Hi everyone,
Basically I said it all in the topic. I'm thinking of getting myself a Jackson USA Series guitar but before I dish out 3,000 dollars, I want to make sure that I can downtune it, perhaps as low as B, using .13 strings.
The bridge tension can be adjusted from the springs at the back of the guitar, right? It's not that it's a fixed tension or anything like that?
Thanks, much obliged.

Yes, but why would a USA one cost 3 grand?

I re-checked the price. It's 3 grand yes. ($2, 999, 99) It's practically a custom-made guitar. It's got the best specs.

why spend 3000 bucks on a guitar if you don't even know about downtuning and the setup of floyds?

Step 1. Learn about guitars.

Step 2. Learn to play.

Step 3. Get a custom RAN with custom graphics and you still will probably be under $3000.


Live and learn, then get RAN.

haha, auch. thats harsh.

honestly, I don't see why any Jackson is worth 3000 bucks, if it ain't a custom shop. it's just a series guitar without custom features, I don't see the point. To each his own, I think the Jackson USA series are very good but not ethically not worth their money. I know handmade jacksons custom shop guitars for around 1500 euro. (used)


by the way, here's my Ran on the left:
http://pic2.picturetrail.com/VOL957...6/101154966.jpg

for about 1000 less you could get a ran with any features you'de like. and even then I don't think you'll reach 2000...

Actually I was referring to the springs at the back of the guitar, but thanks for the help. You see, I have an old B.C. Rich "Ironbird" NJ Series made in the 80's, with a Kahler bridge and there are no springs at the back. It's a fixed tension bridge, so it's not that advisable to downtune a lot (I tune down half a step to Eb), because you can't tighten the springs at the back. I assume Jackson guitars have the springs at the back, so that it will be possible to downtune and adjust the springs at the back.
Thanks
Oh, RAN guitars are definitely great and price worthy. I've seen their site some time ago. I'll have a good think about it.

so what model Jackson are you considering anyways?

and yes, if it has a floyd it has springs in the back. you can modify the string tension by putting in extra springs etc.

I had My rr-3 in drop A so yes you can downtune on a jackson And now it's in C# so. It's just a matter of adjusting the floyd and buying a heavier gauge string

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downtuning doesnt matter on a jacksaon with a floyd, i dont think it matters on ANY guitar

nice choice though, i own a jackson warrior usa, and it so fucking sweet, awesome, fast etc :P

just dont get seymour duncan fullshred and invader pickups, theyre muddy as fuck

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yes, you need to adjust the floyd after downtuning...

Do like I'm doing:

Get an acoustic and play for a year, which will make playing electrics a hell of a lot easier, while saving up cash for gear. While you're doing that, do as much reasearch as you possible can on guitars and amplifiers. Try as many as you can. Then buy the gear of your choice, and you'll still have enough left over for booze, some hooker fun, and music classes.

But since you have $3000 to blow, 9 months into this, order a custom RAN and buy a kick ass double stack amp rig. Apparently right now you have cash for all of this, but you might want to build some knowledge and skill before buying a shiny overpriced guitar that you might end up putting up on a wall to collect dust.

I believe that the 3 grand is the list price you are looking at dude. With how weak the dollar has been lately, you could probably get a new USA Select series jackson for around 1500. Also, don't linit yourself to new gear, deals can be had on used stuff too.

Play the best
Jackson
fuck the rest

that's my opinion.

And btw, I have a Jackson DXMG DInky and I downtune it.
Just get a Jackson.

Make sure it's an ORIGINAL FLOYD,NOT LICENSED.
Try before you buy.......

What the fuck is the fuzz about the licensed floyd's

My jackson RR-3 has a licensed one and it works just fine

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This thread has the stupidest fucking advices.....

this, for an example. I haven't heard they guy say anything else, or put some argumentation next to it.

ah well, let the guy spend 3000 bucks on a jackson, haha, I think he deserves it.

I paid only 250E for it 'cause it was used ( and still is ).

And my Jackson has a licensed Floyd too. And it works fine. and good pick-ups.
And of course, it's good 'cause it's a Jackson.

and then he says jackson is the best

Dude fuck you, it has a licensed floyd and good pick-ups!!

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fuck me? yes please BLS honey

For 3K it better talk dirty to me.

BLS does that for 3 cents Bia, sounds like a much better deal to me.

Shut up you dipshit, go play your Ibaqueer 10 string or whatever, this discussion is for the badass Jackson players.

I'll license your floyd

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Ibanez guitars out do Jackson guitars anyday, eod. (end of discussion)

Dickhead, go to a music shop, then ask the gear guy to set up the tension on your floyd to whatever tuning you want to use, and guage of string you want.

Seriously though, who the fuck doesn't know that? You shouldn't be laying 3 grand down for a guitar if you don't know much of shit.



And by the way, everyone who mentioned getting a Ran:



GET OFF OF RAN'S NUTS. This angers me. All I see from half of the people on this forum is RAN RAN RAN RAN RAN RAN RAN.



Fuck you, "Ibaqueer." Both brands are trendy for "uber-cool metal musicians." Both brands' low end guitars are shit quality, and shit sounding. Badass Jackson players? Lick my chode, and go play "mary had a little lamb."

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Dissection.. learn to set up a floyd and then come back please.

Thanks!

alright guys.. he wont be back for awhile.

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ive been playing guitar for 6 years or so and dont know how to set up a floyd. all my guitars are none floyd, so... thats not a great measure of skill

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I never said I knew how to, fucktard. I know alot of people who do, and prefer to get their shit professionally done.

Thanks!



dick.

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Thanks for the replies, guys. But this local dealer said he thinks he can get me the Ibanez RGT42DX, which I wanted in the first place. (At first, I wanted to get an Ibanez RGT42DX since it's the best value for money guitar I've seen so far but then when I was told I couldn't order it I thought of getting a Jackson).
The Jackson has, for example, an ebony fretboard whilst the Ibanez has a maple/walnut fretboard or something. There are these differences that make the Jackson a better quality guitar than the Ibanez but then again, I think 3000 (list price) is too much for me right now.
But lord_deimos could have a point there. 3000 bucks is the list price. The actual price is most probably different when you ask at the shop. If the price goes down according to how weak the dollar is, as you say, then I hope the dollar gets as weak as possible, haha! (Only until I get my guitar lol)

If You downtune, I suggest you Actually go to a repair place to change the tension on the neck.. unless its in D, your strings will be just Loose. I own a Jackson Warrior and an Esp Explorer.. and well i'm pretty weak in pushing down the strings, (not because i'm a girl). So I think it does fine in downtuning.

Actually the 3 grand Jackson I was thinking of getting is the Soloist Mahogany guitar and I think I'll get a DK1 Dinky which has an Alder body. It's still expensive but I really want to get a good guitar for life.

I bet you can get a guitar that sounds equally as good or sounding just as good to your ears with half or more the price cheaper. Basically be sure of what you are going to get before you start spending.

Hell ya man, got that one too. \m/

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bandmate: hey lets play some devildriver shit in B

dissection: ok maybe in 3 weeks when shop has done the tuning shit for me. you know mate i like it professional ^_^



absolutly agree



stupid advice n#1



stupid advice n#2 ............ tjnt(thats just not true)

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I own several Jacksons, including two rhoads flying v guitars, a dinky, and a King V. I can downtune all of them without much hassle at all, but as the others have said, the RAN is a better bet than a $3000 Jackson. Its your decision, so you decide whether you want to spend 3000 for a Jackson or 2000 or less for a RAN that will have equal or better specs.

Cheers

I am interested.....gimme at least 4 good examples.

I just got a Jackson RR3. Got 13's for it and currently tuned at B flat.
As far as the Floyd, just some minor adjustments were made. Other than that, It's all good to go.

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Thanks for the info, BestialWarrior. So, it's possible to tune low (after adjusting the tension springs and all) and still have a decent string tension.

I know the band Grave from Sweden use Jackson guitars and downtune to B and they've been doing it for years so I guess it's ok.

Maybe Jackson will make 7-string guitars some day!

Just get the jackson and downtune it man. Tons of bands use downtuned jacksons, and so does lots of members on this board.

dude i got a jackson dkmg for christmas (472$) and dropped me a duncan livewire metal humbucker in at the bridge and this thing plays and sounds like a fucking dream. its sounds great in any tuning....personally i play in standard d tuning. i play it through a marshall mg15 combo (i dont have any money yet for a nice amp) but im not complaining at all it has so much overdrive it will rip your balls off. just remember you dont have to have an expensive guitar to sound great.

not a guitar but an amp

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true didnt think of that, but that mg15 sounds badass for a little combo

HAHAHAHA!!!!! i used to play an mg30 before i got my line6..... the mg distortion sounded like i was farting into my pickups........ badass is the last thing i would call it.

My Peavey Bandit 112 is pretty decent..considering also its 300 watts max!..
I only put it around level 5 when jammin with the drummer..
Oh yeah, also wanted to mention that Peter Tagtgren of Hypocrisy uses downtuned Jackson's as well..
Ps. 7-string Jackson's have been around a liitle while too now..

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dude but a peavy combo is nothing in comparision to f.e. an engl savage. combos are good for practise because you usually dont play em on high volume and tube amps get better and better with increasing the volume. therefore buying an tube amp for practising sucks because you dont drive its full pontential power and the other way arround playing real heavy stuff on a combo with drummer etcetc maybe even in front of hunderts of people sucks cause your sound gets weak and muddy. ... ok this was little out of topic

back to topic

btw if you have tons of money and you want to play in B anyways you could go with some decent ibanz 7string or order a custom made from jackson. they arent that expensive if you do it right. and somehow this thread is useless anyways cuz everyone should know that you can tune every original floyd down to any note you want ... with changing the specs of the trem and changing the string gauge. anyways everyone knows as well that you can do same stuff with liscensed floyds and we also know that they suck.












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you mustve had it setup up wrong or just had a shitty one because everyone i know that has heard it loves the tone. and every line 6 ive heard has no distortion at all and sounds weak as hell. it doesnt matter though because im getting a road king pretty soon. people have diff opinions of tones....i like my marshalls tone, you like your line 6 tone. dont be imature and diss on other peoples gear just because you dont like it.