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Old 2005-06-16, 09:37
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How do you finger somethin like this?

Got a couple of examples of some songs i have been having trouble with the fingering (ill try explain best i can)

|------------------------R-------R-15--R---15-19p15-M-15-M-----M------
|-------------M------M-17--M--17-----17-----------17----17--I--17-I
|---I--M--R--16--R--16-----16--------------------------------16----16
|--14-16-17-----17---------------------------------------------------
|---------------------------------------------------------------------
|---------------------------------------------------------------------

This is from the 2nd solo in Black Rose Immortal by Opeth.
Ill put what fingers I use to play the notes above them, (i couldnt label the top line, but you can get the idea ) - I(index) M(middle) R(ring) P(pinky) Please tell me if my fingering is correct. Or if there is an easier way.

Im having trouble getting up to speed at this piece, just a few questions about it.
Firstly, at the moment i alt. pick every note except the 19p15 at the top, should i be using more hammers/pulls? Will I still have to pick each note on every string change?
And my fingers get a bit tied up on the ascend and descend. after i pick each note on a string change, I release the note, otherwise the notes sustain and sound shit - Am i doing that right?

And how do you play something like this?
|----------------------------------------
|-----------11-----------------------------
|--------------11--------------------------
|-----------------11-----------------------
|--------------------11-------------------
|----------------------------------------

At the moment I finger each note by alternating fingers, for example index, middle, index, middle, and this is really fuckin hard to do fast lol. I'v tried it by barring the fret and playing notes but they sustain and sound shit.
Any other ways of playing that sorta thing?

Thanks to anyone who can help me out, and sorry to everyone who i just confused the fuck out of It was the only way i could think of explaining it

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Old 2005-06-16, 10:47
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For the first one you don't seem to be using your pinky. Try to do it like this:
Play the first note of a string w/index
Second note w/ring finger
Third w/ pinky. Do that strictly, and you should have no problem once you get the alt. picking right. Just remember, 1 finger per fret.....
Oh, and to to that other thing, you have to barre, but have a rolling motion, as if you were sweeping, so that the notes don't sustain. I can't actually do that, but I know what to do, at least!
Hope that helps.
 
Old 2005-06-16, 12:25
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Yeah, for the second one, you must do it like a sweep, by kind of doing a rolling motion with your finger. It takes practice and is frustrating at first but just work with it. When you get frustrated, practice something else and come back to it later.
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Old 2005-06-16, 16:17
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Yeah, for the second one, you must do it like a sweep, by kind of doing a rolling motion with your finger. It takes practice and is frustrating at first but just work with it. When you get frustrated, practice something else and come back to it later.

fuck them bar sweeps, im to good for them, they are for m4j0r g33t4r n00bs 0mgz
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Old 2005-06-16, 16:32
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i would play it like this
i i p i i
|-----------------------m-----m -15--m---15-19p15-M-15-M-----M------
|-------------i-------i-17---i--17-----17------------17----17--I--17-I
|------i--m--16--m--16----16--------------------------------16----16
|---p-16-17-----17---------------------------------------------------
|--19-------------------------------------------------------------------
|---------------------------------------------------------------------

this way the fingering is easy, and much faster imo

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Old 2005-06-16, 19:53
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fuck them bar sweeps, im to good for them, they are for m4j0r g33t4r n00bs 0mgz


Then what would you do?
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Old 2005-06-16, 20:20
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Yeah, for the second one, you must do it like a sweep, by kind of doing a rolling motion with your finger. It takes practice and is frustrating at first but just work with it. When you get frustrated, practice something else and come back to it later.


its also better to make sure u lock ur wrist. thats wut i learned when watching all the pros do it, they keep their wrists locked when sweep picking
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Old 2005-06-16, 23:07
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Wow thanks a heap guys!
I didnt expect this many people to understand, i looked at my post after posing it and was like i can hope haha.

Thats awesome guys, exactly what i wanted to know

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Old 2005-06-16, 23:28
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For the first one you don't seem to be using your pinky. Try to do it like this:
Play the first note of a string w/index
Second note w/ring finger
Third w/ pinky. Do that strictly, and you should have no problem once you get the alt. picking right. Just remember, 1 finger per fret.....


Yeah, listen to this. USE YOUR PINKY. At first, it is probably your weakest finger, but when you start practicing with it, you'll be able to use it quickly for hammer offs/pulloffs easily.
 
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this way the fingering is easy, and much faster imo

good luck


Just had a bit of a shred playin it that way, and I can play it a hell of a lot faster already.

I love that solo

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Old 2005-06-24, 00:39
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I got a new one for ya :D

Been practising my sweeping and its slowly advancing, i've pretty much only been working at the following -

|-12--------------------------------9----------------------|
|----13--------------------------12---10-------------------|
|-------14--------------------13---------11----------------|
|----------14--------------13---------------11-------------|
|-------------14-12-11-14----------------------12-9-8-----|
|-------------------------------------------------------10--|

This is the first half of the sweep in the 2nd solo from Opeth - The Funeral Portrait.

Im having trouble with the first upstroke,
|12-I
|---13-M
|------14-R
|---------14-R
|------------14-R
Fingers used are labeled - I-ndex M-iddle and R-ing.
I've been doing that "rolled bar" technique over the three 14's, but when i go to bar the 14th fret, it hammers on the note played on the 13.
So it sounds like -
e|12-I
B|--13h14-R
G|--------14-R
D|----------14-R
A|------------14-R

If i'm playing it slowly, i can manage the bar by only barring with the end 3rd of my ring finger.
But at speed I cant seem to do it and it just hammers the 13th fret on the B string. And even if i mute the 13, it still makes a hammer-on sound when i bar.

Are there any tricks to bar 3 strings of a fret, without barring the strings above it?
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Old 2005-06-29, 15:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OpethFan
Been practising my sweeping and its slowly advancing, i've pretty much only been working at the following -

|-12--------------------------------9----------------------|
|----13--------------------------12---10-------------------|
|-------14--------------------13---------11----------------|
|----------14--------------13---------------11-------------|
|-------------14-12-11-14----------------------12-9-8-----|
|-------------------------------------------------------10--|

This is the first half of the sweep in the 2nd solo from Opeth - The Funeral Portrait.

Im having trouble with the first upstroke,
|12-I
|---13-M
|------14-R
|---------14-R
|------------14-R
Fingers used are labeled - I-ndex M-iddle and R-ing.
I've been doing that "rolled bar" technique over the three 14's, but when i go to bar the 14th fret, it hammers on the note played on the 13.
So it sounds like -
e|12-I
B|--13h14-R
G|--------14-R
D|----------14-R
A|------------14-R

If i'm playing it slowly, i can manage the bar by only barring with the end 3rd of my ring finger.
But at speed I cant seem to do it and it just hammers the 13th fret on the B string. And even if i mute the 13, it still makes a hammer-on sound when i bar.

Are there any tricks to bar 3 strings of a fret, without barring the strings above it?


thats amazing
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Old 2005-06-30, 10:23
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thats amazing


What is??

Common' all you sweep pros out there...
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Old 2005-06-30, 15:35
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im not very good at sweep picking, or those arpeggio shapes. the only shape i can do is:

----------12h15p12---------------------
--------12---------12-------------------
------12-------------12-----------------
----14-----------------14---------------
--14---------------------14-------------
-----------------------------------------
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Old 2005-06-30, 22:43
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im not very good at sweep picking, or those arpeggio shapes. the only shape i can do is:

----------12h15p12---------------------
--------12---------12-------------------
------12-------------12-----------------
----14-----------------14---------------
--14---------------------14-------------
-----------------------------------------


Do you find it hard barring the 14th then the 12th frets?
Or is it just a case of that practise thing

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Old 2005-07-01, 18:11
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Do you find it hard barring the 14th then the 12th frets?
Or is it just a case of that practise thing



it could be the practice thing, but im the type that likes to do every seperate note rather than just have my fingers already on it? does that make ne sense.
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Old 2005-07-01, 19:22
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that is how you are supposed to sweep pick. You don't fret the note until it needs to be played. As soon as it is played you release the finger. barring is a bitch though
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