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Old 2005-08-08, 19:22
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Mesa V-twin vs Quad vs Studio vs Formula pre

How they differ in high gain territory and where can I find any vtwin sound clips? xdislexicx, do you have any?

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Old 2005-08-09, 01:49
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How they differ in high gain territory and where can I find any vtwin sound clips? xdislexicx, do you have any?

thanks


my favorites would be the vtwin and the quad. the vtwin is more of a recto-ish sounding preamp. whilst the rest have more of a mark series style liqiud drive going on..

the qaud is basically like a mark III and mark IV's preamp's in one or something to that effect. but it CAN hit some pretty bitchin high gain tones.

unfortunately the only clips i have of my old vtwin are on recordings of one of my first bands that i really wouldnt like anyone to hear. tone is awesome, but the music is kinda cheesey.

try hitting up harmony central, i'm sure you could find clips there.
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Old 2005-08-09, 14:37
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the Quad just owns the living shit outta anything other Mesa rack preamp they ever made.

they're well worth their money. and sound excellent, I never expected that I would like it that much but I loved playing one. they're insanely expensive over here, that's the only downside.
 
Old 2005-08-09, 17:40
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the Quad just owns the living shit outta anything other Mesa rack preamp they ever made.

they're well worth their money. and sound excellent, I never expected that I would like it that much but I loved playing one. they're insanely expensive over here, that's the only downside.

everything mesa over there is expensive... but in the u.s. a second hand quad can be had for like $600.

shit's all over the triaxis.
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Old 2005-08-09, 22:27
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everything mesa over there is expensive... but in the u.s. a second hand quad can be had for like $600.

shit's all over the triaxis.

my god..... anything that can literally take a shit on the triaxis, much less all over it, and only costs $600 (second hand) must be mine. Plus its rackmount, all I would need is a good poweramp (would have to research that) and an avatar cab . At first I was very interested in the 5150 cause decap has got a great sound running those EMG's through 'em (which I find hard to believe EMG's can sound like that)
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Old 2005-08-10, 18:40
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my god..... anything that can literally take a shit on the triaxis, much less all over it, and only costs $600 (second hand) must be mine.


if you say so. i seriously wasnt that impressed with the triaxis. to compressed. the quad just has a more realistic feel to it.

the downsides being it's fucking huge and heavy. like 3u space preamp.
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Old 2005-08-10, 18:47
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and it's a real tweaker's amp. some people might not like to use it, at all.

I wasn't impressed with the triaxis, nor the 2.0, or the marshall jmp-1, etc. that digital crap ain't my thang. the Quad is though, gotta love them, they make great recording preamps too. get a 3:95 with it

and be sure to get a 20he rack, haha!
 
Old 2005-08-11, 04:17
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and it's a real tweaker's amp. some people might not like to use it, at all.

I wasn't impressed with the triaxis, nor the 2.0, or the marshall jmp-1, etc. that digital crap ain't my thang. the Quad is though, gotta love them, they make great recording preamps too. get a 3:95 with it

and be sure to get a 20he rack, haha!


well, don't let the midi fool you. the jmp-1 and triaxis are digitally controlled. but the sound is analog. no processing bullshit. the gain comes from real tubes and diodes.

but the triaxis does sound alot "smoother" and "compressed" in it's voicing than the quad. to much squish for my tastes. even compared to the jmp-1 the triaxis just can't compete imo..

the quad is definately based out of the mark series and if you get one, prepare to spend at least an hour fucking with it before you show your friends, otherwise you'll feel like a dumbass...
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Old 2005-08-11, 11:03
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Mesa has like 3223532462374623746378 preamps and it confuses me
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Old 2005-08-11, 13:31
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well, don't let the midi fool you. the jmp-1 and triaxis are digitally controlled. but the sound is analog. no processing bullshit. the gain comes from real tubes and diodes.

but the triaxis does sound alot "smoother" and "compressed" in it's voicing than the quad. to much squish for my tastes. even compared to the jmp-1 the triaxis just can't compete imo..

the quad is definately based out of the mark series and if you get one, prepare to spend at least an hour fucking with it before you show your friends, otherwise you'll feel like a dumbass...


it's not the midi, it's the preamp stage itself, the sound is definetly not analog IMO.

I think the Quad sounds way smoother then the jmp/triaxis/acces, you can get an amazing range of tones from it though it does require a LOT of tweaking to find the sweet spot.
 
Old 2005-08-11, 18:12
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it's not the midi, it's the preamp stage itself, the sound is definetly not analog IMO.


it's just that most people think because it's digitally controlled, that the sound is also digital.

the triaxis is an all tube signal path. and the jmp-1 has a mixture, one tube for the clean channels(only two gain stages), and the other tube for the o.d. channels, combined with a couple clipping diode stages. so it's basically the same concept as a s.s. boost pedal into a low/medium gain tube preamp.

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I think the Quad sounds way smoother then the jmp/triaxis/acces, you can get an amazing range of tones from it though it does require a LOT of tweaking to find the sweet spot.


when i say smooth, i mean the triaxis has no roughness to it at all. and imo, that kill sthe high gain appeal.
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Old 2005-08-11, 18:43
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well the sound is digital. have you seen the triaxis's scematics? I think it doesn't sound analog either, that's why I don't like premamps with shiny led letters and shit

I've heard a triaxis do pretty brutal stuff but the quad just does everything five times better, great cleans too. it's a completely different concept, so it sounds completely different too. I don't think the triaxis enherited a lot of the good old mesa tone.
 
Old 2005-08-12, 02:40
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looks can be deceiving. just trust your ears. shiney red letters doesnt automatically mean it's a line 6 or anything.

hell the tech 21/sansamp psa-1 is all analog too. same red letters and midi stuff. but its analog.

i'm not to sure about the h&k access preamp... or the mp-1. but i think they both work the same way as the jmp-1.
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