OK I want a Kahler put on my Ibanez and so I phoned a guitar tech and he said the following

"OK Kahlers are horrible. Stick with a Floyd. By the way what tunning are you in?"

I replied " 2.5 steps down to B standard B,E,A,D,F#B with 13-56 strings"

He said "That's alot of stress on your bridge. I still say stick with Floyd Rose. Oh and I can't put a tremelo in if it a neck through guitar."

I said " It is a neck through and I already have a tremelo in there I just don't like it and want it replaced."

He then says "Well I can't replace it if it is a neck through. Look just bring the guitar down and I'll have a look at it."


What the hell? Is it true what this guy says? Supposidly they are the best set up shop ever 12th Fret. But these are the same guys who said you can't tune a tremelo system to B. Now they tell me this. I just need to know if it is true or not just so I don't make an ass out of myself or fuck my guitar.

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This guy seems like a dumbass.
Putting a Kahler on a guitar with a floyd would be a bitch. He may just not like Kahlers which is possible, but we all know Kahlers are better.
And B standard, you should have no problem with that as long as you have enough springs in the back. Besides you have it set up to that right now dont you? Theres many bands that tune super low with floyds..
Cant put a tremolo on if its a neck through guitar? huh. sounds like this person just doesn't want to do the job.

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The guy you were talking to was a fuckin retard.

1.Kahlers fuckuing rule
2.You dont need to cut the balls off, that makes it much easier to take the string out of the trem to replace a pickup and not have to replace strings.
3.You dont have to clamp that little end of the string in the kahler like you do a floyd.
4.They look better
5.From what ive heard they play and feel better, and have more sustain.

You can tune a trem to whatever the fuck tuning you want, you just have to know how to tune one correctly and have the correct springs/spring tension. B shouldnt be a problem, fuck kahler used to make trems for bass's thats a lot lower than be and a lot higher gauge haha.

I doubt these guys are the best ever, this guy sounds like a fuck ass. I dont know any reason why they cant do it on neck throughs, i know when i was talking to my lutheir about routing a neck pickup in my ran he asked me if it was a neckthrough.

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I agree with old Death above.
I know a shop that got real funny when a friend took a guitar in for a set up, nowt fancy, just action, intonation and the trem tensioning etc. But because he bought the guitar elsewhere the bod in the shop got all huffy about something as simple as that. He used a line like "all my guitars come set up properly...if you'd bought it from me.." Which is bollocks because they weren't all set up properly. In the end I did it for him for free, plus he got to see how it's done so he was able next time to do the job himself!
Plus years ago I bought a Marshall channel switch from another shop and it turned out to be faulty as every now and again it wouldn't switch from boost to clean or back. So with reciept I took it back to the shop where this pre pubescent cock dribble tried to tell me I was standing on the switches wrong that's why it didn't always work! Oh silly me, I thought those press on/press off stud switches were supposed to be stood on to press them on or off but no...he informed me you push your foot down on it then slowly slide your foot off, don't lift it off!!!!! I remained calm and asked him to fetch me someone who knew what they were talking about! I got a new switch and it still works to this day!
So on conclusion a lot of people in music shops talk out of their arses or worse, get really snobby because they can play Dire Straits and you want to play grindcore and that's not music and it certainly isn't played by talented guitarists etc!
I would try some other techs till you find one that isn't a twat, and one who will help you get what you want and doesn't flob you off with made up shite bollocks. Try word of mouth, does any local guitarists know of some one who's reliable, good?

I'd rather wipe my arse on my money than give it to that bone head you had the missfortune to speak to

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So true

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Thats when you go in there, show them your kickass sweeping, give them a smile and walk out while their jaw is still on the ground.

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I have a kahler in my explorer. and that one didn't even have a tremelo to start with. and the guy at the local guitar shop didn't bitch or anything. he just did it and it works perfectly

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as soon as you mention a lower tuning then Eb you are instantly hated by guitar techs

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Sweet,does that mean you are going to get it routed?If so what did the luthier say it would involve?I've been looking to do it to my RR.

Why is that? Is it the whole "standard tuning is the best tuning!" bullshit? If so, that's fucking retarded.

I am sure you can find a better guitar technician than the guy you mentioned CasketCrusher(great song.) Like it has been said before, the guy sounds like a total anal swab.

Yeah I have an Ibanez Edge Pro on there already tunned to B. I just don't like the edge pros so I want a Kahler.

Yeah tell me about talking to those guys about a lower tunning. I was talking to him when he was working on another one of my guitars (tunned to Eb) and I said "Yeah so I got this Ibanez in B." He said "I hate 7 strings" I said "Uh..It's a six string tunned down." and the fucking guy says that is impossible!

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thats going in the sig!

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Standard is the best.

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Well, i forgot where i heard/read it, but it is supposed to be the best tuning because at E your guitar should have the best "tone".
And offcoarse, you don't need to downtune to sound heavy.

But it is retarded that techs are biased against lower tunings. Thats like a car mechanic refusing to service foreign car brands or something.

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For all of you that want Kahlers but have Floyds!

Kahler is coming out with a conversion bridge to be put on guitars with Floyd routes, so be patient. They are the same Kahler bridges but with a bigger chassis plate to cover the Floyd route, making it easy to install a Kahler without filling in the old route.

Kahler also sells heavy springs for $10 if you want to tune low or if you just want the wammy bar to have more resistance.

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In my opinnion, standard tuning is the best OVERALL tuning.
You don't really NEED to tune down to sound heavy, but you can. Sometimes, a song just sounds better in D then it does in standard. My friend who is a very talented guitarist wrote a song in Drop D, even though he plays in standard 95% of the time. The power chords just sounded better and more massive, plus since the chord changes were pretty fast, having to use one finger made it a lot easier.
Drop D is allright, sometimes. I was working on a riff couple days ago that was in Drop D that involved a lot of hammer on/pull offs/bends on the top string, and that string being loose like that really made it easy and cool sounding. I tried doing that in E, and it just wasn't really working out.
Drop tunings can be kinda gay if overused, but I really don't see what's the big deal with tuning down your whole guitar a half a step or a whole step or however many steps you like. You don't lose any of the playability and flexibility of standard E, but you can sound a little heavier and more pronounced. Especially if you don't have a bassist, in which case you want plenty of bottom end to fill out all that empty space.
The guitar has been around for a very long time, and it's been tuned to E standard for most of that time for a reason. It simply works best. However, like I said, I don't see why people would get their panties in a bunch if you experiment with different tunings. That tech is full of shit. Some of those guys just feel all high and mighty because they can intonate a guitar. I don't see how it is any of his concern what you like to tune to or play. His job is to set up your guitar if you ask him to, because you are a paying customer. People like that don't stay in business very long.

I don't have a Floyd on my guitar I got an Edge Pro. Is that harder to replace with a Kahler or easier?

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Well supposidly they are the best shop around. I mean The Rolling Stones take there stuff there to get setup. And my friend is all "It's the best place. They sell Fender and Gibson." and I said "What else?" he then goes "Nothing cause that's all you need." My dad's all mad at me cause he's one of those old guys who only play fender and what not. He was pissed when I showed him that a guitar can be tunned to B. He's all "But the guy at 12th Fret said..."
I think they are an old school shop who know nothing about metal guitars (even though any guitar can be metal). But they are the best place around town so it looks like I am stuck.

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It sounds as if this shop was at one time the best, but became to comfortable with that opinion. Making them today over confident idiots. Goes hand in hand with that whole "Fender and Gibson, what else do you need" attitude. It stings when you prove someone wrong that thinks they are right all the time, but they do it to themself by not keeping up with things and living behind an old opinion.

This is not just a thread about a guitar tech, but a lesson learned in life. Never believe you are THE best and never live behide your reputation.

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was that dude high or was he just fucking with u. khalers are awesome. the best part about them is u dont need to cut off the ball end like on floyds. and they stay in tune for a long ass time

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Look, man, who cares if the Stones take their guitars there? If they do, that is, considering that every major band has their own techs and crew and what not.
You are not the Rolling Stones. You didn't go on a world tour with your guitar and break the neck in three different places, you just need a tem replaced.
Just fucking take it somewhere else, or talk to another tech at that store if they have one.
To me personally, trems are just too much trouble to be worth a damn. They look pretty cool, but that's about it. Neither of my guitars have a trem on 'em and I never wished for one. However, to each his own, I'm not gonna tell you what to do with your guitar. Just look around town for different shops, though, you never know, you might just find a tech who is cooler and better than the guy you talked to. After all, just because he works at 12th fret doesn't mean he is necessarily responsible for the shop's stellar reputation.

amen to that.

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Yeah alot of people don't like trems cause they are too much work. But I have them on all my guitars eccept one. I don't really get bothered I mean It's sorta become second nature.

Yeah I am just going to look around town and see if there are any shops where the guys know what their talking about. Or I might just take it in the 12th fret and be like "Do this...NOW!" But they might fuck up...whatever I'll check around.

Thanks everyone. I knew he sorta sounded fishy.

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Seriously, this guy seems like a lazy fuck. Or he maybe be some elitist with something against Kahler. I dunno. Reguardless, he needs to tie his hair up, stop smoking pot, and do his god damn job.

I use the reference, because of a local guitar "guru." The guy is a moron. He put a chip in my paintjob, fucked my volume knob, and didn't set up my guitar right. Sorry, that has nothing to do with the topic, other than both are lazy fucks who don't know what they are doing.

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Yeah. I mean I think the guy I'm talking about knows what he is doing...but his knowledge is just very basic and limited.

True story: My buddy got a B.C. Rich Jr. V and he asked a different guitar tech to put it in C and when he finnally got it back the guitar was in D, he put a eraser like object under the trem bridge just to hold it up and one of the locking nuts was stripped. My friend goes "What the hell happend? I said C!" The guy goes "It's immpossible to tune a trem anything lower than Eb." Then I (who was with my friend at the time) say "But it's tunned to D!" then the guy goes "This is why I put an eraser underneath the bridge. Otherwise it would never be straight." I go "Uh...yeah it can. You addjust the sattle at the back of the guitar. It can go into A if he wanted." My friend finnally asks "Why is my locking nut stipped?! The trem is usless now!" then the guitar tech goes "Well just don't use the wammy bar." Man my friend was pissed. Anyway my buddy complained to the manager and the guy was asked to order a new set of locking nuts (with his own money!) and research on how you alternate tune on a trem. Guitar works fine now. Now people like that should never be hired in the first place.

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^^^Wow lots of guitar techs are fucking retarded^^^
I tought myself how to set up my floyd in D with 12 gauge strings.



Can't fucking wait

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Jesus christ man, thats just nuts.

when I took my guitar in for a new volume knob (douchebag who put in my new pickups years ago fucked some stuff up, and I was just getting it fixed), I picked it up and took it home to play on (i was in a rush).

I started playing, and noticed that the bridge pickup wasn't getting any distortion. I switched to another pickup, and sure enough they were. So I took it back, and tried to calmly tell them what happened. I had to leave it to go out to lunch. When I come back, the manager comes over, apologizes, and gives me about $30 worth of free shit (strings, capo, picks, etc) because I had to come back in. All in all I just wanted it fixed, but that was a nice bonus.

So yeah, managers can be cool.

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I wanted to drop kick this one manager in the teeth once at GC. He was a jerk.

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"can be," mate. But yes, some managers are arrogant shits who have 0 idea what they are talking about. And especially at chains like that; you'll be lucky to find people in management who have any idea what they are doing.

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