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Old 2005-08-17, 03:42
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Thumbs up Ian Guitars (my guitar project)

Early this year, I bought various guitar parts off ebay. after buying a body blank I decided to continue to buy parts for a guitar. as a project for me. $20 for the body blank, $20 for the neck (great neck for the price), $25 for the bridge, $15 pickup (pretty good sounding for the price), $20 tuners, and $15 strap lock. The rest of the parts I got from guitars laying around my room.

Since I lacked the proper power tools and skill to do the routing on the body, I contacted the luthier I use to fix my other guitars. He arranged for me to be his 'apprentice'. I worked on this guitar in his shop every wednesday for about 4 weeks. He basically guided me through most of the stuff. I did most of the work on it, just he made sure I was doing it right. I learned a ton of stuff.

This is what it looked like before

The first thing I did was make all the templates for the routing (not really as easy as it sounds). Then I did the beveling. I used a rasp to bevel and a file to smooth it out.
Good view of the bevels (this pic was taken after I did most of the routing)
after doing all the beveling, I started on the routing. I routed out the neck pocket, pickup cavity and the control cavity. Making the templates took longer than the routing did
I also drilled a hole from the pickup cavity to the control cavity, a hole from the pickup cavity to the bridge hole (for grounding) and a hole for the output jack.

So after that was all done, I sanded like crazy. 80 grit, 120 grit, 240 grit, 300 grit, 400 grit, then 600 grit. Was smooth as fuck when I was done. it was all ready for the finish. I chose a nice natural finish. Tung oil I believe it was.

After the finish

Now the that the finish was finished, all that was left was assembly and wiring. Bolt the neck back on, screw the pickup in, hammer the bridge posts in, drill the holes for the pots, wiring it all up, and string her up. the neck needed to be shimmed so i went ahead and did that. The action was perfect then. tune it up and rock out.
it plays and sounds great.

me playing it just after completing it.

Me, my guitar and Ted (the luthier)

On the wall

Headstock

laying down

The body

The back

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Old 2005-08-17, 03:51
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i respect the amount of work and planning that took. however the wood looks like a toilet seat and the shapes a bit large
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Old 2005-08-17, 03:53
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those pics really doesnt do the finish justice. looks a lot better in real life. and yes, the body is slightly larger than a standard jackson RR.
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Old 2005-08-17, 03:54
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Fuck yeah that looks cool

That musta been real fun doin that. I wish i knew a luthier.
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Old 2005-08-17, 04:38
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its ok, but if it were me doing it, i would use a shape more like this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/user010101/r.jpg

and i would get a 24 fret neck

and i would paint it

but, i still think it looks okay

lol, btw, this is gonna sounds pretty stupid, but you look a lot different to how i had expected you to looks like

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Old 2005-08-17, 04:43
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Thats pretty impressive man. If you are skilled at that, you could go to school for it and possibly aspire to become something great!!
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Old 2005-08-17, 05:03
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Haha that's pretty cool seeing as you made it yourself. How does it sound?
 
Old 2005-08-17, 05:10
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lol, btw, this is gonna sounds pretty stupid, but you look a lot different to how i had expected you to looks like

hah, what were you expecting?
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Old 2005-08-17, 05:13
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Haha that's pretty cool seeing as you made it yourself. How does it sound?

pretty good. the pickup isn't great, but i can change that out later.
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Old 2005-08-17, 05:18
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i respect the amount of work and planning that took. however the wood looks like a toilet seat and the shapes a bit large


Agreed (the planning/work). That made me laugh. You need to put a finish on the guitar, IMO. It looks stupid as a natural color with that body shape.

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hah, what were you expecting?


something not so... you.


I expected a bigger guy, is all.
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Old 2005-08-17, 05:25
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Agreed (the planning/work). That made me laugh. You need to put a finish on the guitar, IMO. It looks stupid as a natural color with that body shape.

It has a finish. i was going for a different look. i liked the grain of this piece of wood, so i decided on a natural finish. Anyways I built this for me, not you, so if you dont like it then i dont care.


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I expected a bigger guy, is all.

1. i wasn't asking you
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Old 2005-08-17, 05:27
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hah, what were you expecting?


lol, i kinda expected you to be short(er), with short hair and i kinda expected you to be blond aswell, lol, crazy ino

edit: btw, whats the neck made out of and whats the body made out of?

is the neck thin and smooth, or does it have a slightly more chunky and traditional feel?

and what pickup is init
 
Old 2005-08-17, 05:32
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silver maple body. maple neck, rosewood fretboard. The neck is not really thin, but it has a nice feel.
The pickup is a no name one i got off ebay. once again, it is likely to be changed soon, but its acceptable.
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Old 2005-08-17, 05:39
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Old 2005-08-17, 06:06
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I'm not too crazy about the shape, either, but the finish is pretty cool. If it was my guitar, I'd prpbably just paint the fucker black, but the natural finish suits it just fine.
Like I said, not too crazy about the shape, but at least it's unique, and you can be pretty sure you won't get sued by Jackson.
I never really thought about building my own axe, but you got me thinking about it now. Although, I don't have the time to hang out with a luthier and work on it myself, I'd probably just pay a pro. It's very cool that you did that, though; you can buy any guitar you wont, but it's never gonna mean as much to you as that one will. I'm very happy for you, man, enjoy it and fucking cherish it. Also, I think that since you put all that time and effort into it, the least you can do is get a decent pickup for it. I know you said the one on it sounds good, but chances are a Seymour Duncan will sound a lot better. Maybe on the pickup you can put a small piece of duct tape where it says Seymour Duncan and write you name on it in white out. 100% custom, and 100% hardcore.
Good luck with your axe, and I hope it serves you a long time.
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Old 2005-08-17, 06:09
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Old 2005-08-17, 06:13
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It has a finish. i was going for a different look. i liked the grain of this piece of wood, so i decided on a natural finish. Anyways I built this for me, not you, so if you dont like it then i dont care.

1. i wasn't asking you
2. pff, that RG makes you look like a dwarf.


Of course you did. But by posting it, you leave it open to discussion. And yes, I'm small. I'm not stupid.
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Old 2005-08-17, 13:57
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Looks a lot like a shortwing Rhoads Kick ass job...

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Old 2005-08-17, 15:59
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Good job. If that is the first guitar you've made then I can't wait to see what you come up with later. You could even refurb that one. It's fun to have a guitar just to modify and fix.

I refurbed this one last year. I saved it from a pawn shop in really bad shape. I refreted it ( leveled and crowned ), refinished the neck and fretboard, replaced the pups and electronics, reshaped the headstock, put in new black MOP inlays, new nut, and installed fiber optic LED side markers. I gave it the works. It plays and looks much better now.
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Old 2005-08-17, 18:17
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that's awesome soul!
those led markers must've been a bitch to install
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Old 2005-08-17, 18:17
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Thats fuckin incredible, I majorly respect your disipline (sp?) and your inspiration. You have inspired me to go and talk to my luthier, he doesnt look as badass as the one you were workin with. How exactly did you set up the apprenticeship? The body is kinda wierd, but its more like a classic RR, if it feels good to play on than i wouldnt even give a shit. Ive thought a lot about being a guitar tech/luthier. Im starting to get good at setting floyds up.


BTW soul that looks fuckin badass it must have been a bitch doin those led's
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thats pretty fucking snazzy, got another sexy project in the works?
 
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Thats fuckin incredible, I majorly respect your disipline (sp?) and your inspiration. You have inspired me to go and talk to my luthier, he doesnt look as badass as the one you were workin with. How exactly did you set up the apprenticeship? The body is kinda wierd, but its more like a classic RR, if it feels good to play on than i wouldnt even give a shit. Ive thought a lot about being a guitar tech/luthier. Im starting to get good at setting floyds up.


Well, I've known him for a few years now. He's the guy I'd always have fix my guitars. After I got all the parts I called him up and he agreed to help me out. He's just a super nice guy. So yeah.

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thats pretty fucking snazzy, got another sexy project in the works?

Well right now I'm converting this 25.5 scale body to work with a 24.75 scale neck. It's gonna look goofy in the neck joint, but it should work out fine.

I'm also planning on buying a neck thru blank from carvin. that will probably be the next thing i do. Shouldn't be too far off.
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Good job. If that is the first guitar you've made then I can't wait to see what you come up with later. You could even refurb that one. It's fun to have a guitar just to modify and fix.

I refurbed this one last year. I saved it from a pawn shop in really bad shape. I refreted it ( leveled and crowned ), refinished the neck and fretboard, replaced the pups and electronics, reshaped the headstock, put in new black MOP inlays, new nut, and installed fiber optic LED side markers. I gave it the works. It plays and looks much better now.


I'm thinking of buying the parts for a JEM/570 from Ebay and assembling it myself. And I found an LED strip from Ebay (a store sells them) that I might put on my green ibanez, if I win it.
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I'm also planning on buying a neck thru blank from carvin. that will probably be the next thing i do. Shouldn't be too far off.

That would be very sexy
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DeathCS and Soulinsane: Great work both of ya, really impressed I've been thinking about doing this kinda thing for a while, after seeing your works (and seeing as dad has just set up his 'workshop' in the shed), its really inspired me Congrats both
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Old 2005-08-17, 20:29
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i think its a sweet guitar.. altho it could use a floating bridge haha
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Old 2005-08-17, 20:38
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that would be a shit ton more routing to do
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Old 2005-08-17, 21:12
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hey man we should talk about Deplorable soon, im dying to do vocals on that new song.



anyways i got a few suggestions for a title so you can write some Lyrixxxs
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Old 2005-08-17, 21:14
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i'm on msn now i think. try death6cs@hotmail.com
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doesnt look like your on to meeeee


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Old 2005-08-17, 21:39
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Excellent work man! it looks very nice! wel congrats on the guitar, looks awesome for the amount of money you spent making it \m/
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I've been wanting to do something like that, there's is an old carvin body/neck for sale at my local gitar store for like 150.
but electrical tape can really make give a good look, plus its cheap.
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I've been wanting to do something like that, there's is an old carvin body/neck for sale at my local gitar store for like 150.
but electrical tape can really make give a good look, plus its cheap.

ha! sorry. damn orange... but yeah i suppose it would be a bitch to do all that routing, deathcs
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Old 2005-08-17, 22:06
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yeah 2 big holes- route out the recess for the floyd, and the spring cavity VS. 4 29/64" holes for a tunomatic.
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Old 2005-08-17, 22:22
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Old 2005-08-17, 22:34
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Not sure. I bought it on ebay.
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It took a month of thinking up how to do it and then making the ideal work. I don't think I will ever do it again without first being able to removing the fretboard. The total cost for the side markers was near $20 but lots of frustration.
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Old 2005-08-17, 23:25
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Whoa very nice, I just don't like the finish. So how much did you spend in building your guitar total? I want to try this someday.
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Very nice job on the guitar, glad you chose a different shape and finish to make your instrument even more unique(I actually like to see natural wood staining) and didn't just go with a standard shape or paint/graphics that every Joe and his cousin has.

Like also the work done on the 7-string Soulie, how bad a shape was it in when you got it? Do you have before photos?.

I've been toying with the idea of taking a crappy guitar and doing it up for some time, this has given me much food for thought
 
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Lets just say it had rust all over the bridge, strings, frets, pups, and tuners. I think some KoRn fan might have used it as a boat ore, played it in a rain storm, or went swimming with it Amazingly the neck wasn't warped so I could save it. The neck and headstock had chips everywhere but the body finish was surprisingly unmarked. I just filed and sanded out the neck, fretboard, and headstock and refinished it.
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Lets just say it had rust all over the bridge, strings, frets, pups, and tuners. I think some KoRn fan might have used it as a boat ore, played it in a rain storm, or went swimming with it Amazingly the neck wasn't warped so I could save it. The neck and headstock had chips everywhere but the body finish was surprisingly unmarked. I just filed and sanded out the neck, fretboard, and headstock and refinished it.


wow.. and damn, that guitar looks fucking sexy on those pics!
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youve inspired me to try this myself but im gonna do a lil more of an "original" design, not that yours isnt cool but the rr and v shape is kinda overused these days
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I'm thinking of building an RG 550 by hand. I can get all of the pieces on Ebay.

And just to thank you, Ian. This project of yours has inspired me to give it a go, and possibly making a career out of being a luthier or a guitar-repair guy. You know, the techie asshole guys who act like you should be able to fix it yourself *coughBLScough*
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Alright, well, when I was at work last night, I came up with a list of things I need. Tell me what needs to be added, if anything:

body
neck
tuners
plates
knobs
electronics/jack
bridge
locking nut (floyd rose)
pickups
pickup rings

I'm probably missing a few things. I was just trying to get a preliminary list of things. I'm not going to buy it now, or within the next few months. Its just a project for "when I get to it."
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strap buttons, but the body you buy may already have that.
The springs, and spring anchors, but, the bridge you buy may include all that.

I know BLS did this already with an ibanez 7 string.
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strap buttons, but the body you buy may already have that.
The springs, and spring anchors, but, the bridge you buy may include all that.

I know BLS did this already with an ibanez 7 string.


Yeah, they do have them. But I'll make sure just in case. And I'll put strap locks as standard (don't think that the holes are drilled). I'm holding out for a GREAT body to come up for sale.
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good luck.... is it Ian?... dissection
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i think thats what you were asking.
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haha k, I thought I had heard someone call you Ian somtime.
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come to think about it, "Ian" would be a pretty cool name for a guitar company... I think it would look pretty cool on a headstock
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come to think about it, "Ian" would be a pretty cool name for a guitar company... I think it would look pretty cool on a headstock

Because it looks similar to ran
 
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Ok, lets not turn this into another Ran discussion, so I'll say it again:

Get off Ran's nuts.
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Don't be Ran hate'in. DeathCS might build Rans one day and he will build a gay guitar and call it the Dissection.

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Harharharhar. navy fag.

I'm going to build this RG eventually. The most work I'll put in is new pickups, and MAYBE a new paintjob, depending on how risky I like being.
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No you won't. You're lazy, remember? I bet DeathCS builds a pink one first and calls it Dissection


Try again, asshole, my dad and I are talking about doing this project.
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Talk is cheap. Lets see pics or don't say you will. I bet DeathCS builds a pink SG named Diseection before you do.

I bet he can even find the post that descibes you finding the bag of dildos in your parents room and have it printed on the guitar.

Edit: Easy find. The Plan. A whole thread about it
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wtf, man, you have been a total asshole to me all night.
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three or four comments do not indicate joking.

i'm building that fucking guitar. as for repainting it... well, I'll move that into the other thread.
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Three and four comments Try months, then take it serious. You are sensitive, aren't you?
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Haha well he is a sensitive little emo bitch. You crack me up Soul'.

Nice guitar DeathCS, the natural finish looks pretty cool. If I'm ever in need of a new guitar, I'll probably go along your route.
 
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DeathCS,

GO!
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Haha well he is a sensitive little emo bitch. You crack me up Soul'.

Nice guitar DeathCS, the natural finish looks pretty cool. If I'm ever in need of a new guitar, I'll probably go along your route.


yes, because I'm emo, right? All other posts aside, shut up you pansy twat. you have no right to call me emo, nor a good fucking reason, other than I asked why he was being a dick. [sarcasm] aww, my feelings are hurt; he doesn't like me. [/sarcasm] when will you get the fuck over the fact that I couldn't give a shit about your opinion. Its just when you state shit like that^^^ as fucking fact, I tend to get a little i-goddamn-rate about it. Sit down, shut the fuck up, and stop calling me emo.
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Never mind.
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Don't get your knickers in a twist. You've just reinforced my point that you actually are a whiney little emo bitch. Perhaps not because of your music, but definitely because of your mannerisms.
 
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Yep, you're right BB. Anyway, wasn't this about Ian and how short he is or something?
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this thread started out pretty bad with deathcs' ugly guitar. then it got worse with dissection trying to defend himself and soulinsane doing the only thing he does. railing dariusz over the internet
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That Dildo thread was fucking gold though. Doesn't look like Dissection ever carried it out.


Sure didn't. I decided that if I wanted my college to get paid for, and stand any chance at having a future after graduation, I'd best not do it. It will be interesting dinner conversation after I graduate thought.
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this thread started out pretty bad with deathcs' ugly guitar. then it got worse with dissection trying to defend himself and soulinsane doing the only thing he does. railing dariusz over the internet


Now this thread is much better by you doing the only thing you ever do. Posting about your haircut, what you ate, and descibing why every thread sucks.
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lol ran guitars are nice guitars and very cheap. theyll probably get more expensive as time goes on

that doesnt change

however, what the tranman just ate does change. just trying to keep you posted


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All this whining and flaming in this thread cracks me up

Still the dildo thread owns all. I forgot all about it! Thanks for brining it up again :beerL
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