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Old 2005-06-18, 03:22
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Ghost Hunting

Before you read this: I'm sorry it's so long and I'm not asking you to read it all but I couldn't leave out any detail. Bare with me here, I promise it's interesting.

Me and my friend Joe have been hearing many strange stories of Turley Cemetery in a place called Red Ash about 10 miles from where we live. Most of the stories in the cemetery revolver around the story of a man named Robert Jones who was into witchcraft and the black arts who visited the cemetery often performing rituals. The day his father died and was buried in the same cemetery, Robert bent down over his father's grave and a gun took his own life. Some say his spirit haunts the cemetery in the form of an orange 8ft tall half man-half goat which we simply called the Red Ash Goat.

Before we made or trip to Red Ash, Joe took me to this building we're his grandfather buried 2 bodies he found while working in the field. So we decided to test out the digital camera I brought. I started by taking a picture of the outside of the building. In the picture we noticed 2 small orbs and an object of the right which we couldn't make out as well as what we think is a hand in the top right of the picture. I circled them in red in the picture so you can try to make them out for yourself.

outside of building
closeup of unknown object

Then I decided to take a picture of me inside the building. Joe told me it was the first time it was opening since his grandfather buried the bodies. Notice the orbs in the top left, on my right shoulder, below my right eye, and above my right knee.

me in the building

We left for Red Ash as it was getting dark. On the way we stopped by an old sand cylo. There many people have been killed including an account of when a man who took his life by hanging himself from the cylo and another where a kid who decided to climb inside, got stuck and died.

cylo 1
cylo 2

After taking a piss break, I had an idea to put Joe on my shoulders and see if he could take a picture inside the cylo. This is probably the most activity we caught in a picture. We counted about 30 orbs in the picture. We thought it was odd since we didn't expect to discover anything.

inside cylo

So after the surprise from the cylo, it got darker and we made our way to Turley Cemetery. The whole way there we got the creepiest feeling, which was to be expected. It was smaller than I expected but that didn't take away from the feeling I got there.

Turley Cemetery

On the way to the cemetery we checked the temperature on the gauge in the car and it was a mild 64 degrees, in the cemetery we could see our breathe. Trust me, we we're freezing. It took all of two seconds to site the grave we were looking for, Robert Jones. It stood out, mainly because it was the only one with a iron fence around it. I took a couple pictures but only a single orb showed up in one.

Robert's grave

Now at this point we we're pretty freaked, the last thing I wanted was when Joe pecked on my shoulder with his jaw hanging in shock. He was pointing to a bright white gleam in the distance. We said it at the same time, "A little girl." She just stood there looking at us. I tried to get pictures but it was to dark and she came out as a slight white blur, and wasn't sure if it was her or not in the picture.

That point we turned around slowly and began walking away quietly. Nothing could get worse? Guess again. Just as we passed Robert's grave we heard a fucking scream! It was silent the whole time, then we both heard an unhuman scream! So we did what anyone would, we fucking ran!

Before we got to the vehicle we both saw something to the right of us glowing orange in the woods, like it was watching us. I managed to stop for about ten seconds to take a picture. At the time I was shaking but I would the will to snap a photo. As we got in the car and sped off, we we're silent. We could come up with words to say since we we're in shock. Finally Joe said, "here comes the bridge that's suppost to be haunted too." Well guess what, we saw that orange glow in the woods again. I don't know what to say about the last picture. I can't describe it. See for yourself.

The Red Ash Goat?

We're going back maybe tomorrow with my friend Andrew. But this will not be the last time we go ghost hunting ever, so expect some more stories and pictures.
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Old 2005-06-18, 03:26
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you said that place hadnt been opened since his grandfather buried some dudes there? chances are those 'orbs' are just dust thats been collecting for years that you kicked up and reflected from the flash. cool story though
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Old 2005-06-18, 03:38
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I can't really say. I like to say they are orbs since if it was dust there would have been more dots in the shot plus I don't think Joe was that close to he doorway when he took the picture. The "orbs" seem to big to be dust. Who knows, eh?
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Old 2005-06-18, 03:42
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Nice photos. Looking good.

Ghosts are real, but only in our minds. IMO


Can we share simmiliar personal photos here or would you prefer not?
Later and thanks again for sharing this...It was a nice deviation from the norm.
 
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The "orbs" seem to big to be dust. Who knows, eh?

well if theyre right next to the lens they can be that big, put your finger up to your eye and look at the sun, your finger will block it up because its so close to your eye but is your finger really that big
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well if theyre right next to the lens they can be that big, put your finger up to your eye and look at the sun, your finger will block it up because its so close to your eye but is your finger really that big
Hehe, good point.
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Old 2005-06-18, 03:57
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Nice photos. Looking good.

Ghosts are real, but only in our minds. IMO


Can we share simmiliar personal photos here or would you prefer not?
Later and thanks again for sharing this...It was a nice deviation from the norm.
I made this so we all can talk about experiences, share pictures, and whatever as long as it has something to do with the supernatural.
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Old 2005-06-18, 04:06
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the only experiance I have ever had or remember having is when I was a little kid about 5 probably. we were living in california at the time and it was night time (always at night wtf) and I was sleeping when I suddenly woke up to find this women in my room standing on the oppasite side of my room just watching me dressed in this bright yellow dress holding one of the those umbrellas thats made to block out the sun. very old southern civil war style clothing. i starred at her for a while not sure what to make of it. I closed my eyes tight and turned the other way and when I turned back she was gone.
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Old 2005-06-18, 04:10
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Great story. I really enjoyed it. Next time I talk to one of my friends. I'll ask him to share some of his ghost encounters. He's lived in three suposedly haunted house.
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Old 2005-06-18, 04:18
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Thats some pretty freaky shit. I believe in ghosts or whatnot. So far I havent ever seen one, nor do I believe i ever will. I would really like to though, its just the thoughts that are running through your head at the time that freak the shit out of you. I find it kind of fun to be scared shitless. Where the fuck do you live. That is some "nice" scenery and shit you got there. All we have here is....hardcore dancing and big fucking buildings.
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Old 2005-06-18, 04:27
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I made this so we all can talk about experiences, share pictures, and whatever as long as it has something to do with the supernatural.

I appreciate that. I may play the skeptic but will always stay respectful and keep the open mind. I have two personal odd stories in my life that to this day baffle my mind, but they arent ghost related.
I took the Red Ash Goat image and super increased the gama, it's freaky dude.
I am at a loss for an explanation.
Check it out

RedAsh


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Old 2005-06-18, 05:00
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dude i was totally held in suspense on that post,the way you presented it was awesome, i wish that type of shit could happen to me, ghosts........aliens.......haunted places. but no, i got to deal with stupid shit like some asshole comming to my work and threatening to kick my ass<this happened today,over total bullshit>i would gladly deal with 8 foot orange goatdude, paranormal shit does not frieghten me at all, used to when i was a kid, but what does is assholes who outweight me by a good 40 pounds looking to start shit. if i saw something orange and 8 foot tall running around the woods id definatly follow it and see whats up, even if it meant being eaten alive,curiousity would get the better of me, could of been some guy in a big bird outfit who lost his mind

the wierdest thing that happened to me was seeing a red/orange light fixed in sky at the same level as the passing streetlight bulbs,looking out from a cars passenger window travelling at 40-50 miles and hour. went to inform my friend next to me of what i was seeing, looked at my friend as i was telling him, looked back and the thing was gone. could of been a reflection of something inside the car, like an LED or a lit cigarette end, but i dont think it was
 
Old 2005-06-18, 07:27
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I appreciate that. I may play the skeptic but will always stay respectful and keep the open mind. I have two personal odd stories in my life that to this day baffle my mind, but they arent ghost related.
I took the Red Ash Goat image and super increased the gama, it's freaky dude.
I am at a loss for an explanation.
Check it out
RedAsh

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Old 2005-06-18, 08:41
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thing is on digital photos if you zoom in too much your looking at abnormallities that are more due to pixellation than anything

that orange thing behind the tree was wierd tho, anyway you can get a negative exposure of that? that would be cool
 
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my work is haunted, it was built on the burial grounds of an old fort that no longer exists, ft. stevens, i will post various stories in a bit, i am busy stringing guitars right now, but i have quite a few stories.
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Old 2005-06-18, 09:30
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hauntings are a reality(my opinion.) My band rehearsal space is haunted. The house I occupy is haunted. I feel that I have channeled the dead numerous times. I am not allowed to speak of my religous beliefs on this forum, or else I will apparently get banned. I would get more into detail, but again....I can't speak of my religous beliefs.
 
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my work is haunted, it was built on the burial grounds of an old fort that no longer exists, ft. stevens, i will post various stories in a bit, i am busy stringing guitars right now, but i have quite a few stories.


at least you have your priorities straight.

One time me and my friends were in some woods in broad daylight and we saw this bobcat. i SPECIFICALLY noticed a weird scar on its face.. Well, the thing started chasing us and we got scared shitless, so we ran. We could hear the thing running behind us, then all the sudden it just wasnt. I found a metal pole and went back looking for the cat... and found it's dead, mangled body. Same scar on the face. Same bobcat.
 
Old 2005-06-18, 09:57
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at least you have your priorities straight.

One time me and my friends were in some woods in broad daylight and we saw this bobcat. i SPECIFICALLY noticed a weird scar on its face.. Well, the thing started chasing us and we got scared shitless, so we ran. We could hear the thing running behind us, then all the sudden it just wasnt. I found a metal pole and went back looking for the cat... and found it's dead, mangled body. Same scar on the face. Same bobcat.

gotta take care of the ladies first, right?

heres a group of bathroom related stories.
i was in the handicapped stall in the mens room taking a piss, i had locked the door, nothing wierd. when i went to leave, i was zipping up and walking towards the door, and it unlocked itself, not in a suttle, coming unlocked, more of a something unlocked it kind of unlocked.

a guy named brett has on countless occasions had toilets in the stalls flush by themselves, and they dont have auto flushers on them

another guy named sean was cleaning the mens after the last movie had gotten out, and after he finished and was walking out, all of the urinals flushed within about 5 seconds.

one of the managers, named susie,who has been with the theater when it opened in the winter of 2000, has used the same stall in the womens room since she has worked there, and some mornings when she comes in, the door to it will open itself as she walks towards it.
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I am not allowed to speak of my religous beliefs on this forum, or else I will apparently get banned.
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...you can get a negative exposure of that? that would be cool


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This thread is creepy.
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yeah, i think thats kinda the point
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Few years ago me and my friends saw old house in the forest. Door was open and we looked in the house and there was "killed" dolls. There was hangin headless dolls and some dolls was nailed to the wall. That was pretty funny.
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This stuff is all rather interesting. It always poses more questions that it answers. In fact, I wrote my graduate thesis on paranormal beliefs and their correlates with both faulty reasoning processes and stupid people. It isn't hard to believe that there are some stunning mysteries out there still to be discovered.

However, it also isn't hard to believe that goons often make stuff up inside their own heads.

More pictures!
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Extraterrestrial life is a much more believable subject that ghosts(my opinion) but I believe in both to an extent. I don't feel that ghosts go walking around fucking with people, I feel that their is a dimension that most humans weak brains(regardless of their feeble intelligence) cannot comprehend.
 
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ghosts are probably the result of some kind of electro-magnetic imprint left from a time of great suffering or experience. this isnt always the case, but its probably some kind of "dent" if you will in some wavelength.


my friend used to live in a haunted house. i have some lame stories, one was that we were standing around in his upstairs in broad daylight and all his dogs started barking and acting weird and i got the worst feeling to gtfo of there. but i was a little kid, so that can be chalked up to freaking myself out over nothing. then again, i never knew his house was haunted untill recently.


he has a weird set up to get into his kitchen from the outside this should help :

KITCHEN | COAT ROOM | OUTSIDE

there are two doors |

i was leaving the kitchen and the outside door FLEW open for me. his mom said it was pressure but i hadn ever seen that and never saw it again. the door just flew wide open....so what did i do? kept walking and said "thanks"

i practically lived at the kids house and it definitely never happened again

he had babysitters that REFUSED to go into his living room. the living room TV would turn off and on a lot. the washing machine would stop working everytime guests came to visit. no joke, the thing would stop working every time!

one time his sister was sleeping and was cold but too lazy to get a blanket. she woke up the next morning covered with a blanket! she thanked her mom but her mom did not get her the blanket


they had to nail shut a window that opened every night over and over again no matter how much you closed it

when one of the daughters was about 3 she said "whos that old woman mommy?" and the mother turned around and saw no one.

one time his mom saw a huge swirling black cloud and he ran down and saw it too. she was in hysterics and he was just baffled. this was in the kitchen

mostly, this is a benevolent ghost.

i was sleeping there once and the hallway light turned off and on real fast for about an hour untill his mom killed the circuit for our hallway

these things could be ghosts, or funny flukes lined up.


as for your story my own savior. sounds awesome. go back and get more pics of the orange thing man. that looks awesome, even good enough to be used as a metal album cover. AMBIENT FOREST BLACK METAL RED ASH GOAT WORSHIP as for the red thing, it looks like the bottom half is in the shape of a bison! isnt that weird? the heads facing right

if you go back, get a grim and neckr0 pic too just for me :P bia will photoshop on some corpse paint im sure
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Old 2005-06-18, 14:44
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I will Tranny, in the graveyard.

But I think we're going back tonight with some extra people who're interested in the paranormal. Maybe this time Salina will come.

I'll be taking some more pictures so that Bia can help freak us out.
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hey if you can, post them tonight. i could go for staying up late and talkign about ghosts, i just love this shit
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I have participated in 6 or more insane asylum visits, however, never once have we encountered anything paranormal at these places that are said to be haunted. I still believe, but not from personal experience. My personal experience suggests there is nothing. We even went into underground tunnels to find nothing out of the ordinary.
 
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I've several ghost stories of my own. For example, last summer I was out looking for snakes and I came to a collapsed outbuilding hidden in the woods along a stream. Suddenly, this ghost comes out. I figure he's probably a friendly ghost, so I took his picture. Then he got mad and starting chasing me! But hear is his picture, though.
http://img208.echo.cx/img208/2200/dscn22504ku.jpg

I was checking out this totally sweet abandoned house that's not even a 3 minute walk from where I live. Because most of the doors are boarded up, you have to go through the first floor and then down into the basement in order to get to the rest of the house. So we were down in the basement, right? And I'm like, dude, that's a badass water heater! Then I took a picture of it, and my cousin was like, "Oh, shit! There's a fucking ghost!" Then I was like "Oh, shit! You're right! It's a fucking ghost!" So then we walked past the ghost to get up the stairs and we checked out the rest of the house. I guess the ghost didn't care we were there because he didn't follow us or anything. He was probably just making sure we didn't take that totally sweet water heater!
http://img241.echo.cx/img241/5030/dscn32378dp.jpg

Me and my cousins were checking out this wicked awesome old battery down by the coast. We were walking around, reading all kinds of super neat graffiti and checking out all kinds of wicked nice drug paraphernelia and lounging by some totally awesome rusted out cars when all of a sudden all this ghosts started swarming and attacked us! There were like 500 of them! You can't tell from the photos, but we were really scared! One of us (I won't say who!) even had to change my pants afterward!
http://img241.echo.cx/img241/2576/dscn02581oz.jpg

LOL! Now I know what yous guys are prolly thinkin. Dude, all those pics you took were in places that were totally old, moist, and dusty!!1 Ya right, dood! Those were real ghostis! I know they were real becuz we were LOOKIN for them to begin with!
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LOL! Now I know what yous guys are prolly thinkin. Dude, all those pics you took were in places that were totally old, moist, and dusty!!1 Ya right, dood! Those were real ghostis! I know they were real becuz we were LOOKIN for them to begin with!

Exactly...here's mine.
I was outside and it was dark and it was spooky and it was chilly and it was....a g,g,g,ghost gang.

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I was outside and it was dark and it was spooky and it was chilly and it was....a g,g,g,ghost gang.

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any interesting stories?


Yeah, I had a picture of me taken of me in the house and there was a bunch of orbs in the background or whatever you call them. Also you hear strange noices at night.
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From more than one person I've heard that orbs are angels and nothing to be feared. A friend of mine who adopted a baby whose parents are deceased was surprised to see them in every picture inside and out, and in every type light possible that this child was in. They even sent them back to the place that developed them to see if they were dust particles and they said no. They weren't in the same places in the pictures either and there was a lot of them in some.

I think some of them in a few of your pictures might be dust particles that the light source reflected off though. I've had different things show up with my old slr 35mm that took on odd characteristics, but they were all explained. I knew myself what they were.

If you ever get a chance to watch Sylvia Brown on Montel's she's on about once a week. I don't agree with everything she says, but it's interesting anyways. She also says the orbs are angels. Maybe they were your protection there. You never know.
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I haven't read every post in here yet, but some look pretty interesting. I've had my fair share of the unexplained with voices and sounds. My mom and grandma have experienced paranormal things, too. And my grandma lived in a house down the street when she was a kid that was haunted. Doors and dresser doors used to open and close at will. I should go ask the people that live there now if anything ever happened since they've been there.
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Maybe they were your protection there. You never know.


Why do they pick and choose then?
Makes no sense.
Where's the angels when a child is being molested?
Where's the angels when a child has a 20,000 dollar (made by General Electric) smart guided bomb lands in their neighborhood and blow their arms off?

I could type forever examples of how rediculous that is. And Sylvia Brown is a cold reader....I can do cold readings all day long. It's a sales technique...few have it but those that do stun people because people in general are stupid.
 
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Where's the angels when a child is being molested?
Where's the angels when a child has a 20,000 dollar (made by General Electric) smart guided bomb lands in their neighborhood and blow their arms off?


I think the bigger question is...Where's the camera man to show us the pictures of said angels?
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Oh...I know...the angels are hanging out in grave yards entertaining the goth kids.

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I wish I were dead.... Then I could hang out in graveyards all the time...Instead of just on weekends. I just realized who Jittery Sniper reminds me of. That goth guy on Grand Theft Autos Vice City. VCPR listen to it, it is hysterical. I want to find a fucking cool run down place, But there are none around here.
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chris R, i swear that last picture looks like the inside of an wwII army bunker in my home town in the north shore of boston,its called bailey's hill, they built those things on both coasts, the one ive been in has jail cells, horrible graffiti, wierd room within room type structures,a maze of tunnel beneath all the rooms. ive been in a few different bunker, observation type structures built around WWII, those things are cool, there is one thats used as a marine life observatory that i havent been in<in the same town i grew in>, i wish i had pictures of the outside and inside
 
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Exactly...here's mine.
I was outside and it was dark and it was spooky and it was chilly and it was....a g,g,g,ghost gang.

ghostisis


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chris R, i swear that last picture looks like the inside of an wwII army bunker in my home town in the north shore of boston,its called bailey's hill, they built those things on both coasts, the one ive been in has jail cells, horrible graffiti, wierd room within room type structures,a maze of tunnel beneath all the rooms. ive been in a few different bunker, observation type structures built around WWII, those things are cool, there is one thats used as a marine life observatory that i havent been in<in the same town i grew in>, i wish i had pictures of the outside and inside


That's because we have slews and slews of such forts and batteries all across southern New England. Pretty much the entire coast from northern Mass down through the Cape, past New Bedford and west all the way through Rhode Island.

Those pictures were taken of Battery Milliken right here in New Bedford. It's about a 20 minute walk from my house, it's very nice, you just bring some wire clippers, a couple of decent flashlights, and a camera. I really did take all of those pictures, by the way.
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i donno about those pics but i do beleive in "spirits" (i hate calling them ghosts)
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The weirdest thing that happened to me is hearing voices, but that was probably because I was tired....or seeing a UFO....but that was really a light ontop of a hill : /. Really off topic, but has anyone had that "Sudden Fall" feeling when they are sleeping? By the way, this thread kicks ass.
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yes i have had that feeling.. and yes this thread kicks ass

EDIT: also when i'm half asleep i picture my bed spinning or turning and i feel like i'm turning, it's cool
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haha i'm kinda creeped out now.. i never read the whole thread.. and i just read transient's stories and im listning to burzum.. but yea one time in my house.. and i was scared shitless.. i was home alone, this i was sure of because i was suspended from school, parents at work, sister at school.. and on my top bunk i heard heavy breathing.. as clear as any person's would be. it took me about 15 minutes to gather up the courage to look.. and i looked on my top bunk to see nothing. every now and then i remember that and have to turn my TV on or i can't sleep
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EDIT: also when i'm half asleep i picture my bed spinning or turning and i feel like i'm turning, it's cool


You could have been close to having an OBE.


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or you could be experiencing hte same thing that everyone experiences. show me someone who hasnt had the falling dream. seriously

usually happens when you shouldnt be asleep , like in class or something. thats when its most funny too. see somebody jump real high
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ok that site just confused me but yea i'll look them up.
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or you could be experiencing hte same thing that everyone experiences. show me someone who hasnt had the falling dream. seriously

usually happens when you shouldnt be asleep , like in class or something. thats when its most funny too. see somebody jump real high


I honestly never had the falling dream. Showing myself to you is another story, though.
 
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on the note of hearing voices, i went to a camp, i had mentioned this in the RTT about a month ago, and when i would put my ear to my pillow at night, i would hear kids playing and screaming and shit, but when i lifted my ear i heard the heater/AC unit going, its like the pillow garbled what i was hearing and made it sound like voices, it was freaky but fucking cool as hell
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yeah those bases are cool. too bad no hauntings or ghosts in the one ive been in, but there was a rumor of a forgotten stash of gernades and explosives i remember as a kid.

im more into alien abduction, that was my biggest "afraid of the dark" fear as a kid, the movie communion freaked me out when i was young, ive read the books recently just to see how the story is coz i feared the movie so much.
 
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From what I've heard from other people's experiences, most spirits seem dormant and benevolent. I've you get scared, that's usualy incindental.

As far as theories go, I believe both spirits and in "reflections" are very different phenomena. Spirits seem to be semi-sentient, and they could be either "ghosts" or "dead people", but they could also be as some could call "demons" and "angels", just different "entities". There are like, seven or eight dimmensions know to man? (you science buffs correct me on this), but we can only measure 4, with the last one being time itself. Who knows were spirits are from? They could be all around us, and we don't notice. They probbalby don't notice us for that matter.

As for "reflections", or "hauntings", IMO these can be caused by strong emotional imprints. These "ghosts" seem to be un-sentient and oblivious what happends around them. Usualy at a specific time they will do some stuff thats always the same, like a recorded movie.

And I have a cool story. My aunt, who has had all kinds of weird experiences, some time ago she moved into a new appartment. When she was painting the stairs in the hallway, there were cat footmarks of paint appearing on the place where she didn't paint yet, as if an invisible cat walked all over the hallway. In a calm voice, she said: "Why are you doing that? I can't paint like this!", it stopped and she never had any experiences again.
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I think I know what he's talking about. I've been laying in bed before and sort of half in and out of sleep and it's almost like a body spasm that wakes you up again. You "jump" so to speak.
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I've heard my grandma call my name in this house and I heard the cook I worked with call me from in the pantry when I was alone in the kitchen at work. Other people heard and saw lots of strange things after she died, too. The old superintendent from the original building supposedly haunted the place, too, but I never had any experiences with her.
My neighbors on either side of me have both talked to our vet about pets seeing things. One neighbor said her sister's dog kept looking up to the ceiling so they took it to the vet thinking it might have ear mites or something. He asked if there was any possiblity of haunting there. Her son had talked about an angel who he'd seen near the ceiling. When she got out pictures a couple years later he asked his mom if she remembered the angel and she did. He pointed to a picture and said it was that woman. The woman happened to be his grandma that lived in that house and is right next to mine. I knew her pretty well growing up.
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-wally: Mom, you shouldn't play after me because it makes you sound even worse than you already do. -wally:*grumbles and whispers quietly* I guess it's cuz I love you or something, but you're still a TURD
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The neighbor on the other side was talkinga bout her little corgi acting really strange barking at something in her dining room. She saw the shape of someone in there, felt very cold when she went in the room, and called her husband to come in there and the first thing he remarked about was the temperature. She'd said nothing about it. The chill and vision happened at about the same time her favorite aunt had passed away. The woman's husband passed away 12 days later, too, but without incident. She knew it was at that time because right after she got a call from her cousin in Seattle and he said that she had died. I told her to ask the vet about the thing that she and the dog saw.
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-wally: Mom, you shouldn't play after me because it makes you sound even worse than you already do. -wally:*grumbles and whispers quietly* I guess it's cuz I love you or something, but you're still a TURD
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I told her to ask him for an off-the-record opinion since it's a debateable subject. He said that animals do see things. He and his wife buy and sell antiques and they purchased an old victorian loveseat. Their dog would go into the room and bark a couple times looking at the loveseat and just happily wag it's tail. Then they started seeing the figure of a woman near it once in awhile. They would get up during the night sometimes and find the light on in that room after they had turned it off or find a door open somewhere in the house. Once when they came home the front door was open so they called the cops to investigate. Nothing was gone and everything was fine except several lights were turned on. It happened a couple more times, but they didn't call the law. They figured out it was this woman doing it and finally said out loud that someone might see the open doors and steal her loveseat. It never happened again. And as soon as they sold the loveseat she went away.
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My nana just died and ten minutes before she was said to have passed on my aunt's dog, Kado, started barking. Our whole family is sensitive to shit like that, but I guess there's something about dogs. My nana was a little crazy too. She talked to dead people more than she talked to live ones.
 
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Thanks, dude. They're true.
There's a lot of good ones and some funny sarcastic ones, too.

Chris R'-- Since your one picture has orbs in it, what is your explanation of those? Seriously.
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-wally: Mom, you shouldn't play after me because it makes you sound even worse than you already do. -wally:*grumbles and whispers quietly* I guess it's cuz I love you or something, but you're still a TURD
Grimm:I could read your mind but its in font size .5
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I think I know what he's talking about. I've been laying in bed before and sort of half in and out of sleep and it's almost like a body spasm that wakes you up again. You "jump" so to speak.


I know what he is writing about too, that doesn't change the fact it has never happened to me.
 
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That's cool. I wasn't necessarily talking about your comment, but just stating that I knew what he meant because I have.

When are you going to Germany again?? (Don't hit me! I wrote it down, really.) You better go to some castles while you're there.
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-wally: Mom, you shouldn't play after me because it makes you sound even worse than you already do. -wally:*grumbles and whispers quietly* I guess it's cuz I love you or something, but you're still a TURD
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sleep paralysis- i get it all the time, its a well documented sleep abnormality, the first couple of times i noticed it i serious thought i was being abducted by aliens or some shit, after awhile it becomes an annoyance that you have to fully wake up from then fall back asleep. usually when you notice it your mind forces your body to move, then you realize you cant so this struggle of the will ensues and when you finally break it your body really reacts, sometimes you get a split second siezure. while this is happening your body feels like its falling or in my case being shot thru a cannon at 700mph
 
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Well, that's not quite what I was talking about, but I've sort of experienced something seperately. No alien involvement though. I always thought the limbo state was more just total relaxation. I can do it after I've done total body tensing laying flat on my back and then consciously relaxing everything mentally. It's a sort of yoga thing I learned long time ago. Each time you do it there's a different area that you notice that can be relaxed. It's never been scary to me though.
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sleep paralysis- i get it all the time, its a well documented sleep abnormality, the first couple of times i noticed it i serious thought i was being abducted by aliens or some shit, after awhile it becomes an annoyance that you have to fully wake up from then fall back asleep. usually when you notice it your mind forces your body to move, then you realize you cant so this struggle of the will ensues and when you finally break it your body really reacts, sometimes you get a split second siezure. while this is happening your body feels like its falling or in my case being shot thru a cannon at 700mph


wow thats what that is. ive been having those since i was a wee tot. haha. yeah it happens in my dreams too. once i was dreaming that i was in a supermarket with some people i didnt know, and it seemed like i knew them like i would my family. Then I tripped and fell, and I woke up in a jolt just like the one low-tech explained. It was weird.
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I think I know what he's talking about. I've been laying in bed before and sort of half in and out of sleep and it's almost like a body spasm that wakes you up again. You "jump" so to speak.


It's a shame I couldn't remember any of my dreams (or nightmares for that matter) until about two months ago, since that has happened to me frequently. One such ocassion is when I was lying in bed, I felt a cold tingle running from my legs to around my shoulders, thought nothing of it and went to sleep. Next thing I know I jump out of my bed in the middle of the night with the feeling that someone was trying to strangle me!

Oh about that lovechair thing, that's really interesting, since I have a few WWII relics. I wonder what kind of spirits are around a rifle! And it's an interesting point about the corgi barking, since my sister's apparently psychic friend claims there's an old woman outside my door, and that she's ambigueous, but sometimes evil. Don't really know what to make of it to be honest, but I always feel paranoid when I walk past or see the location around the door to my room, especially since my dog barks at that place sometimes.

Eh, I dunno about all this supernatural stuff. There was a room in my old house that everyone had nightmares about, and my grandmother always said there was an evil presence in that room.

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It's funny how you mentioned the aura of that room. When we looked at 2 different houses to rent almost 20 years ago the first one was very nice, but it just seemed like a house. When we looked at the next one as soon as I walked in the door I knew I wanted to live in it. It had such a warm feeling to it.
I never liked going in the basement at night though. It was big and had seperate rooms in it for a bathroom/shower and the old coal storage room. It had the door for the chute that used to be there, but no windows. There was other windows in the basement though. I had most of my crafting stuff down there since I was big into ceramics back then. One night I realized I was in the basement without any hesitiation. I just did it. I never felt any weirdness about it again.
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When they started playing the commercial for the Nat King Cole album back in the early 80's and it would get to the clip of the song "Unforgetable" the hair on the back of my neck would stand up and I'd feel really weird. I have no idea why. I like the song. After so many months of that it just went away. I don't have a clue about it.
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Some people's voices give me that feeling too. Most notably automated telemarketer voices.
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i was talking to my gran the other day about spirits etc and she told me about this one time when she was around 9 or 10 at her house in the village i live in now. she was sleeping in her room and was awoken by some feeling or instinct she had and looked up and saw this elderly man dressed in 1800 clothes standing over her bed. she screamed (naturally) and he smiled, mouthed that she'd be fine and faded on the spot. apparantly there was a man who lived in the house in the early 1800's who looked after a few young children around my grans age, and her bedroom had been the room where they had all slept...

that freaked the shit outa me! and it wasnt the only time she saw him too. fucking scary shit.
this is an interesting thread!
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That actually brought tears to my eyes. I think that's sweet.

Yeah, it is cool. All we need is the campfire and a couple acoustics. I just have to remember to not dry my shoes too close to the fire so they don't catch fire. No, my feet weren't in them.
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My friend insists that his house is haunted. He said once he was in his kitchen and turned around and saw a white figure staring at him that just disappeared after a few seconds. (needless to say, I along with others made fun of him quite a bit for this story ). Also, one time when I went to his house his sister (who was probably 16 at the time) was like crouched in her car in the garage and was like "I'M NOT GOING BACK IN MY FUCKING ROOM" and she said that like her window started banging randomly and her bed shaking rather vigorously.

I'm still skeptical about ghosts and stuff.

A "weird" thing that happened to me somewhat recently was pertaining to OBEs and such (after getting schooled on things by Pande). I was laying there and my bed just started shaking up and down as if people were engaging in a rather furious humping session right next to me . It was kind of freaky.
 
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lol, all i have to say bout this subject is that there is no haunted house. Ghosts spirits demons angels, whatever u wanna call they are all over the world, so basicaly everyone lives in a hounted house, or whatever. i know its true

im not gonna say more before everyone thinks im crazy
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lol, all i have to say bout this subject is that there is no haunted house. Ghosts spirits demons angels, whatever u wanna call they are all over the world, so basicaly everyone lives in a hounted house, or whatever. i know its true

im not gonna say more before everyone thinks im crazy


Exactly. I live in a 700 unit apt complex built in the 50's
Chances are dozens and dozens of people have passed away while living here over the years....natural causes and such. So it would figure there would be more ghosts here than a single family home that's been around for 10 times as long. But there arent ghosts....just rednecks and hoodrats and gangsta wannabes.


I'd trade them ALL for ghosts anyday!
 
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Exactly. I live in a 700 unit apt complex built in the 50's
Chances are dozens and dozens of people have passed away while living here over the years....natural causes and such. So it would figure there would be more ghosts here than a single family home that's been around for 10 times as long. But there arent ghosts....just rednecks and hoodrats and gangsta wannabes.


I'd trade them ALL for ghosts anyday!
lol, ghosts are everywhere, maybe ur just not ''open'' enough to get notice of them
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lol, all i have to say bout this subject is that there is no haunted house. Ghosts spirits demons angels, whatever u wanna call they are all over the world, so basicaly everyone lives in a hounted house, or whatever. i know its true

im not gonna say more before everyone thinks im crazy


Yes.. but I think some spirits are more bonded to a certain place/person/object me thinks..
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Yes.. but I think some spirits are more bonded to a certain place/person/object me thinks..
yes that true, but then again, people died all over the world for who knows howmany years, so basicaly there bout everywhere, but that doesnt mean everyone of em is causing trouble of whatever.

anyone ever thought of people that died but didnt notice they died and that are spirits now wandering earth wondering y noone talks back at then
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yes that true, but then again, people died all over the world for who knows howmany years, so basicaly there bout everywhere, but that doesnt mean everyone of em is causing trouble of whatever.

anyone ever thought of people that died but didnt notice they died and that are spirits now wandering earth wondering y noone talks back at then


haha that would be funny indeed! they must feel really stupid after going to a bar and trying to order a beer....
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lol, ghosts are everywhere, maybe ur just not ''open'' enough to get notice of them

That could very well be the case.
 
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How come like 90% of the time ghost stories are about some 1700-1800 era person? Why don't people ever see Roman ghosts or Phoenician ghosts? The 1700s and 1800s sucked, who cares about people who lived then?
 
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How come like 90% of the time ghost stories are about some 1700-1800 era person? Why don't people ever see Roman ghosts or Phoenician ghosts? The 1700s and 1800s sucked, who cares about people who lived then?


yeah exacly.... and why are there no ghosts from the future that traveld back in time????
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I beleive in a thing similar to the sixth sense where there a just spirits just walking about etc just we don't know about it.

I have had some experiences which in turn has led me to being an insomniac (hahaha lame i know).

I moved into my house when i was about 11 and since then i am sure there is something in my house. I have a small room but for some reason every single time i go in there i am drawn to a particular corner of my room. It is where i put my guitars, gig bags etc but i normally i am looking higher then that and it just feels as if someone is just standing there.
I had an experience where my I could no longer stand not knowing so i started to call out to whatever was in my room. I asked to make a noise or anything to make themselves known to me. After attempting 2 or 3 times I was about to give up when i started to get a loud knocking on my window. Each time I asked, i got a reply. Then suddenly i felt this gust of wind or energy go past me. Freaking out I put the light to see the door handle was way down as if it was to be open yet the door stayed shut. Windows were completely closed and it was a still night. Also I have no trees outside my house and my room is upstairs.

What i also found wierd was when I had a conversation with my mother (a sceptic) who claims that while watching tv or trying to sleep, she gets this feeling someing is combing her hair or massaging her shoulders. I get the exact same thing. Every now and again you get the sound of people walking over the landing and my mother has complained a lot of times that I was running up and down the landing at 3am. I am normally in my room playing guitar at 3am!

Talking to some neighbours and friends I have heard mixed stories about a woman who hung herself or just died of a heart attack. She truly loved the house.

I try to stay sceptical and believe you will only see, hear stuff when you are actually looking for it. That fear factor can lead to heightened senses and so increase the fear.

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I think most people that die just go away, or pass on to whatever your supposed to pass on to, I think ghosts are people that didn't expect to die, or just refuse to go or something.
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I beleive in a thing similar to the sixth sense where there a just spirits just walking about etc just we don't know about it.

I have had some experiences which in turn has led me to being an insomniac (hahaha lame i know).

I moved into my house when i was about 11 and since then i am sure there is something in my house. I have a small room but for some reason every single time i go in there i am drawn to a particular corner of my room. It is where i put my guitars, gig bags etc but i normally i am looking higher then that and it just feels as if someone is just standing there.
I had an experience where my I could no longer stand not knowing so i started to call out to whatever was in my room. I asked to make a noise or anything to make themselves known to me. After attempting 2 or 3 times I was about to give up when i started to get a loud knocking on my window. Each time I asked, i got a reply. Then suddenly i felt this gust of wind or energy go past me. Freaking out I put the light to see the door handle was way down as if it was to be open yet the door stayed shut. Windows were completely closed and it was a still night. Also I have no trees outside my house and my room is upstairs.

What i also found wierd was when I had a conversation with my mother (a sceptic) who claims that while watching tv or trying to sleep, she gets this feeling someing is combing her hair or massaging her shoulders. I get the exact same thing. Every now and again you get the sound of people walking over the landing and my mother has complained a lot of times that I was running up and down the landing at 3am. I am normally in my room playing guitar at 3am!

Talking to some neighbours and friends I have heard mixed stories about a woman who hung herself or just died of a heart attack. She truly loved the house.

I try to stay sceptical and believe you will only see, hear stuff when you are actually looking for it. That fear factor can lead to heightened senses and so increase the fear.

That is my two cents
welcome to the psychic world, or whatever its called.

i have kinda the same thing as u described above, just less.
this might sound weird but my mom died a few years ago, and sumtimes shes talking to me, and im not shizophrenic, also from smoking weed alot it might happen that u become more open for spiritual stuff, that pretty much how i got involved with that stuff.

just 1 advice, dont get to close with it
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another wierd experience happened pretty much after i wrote that post.

Went to lie down and as i was about to fall asleep something tugged at my arm as if to tell me not to sleep and uh i didn't. Nothing wierd but i was the only person in the house and i don't actually spasm ever. It actually moved me across my bed a little way. Then as i kinda turned it felt like someone was tapping on my arm like when someone taps you on the shoulder.

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" have kinda the same thing as u described above, just less.
this might sound weird but my mom died a few years ago, and sumtimes shes talking to me"

yeah my mother had a child before me which died at birth - she beleives its my guardian angel or something.


I haven't smoked cannabis or any drugs for about 2 years - used to make me pass out and i would hear ambulances and stuff which freaked me a little bit.
 
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All these angels and protective spirits so many believe in....where are they when a person is being horribly abused?

Are some people assigned one and others not?
If so....why?
 
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maybe because some aren't willing to believe and others are? perhaps...
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