand between them.
Arms: Grab bar at comfortable width and try to tear it apart. Think about pulling the bar out, trying to make it longer.
Chest: Tits up!
Head: Drive head back into the bar.

Then, take a huge breath, hold it, push your stomach and chest out and take the rep. That little list is the kind of thing a powerlifter either consciously or unconsciously does when squatting.

Now, paydirt: this tension consists of isometric muscle contractions. There is nothing wrong with isometric tension to grow muscles. Don't believe me? Ask a gymnast. This is why I say big lifts work everything.

A few more things:
* Muscles don't grow in isolation. If you want bigger arms, it's easier to get them with a bigger everything else.

* Big lifts are the ones which are create a hormonally favourable environment. Lots of details could be written about this. I won't.

* When you deadlift, you have to hang on to the bar with your hands. How does that not qualify as having something to do with your arms? When you deadlift 180-200kgs, you suddenly start to discover just how HEAVY some things can feel.

Also, everyone please stop talking about steroids.

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Not to upset you or cause a problem ,but steroids are a fact of life .Go to any big gym alot if not most of the trainees are using it.Im not saying its right .But you can't ignore it.
Thats all I will say , not looking to cause problems.

Just like a teenager...has to get the last word in right??


I did those deadlifts like this.....http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/200...rontofknees.wvx

Which is from...http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/toddblue38.htm

And basically exactly like you said......though without the colorful metaphors.
And my legs, back, and arms are fucking sore as hell. Though I did a ton of bench press as well.....

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Just one little helpful fun way to work out, do indoor rock climbing if you can, youll be more worked out coming out of climbing than any standard exercise. It builds arm strength fast, and to me its more fun than lifting a bar over and over

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For fuck's fucking fucked off fucking sake!!!! I didn't say steroids are bad, steroids don't exist or steroids should be ignored. I said STOP TALKING ABOUT THEM.

Why?

1) Your collective knowledge of training is limited. This is fine, most of this stuff isn't common knowledge. That's why we have this thread. However, your collective knowledge of steroid pharmacology is fucking atrocious. Every word said will be a dagger in my brain.

2) It's silly. No-one here is old or experienced enough to juice. I'm not, you're not, they're not. I'm not having an intensely gay & speculative conversation about an intensely serious topic.

3,4,5,6 & 7) Today, steroids are primarily bought and sold on the Internet. As a consequence, references to steroids and discussions concerning steroids are CLOSELY OBSERVED BY THE POWERS THAT BE, ESPECIALLY IN THE U.S. - AND THIS IS A PUBLIC FORUM.

EVERYONE TAKE NOTE: SHUT UP ABOUT ROIDS, OR I WILL SUSPEND YOU.


Note: This is not because I think it will be funny, this is because people will fuck you up the arse in prison.

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Good point, fbs.

One of wally's friend's is an avid climber and he made a rock climbing wall on the outside of his barn to practice on. I thought I'd mention that in case anyone had a sturdy walled building they could do something like that with. I think Bob said when he climbed there were mattresses below since he was a novice and they came in handy once.

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Your son's cavernous white arse and gravity would be a potent combination.

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Yeah, especially when he was doing that. He was a little less muscly and a little heftier than now. Although he's always said he has a beautiful ass and everyone should have an ass as beautiful as his.

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That's commonly referred to as 'sarcasm'. He's perfectly well aware that his arse resembles nothing more than a giant blotched and mouldy Reese's Peanut Butter Cup somehow restrained from killing children by khakis.

As his mother, you have a lot to apologise for. You lumpen stoat.

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Wth is a stoat? Is that a piggish term? His butt's too pale to resemble a Reese anything. You're just jealous.

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Jealous? Of your son?

Absolutely.

I really wish I had your genes backfiring in my DNA, you pixel-polluting halfwit.

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You flatter me.

You might. I was adopted. Bet that ruined your day.

Seriously though you do give some good advice from what I can pick out. Machines and stuff like that I'm pretty clueless about, but its cool having a thread like this.

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Sore throat today. If this is like the last time I'm gonna kill myself. Did some shoulder/back/chest exercises at the gym last night.

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Right. Your son doesn't have your genes because you're adopted. There are no heavy metals in your diet, are there?

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"I really wish I had your genes backfiring in my DNA, you pixel-polluting halfwit."

No, what I meant was you and I might be related since I know nothing of my biological background. WE MIGHT BE COUSINS! hurrhurr

You can tell wally and I are.

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Hey FBS
How many times a week should I train Arms , Should I do Biceps the same day as Triceps or do a push pull type of routine such as chest delts and triceps the same day Back ,Biceps the next ?
thanks for any input.

I think that's the nicest thing you've ever said about me.

She eats a lot of lead paint chips, but other than that, not too many metals for her, unless she can manage them into a casserole

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Come off it. There's no answer to the question: "How many times a week should I train Arms?"

What's your program?
What are you trying to achieve?
What are your stats?
How old are you? How long have you been training?
What kind of equipment do you have access to?

We'll go from there.

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Ok fair enough , I know alot of the mags recommend once a week for each body part. I work out at a regular gym .I was just curious on your opinion.
Thanks.

Hey fbs, what do think about protein shakes? Do they help at all, or is the whole concept around them just bullshit?

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For someone who has used this thread frequently, don't you think you should already know the answer to that question? It's been discussed a lot on separate occasions.

They work. They're badass, but not everyone uses them; so It's not the end of the world if you don't feel like using it. I use it because I have a fast metabolism, and not much bulk to begin with. If I don't take protein shakes, I'll tear my limbs and tendons up.

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Yeah you`re probably right, just thought I`d ask anyway, seeing as I`ve been hearing its just crap alot these days ( not on here though.)

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So answer all the questions. Then I'll help.

FYI I do NOT recommend arm workouts once a week. I do not recommend anything once a week.

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Protein shakes are a dietary source of protein.

A lot of teenagers assume that the occasional protein shake means their diet is 'sorted'. It isn't. Fix your diet and then when you figure you're not getting enough protein, add them on the end. Not to replace food.

Protein shakes are at their most effective very first thing in the morning, and immediately following a workout.

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I usually drink one in the late afternoon, before a workout, and before bed.

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As far as my workout routine goes, I start with Dumbell flyes 3 sets of 10 with 35 pound weights. Then I curl those, once again 3 sets of 10. After that, I go to the barbells, and curl a 45 pound bar 20 times. Then I do some shoulder exercises I learned from the marines when they came to my school, but I put a five pound weight in each hand, and do these about 30 times on each arm, out to the sides and in front of me. After those, I go bench 3 sets of 10 on 110. Then, I do the closey machine. Then some back arms and then I go run.


Devourment is my favorite lifting music.

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I did today's workout listening to Old Man's Child Born of the Flickering and Pagan Prosperity on my little mini disc player.

squat - 135lbs, 185lbs, 225lbs, 270lbs
Bench bar press - 135lbs, 155lbs, 185lbs
Bench bar millitary press - 115lbs
pec fly machine - 130lbs, 150lbs, 170lbs, 190lbs
curls - 30lbs, 35lbs, 40lbs
tricep machine - 40lbs, 50lbs, 60lbs
sitting row machine - 90lbs...on each side
sitting dip - 90lbs, 140lbs, 180lbs, 230lbs

I did this whole workout like sane had said in an earlier post......I did about 6-10 sets of 3-6 reps of each of these with 30 or so seconds rest in between. Took about 2 hours to do it.

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Holy fuck... Why would you subject yourself to that?

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2 hours .isnt that along time to be working out , After 45 minutes im done.

When you guys do dumbbell curls, what position do you do them in?

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seated incline and preacher style.