I've had a starter guitar and bass for about 3 years now, they've served me well in learning and generally starting out of course, but me and my friend are going to start a grindcore band and i'm starting too look for some new gear.

My main influences when I shred on the guitar are Anal Cunt, Ghoul, Carcass (pre-Heartwork), Impaled, Cryptopsy, Engorged, Impetigo, Lord Gore, and Napalm Death (the early stuff). I'm thinking of that overall low aggresive thrash tone mixed with death metal they have. Besides Grindcore, Thrash is my other favorite genre, but I didn't mention them since Ghoul for instance is heavily influenced by thrash and the thrash tone sorta shows up with them, mih death and other grind of course. So yeah, i'm mainly focusing on grind.

I'm pretty fond of the BC rich brand, and i've been eyeing this one for a while http://www.bcrich.com/bcrich_guitars/njsignature.asp.

With pedals and amps though, i'm completely lost.

I'm not getting any of these now, i'm saving up, so money isn't really a big issue since i'm not in any rush, of course, more than $1200 would take me too long, I don't have that much money to save up.

one word... Jackson... great guitars for a good price, usually equiped with a floyd rose style bridge and EMGs or Seamor Duncans

theyll serve you well...

for amps id look at Mesa/Boogie... corny name but they give out great sound.

i dont have much experiance with pedals so i cant tell you anything about that...

good luck with your grind band... just make a good name for it... no "fucked your dads ass with a large screw" band or something like that

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I'm a big fan of Boss and Guyatone pedals...may wanna look into them for your needs. Specifically the Boss GT-6, and GT-8, and the Guyatone Metal Monster.

Guitars you just have to play and decide whats best for you, same with amps.

Look for a used Blue Voodoo. With the right tubes, you won't need no damn distortion pedal. That and a matching cab is well under your max price.

If you want to play grind, you don't need pedals, so you can skip over that. For amps, I'd say that a 5150 could definately get you that Carcass grind and for a reasonable price. This is coming from a person who owns a 5150 and is a huge Carcass/Impaled/Ghoul fan.

If you'd buy the amps we recommend, you would have no need for shitty pedals.

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Amp:
5150
Blue Voodoo

End. Of. Story.


And anal cunt as an influence? i like them but they're too gimmicky to imitate.

What he said.

I've been looking around the jackson catalogue, they look great. I'm interested in this one: http://www.jacksonguitars.com/gear/...no=DKMGFF_Dinky

For now i'm looking into a 5150 blue voodoo, I think it said on their site the whole modding costs around $400, and the amp itself costs a lot. What tubes would be good for it? A friend of mine also told me about the ampeg vl series. How good are those?

I don't exactly know what the hell you're talking about, but a 5150 head goes for about $600 on ebay and they don't need any modding at all to sound good.

whats makes a crate blue voodoo cab a better match for a 5150 than the matching peavey 5150 cab? just curious, because next summer i'm thinking about buying a 5150/6505 halfstack

STAY AWAY FROM THAT BC RICH!!! That guitar looks pretty cool, but that's where it stops. I have never seen a guitar with a maple body before, and that's probably for a good reason. If a guitar costs $900 and the body is not made of mahagony, and it comes with EMG HZs, (these pickups are shit, stay the fuck away from them), it is a ripoff. You can get a Givson V for about $650 brand new, and it's gonna be twice as good as that fucking thing.
As for the Jackson, I don't know how much it costs, so I can't tell whether it's a good deal or not. However, it, too, comes with EMG HZs which are bullshit pickups. The flame inlays are original, I haven't seen that before, but I don't see the point of it. They are probably gonna charge you out the ass for them because they somehow make the guitar "special". I don't know what the EMG Active Turbocharger is, I have never seen that thing before, but I do know that the pickups on that guitar are passive, so I don't see what the use might be from it.
As for amps, Crate makes some really nice combos that aren't even too expensive, especially compared to Marshalls, which is what I have. Played a few at the guitar store, they have a really good sound, no distortion pedal needed.
Hope this helps and good luck with your band.

screw bc.rich
u want jackson DKMG
those are perfect guitars. for any type of metal. either that or somthing out of the ibanez rg series.

Well. . . Amp wise a cheap good amp that packs a punch is definitely Randall. . . they make good affordable amps mostly solid state though(150+ watts should do you well). . . As for tube I'd wait since you are on a budget and that shit just kind of kicks your ass when you are on a budget. . . as for guitar. . . I'd either go ESP, Schecter, erm. . . . . . . Ibanez's are great. . . The Pickups. . . well I'd avoid HZ's they are passive and the whole reason to use EMG is taken away because then they charge you for the EMG name without any extra bang for your buck(Children of Bodom use EMG HZ H4 well Alexi Laiho does but don't tell. . . hahaha) but a set of EMG 81/85 and shit like that can be bought from Stewart-Macdonald(You can find their add for a free catalog in the back of guitar one and guitar world. . . good prices on upgrades and shit for building guitars, I think the website is like www.stew-mac.com but don't quote me.) Personally I'd avoid floyd rose style and tremolo arms in general as though they are a one armed hooker named Tina with a bad case of crabs and unkempt pubic hair. . . if you want one buy a Digitech Whammy. . . It is less work but you sacrifice a little. . . but get more especially if you upgrade with a Midi Processor. . . . Okay, Now pedals I do recommend Boss GT-8(and GT-6. . . but considering I think they are stopping production of it well. . .. I'd just go the extra 50 dollars and get it. . . ) let's see and I'd do a nice little just in case and add a Dunlop 535 Q wah to your line up. . . I'd put the whammy first in line(your guitar or wireless system hits it). . . that's where it belongs anyways or else it'll sound fucked up, then your Dunlop or wah pedal or any time based(delay) effects. . . then the boss GT and then if you have a sampler I'd place it last then of course your amp. . . A lot of the things I mentioned are very optional and I hope this helped of course as for the "avoid tube" comment. . . that's just to help you save quite a bit of buck. . . Hope this helped. . . later.

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You meant DXMG.

I like the DKMG. I had one.

Haha WTF? Thats the most ridicously overpriced guitar I have ever seen. I bet it's even a bolt-on at that :P
Shit, I've seen guitars woth better specs go for $150

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In guitars I like the Ibanez RGT or the IBANEZ S 520 ex Saber And in Amps the 5150II/ 6505+ head With Brunetti celstions.

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I just bought a Iackson JS30 Kelly for $300 new, a really nice guitar, just needs new pickups. Roland Cube 30's are great for $225, but I decided to get a Tech 21 Trademark 30 due to the superior sound quality.

http://www.ibanez.com/guitars/guitar.asp?model=RG320FM

A buddy of mine owns two of these badasses and theyre pretty sick. They cost about $400-500 dollars and stock pickups arent really something youd go crazy for so I'd replace them.

http://www.ibanez.com/guitars/guitar.asp?model=RG350EX

Another fine guitar, same as the 370DX, but this one has a more better look to it, there are indeed minute differences but I havent figured them out yet
$400 price tag.

http://www.ibanez.com/guitars/guitar.asp?model=RG370DX $360

This is the one I own and its pretty fricking awsome, again the pickups arent something you'd go crazy for so I'd replace them.

All of these guitars have the awsome Wizard II neck and EDGE PRO II tremelo. The neck omfg feels like butter you play so fast with it. I urge you to check out these guitars, my recommendation is the one on top, this one will suit you the post especially if your playing metal/grindcore. People have said EPII tremelos are shit, thats a bunch of crap, its one of the best tremelos I've seen and its super comfortable if your palm muting.

So yeah, check out Ibanez guitars trust me theyre worth the time fuck BC Rich, Jackson...the thing with jackson is that they're oddly similar to Ibanez guitar but I feel Ibanez gives me more of a satisfaction with my playing.

Go in a store, check them out. Fuck everything else >.>

And for an amp, get a crate, you dont need a pedal with one of those.

Only get BC Rich if you can afford the custom jobs, if not then stay away. Get a jackson, great guitars. As for th amp, I would say 5150 or the Crate BV, OR if you can find one get the Marshall 8100, old amp but kicks some ass.

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I owned a B.C. Rich NJ Warlock. I tried to like it. That was hard. The Warlock body shape is comfortable ( to me it is ), and that was about it. One day Ran/Warmoth will see me requesting a seven string Warlock shaped body from them ...

On the jackson site they only had those EMG HZ pickups, the others were duncans. Can't remember specifically, but most other jacksons were those.

Now, this guitar that gamma pointed out http://metaltabs.com/forum/showthre...?t=22542&page=1
is very appealing, especially the price. What pickups should I get for it if I got it?

As for amps, the 5150 and crate seem good, unfortunately, there are no good music stores around so i'm waiting until I move (right now i'm in Caracas, Venezuela, moving to the US on August 10th so not really a long wait).

For now i'll get stock stuff I suppose, save most upgrades for later. So depending on what I get (if I get a 5150 in the end or a crate), is it worth modding them with voodoo amps? Or is it not really required.

5150's are known for being mod-able ... Probably the only essential mod would be a bias mod, and either Voodoo or Jerry P from FJA could do it.

Essential? Hardly. 5150's sound fine as is and if you're seriously going to buy one, I would take some time to know the 5150 itself before you decide to mod it at all.

good to know I can leave any mods for later then. I think the first thing i'd get is the guitar. When I have the chance, i'll try out a few jackson and ibanez guitars. As for the amp, well you guys convinced me to go with the Peavey. The amp of course seems more expensive, so like I said i'll just the guitar and its between $300-400 i'll get new EMG pickups.

Considering its a nice high gain tube stack, it's rather cheap.

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Exactly what I would recomend, Jackson usually use mahogany (bass wood) that sounds great but won't weigh you down like an overpriced B.C. Rich, I recomend one with an emg. Even though Kerry King uses B.C.Rich he doesn't use stock pick ups, he uses emg.

I say the same for the amp, Mesa Boogie amps have sick fucking distortion and have incredible tone. Mesa can cost a lot but if you want good built in distortion Line 6 aren't bad either.

I got a digitech death metal distortion pedal which is pretty good (and cheap)
But the Mesa will have better built in distortion (Line 6 gives you less gain than the pedal but less feedback).

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Mahogany and Basswood are two different woods with different tonal properties.

I've never seen a Jackson with basswood OR mahogany, either. I've only seen Cedro on the cheapest Jackson's and Alder or the more expensive. I've heard about custom shop or USA series Jacksons with Mahogany, though, but they're more expensive and less common.

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The cheapest guitars I have seen always had alder. Actualy, my current and past guitar have alder.
My next one will be either Bass or mahogany, probbalby the later.

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The cheapest Jackson guitars have Indian Cedro. The JS1 and JS20.

Other companies might use Agathis, B-grade basswood, or other B-grade woods. The cheapest Ashton's have basswood, swamp ash and agathis.

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Haven't you heard of plywood guitars?

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Then take a look at my guitar. It's made in Japan.
Jackson SLSMG Soloist

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Get a Jackson

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Yes, heard of it, but never seen or played one. Over here, just about all guitars under $500 are alder, and some of the better models are mahogany.

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Of course they sound fine as it is, but what I was saying is that if you were going to have any one mod performed on it, a bias mod should be it. Modding 5150's is something that's extremely common. Its a superior market level amplifier by itself, but it can easily be modded to compete with boutique amps. And I do know the 5150 ... I used to have one

Ah, misunderstood you there. I myself was considering the bias mod, but then I ordered my Ran.

I've never tried a mesa boogie either, i'll have to see em for myself.

For Amps, you probably would'nt need a pedal because, with the right guitar and amplifier combo, you could derive a brutal tone.

I.E. I play out of a Randall Titan 300w Head, and for Minor practice / rehearsal I play out of a Crate GT212 120w Combo Amp.

Both of these companies have made absolutely flawless products. Especially the Crate BV150 head which i've had the chance to play. Awesome Tube amps in my opinion.

I play an Ibanez RG1570 in D Tuning with DiMarzio X2n Pickup in the bridge, and I can achieve great sounds, and punchy overdriven riffs with these two amps.

For my Pedal, I play a Boss GT-8

For an amp, I would recommend anything from Randall or Crate. And for a guitar, I would recommend any higher end Ibanez RG model.

I can get sounds similar to a lot of those bands you listen to, or at least aggresively speaking.

right and if your on ebay look for winter guitars... much cheaper but still very high quality..comparable to mid range ibanez for about half the price

mmmmmm happy happy happy. dont for get to buy a butt load of mascara and white face paint

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The Ibanez Jem7vwh has an alder body and is $2000. lol

My advice: Get a good amp with a brutal distortion and save the money for the pedal.

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