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Old 2005-06-01, 09:43
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I'm firmly convinced Einstein would have been a really, really, really good cognitive psychologist. Unfortunately when he was alive, there weren't very many interesting scientific answers to questions about consciousness and being. It's often interesting to juxtapose people thoughout history with developments they could never have predicted.

I would have posted in this thread earlier, but amateur theology gives me hives.
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Old 2005-06-01, 10:36
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Old 2005-06-01, 11:43
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Old 2005-06-01, 12:25
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I'm firmly convinced Einstein would have been a really, really, really good cognitive psychologist. Unfortunately when he was alive, there weren't very many interesting scientific answers to questions about consciousness and being. It's often interesting to juxtapose people thoughout history with developments they could never have predicted.

I would have posted in this thread earlier, but amateur theology gives me hives.


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Old 2005-06-01, 16:26
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You got it backwards. "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

So? Everyone says shit they don't mean at some point for whatever reason. A lot of physicists back then pretended to be religious at times for political reasons just like many other scientists back through the ages with the Greeks being a perfect example. Most physicists who have studied Einstein in great detail believe him to be have been an atheist at heart. I realize it's fun for religious people to pick out the few quotes of his which appear to paint him as a religious man, but it is bullshit to print it out of context like that without his permission. Personally, I've never been overly impressed with Einstein's grasp of relativity but he was definitely a genius for his time and I tend to agree with those that think he was an atheist. The following discussion of the many supposed contradictions of Einstein is a perfect example of how little the general public really knew for a fact about him and his beliefs.

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Given the voluminous literature on Albert Einstein (including more than a dozen biographies in the 1990s alone), it is surprising that so little scholarly attention has been paid to the scientist's religious views. Israeli physics professor Jammer, who knew Einstein personally, shows us an Einstein whose nominal childhood faith turned to atheism while preparing for a bar mitzvah that never took place. From then on, Einstein's religious views were a bundle of apparent contradictions: he corresponded with the world's great spiritual leaders yet disapproved of religious instruction for his sons, arguing that it was "contrary to all scientific thinking." He claimed that "science without religion is lame" but never set foot in a synagogue and requested not to be buried in the Jewish tradition. While eluding definitive conclusions about Einstein's deistic "cosmic religion," Jammer demonstrates that religion fascinated the man throughout his career, prompting him to publish articles in the New York Times and elsewhere. Chapters 1 and 2 profile Einstein's religious development and the controversial reception his ideas found with theologians, rabbis and Christian clergy. The more recondite chapter 3 explores the theological implications of Einstein's theories (Jammer does not exaggerate when he cautions the reader that this section "requires some familiarity with the foundations of modern physics"). Jammer's writing is not always as sophisticated as his ideas; he relies too heavily on long quotations from other sources and abstruse jargon. In all, though, this is a compelling, long overdue treatment of a neglected topic. (Oct.)
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Nobody disputes that Albert Einstein was a genius, and the public perceives him to be nearly omnipotent in the field of physics. Because he had such impressive intellectual abilities that could reveal secrets of the universe, many people have been interested in learning about Einstein's personal views of religion. Einstein and Religion attempts to shed light on Einstein's beliefs in an unbiased manner. The book is divided into three chapters, one on the role of religion in his private life, one on his philosophy of religion, and one on how his physics combines with theology. Physicist Max Jammer spends a good deal of time analyzing the famous Einsteinian quote, "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." For ardent fans of Einstein, this work provides a fascinating look into Einstein's private thoughts."



That proves nothing besides the fact that he was a little loopy.

I got the quote backwards, but it basically means the same thing.


Here is another interesting one to think about:

"Now he has departed from this strange world a little ahead of me. That means nothing. People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion." -Einstein.

And here is one that leads me to believe he hated his work in making weapons:

"I know not with what weapons world war III will be fought but world war IV will be fought with sticks and stones." -Einstein

Whatever.
 
Old 2005-06-01, 17:14
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That proves nothing besides the fact that he was a little loopy.

I got the quote backwards, but it basically means the same thing.


Here is another interesting one to think about:

"Now he has departed from this strange world a little ahead of me. That means nothing. People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion." -Einstein.

And here is one that leads me to believe he hated his work in making weapons:

"I know not with what weapons world war III will be fought but world war IV will be fought with sticks and stones." -Einstein

Whatever.


In fact little known, Einstein was a pacifist and an avid humanrights activist, he hated what his was made with his theories. But he knew Hitler's scientist were developing an program for the a-bomb too, so he rather had the Americans make it.
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Old 2005-06-01, 17:18
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Old 2005-06-01, 17:43
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Old 2005-06-01, 17:54
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Old 2005-06-01, 19:17
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And here is one that leads me to believe he hated his work in making weapons


That's pretty well know, regardless of the quote.
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Old 2005-06-01, 23:45
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Yeah minus the pretty part Ive been thinking alot about this for some reason. I fucking hate work. And just thinking I have to do it for the rest of my life is kind of depressing.

Thats only if I dont make it in the music industry.
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Old 2005-06-02, 02:26
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That proves nothing besides the fact that he was a little loopy.

True. I was just flaming you since you openly asked for it, not to be a dick. No one knows what Einstein really thought about that shit for sure at this point and like most geniuses his opinions would have been constantly changing.

As far as death goes, Death ruled, then the creator of Death died. After that Death still ruled, but the death of Death totally sucked ass.
 
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Yeah minus the pretty part Ive been thinking alot about this for some reason. I fucking hate work. And just thinking I have to do it for the rest of my life is kind of depressing.

Thats only if I dont make it in the music industry.


I hear you, brother. Every minute spent at work is another fucking useless waste of your life. I love how everyone tells me "Wow, I'm getting 50 hours at my..." and I complete it with "... shitty minimum wage job where you dick around doing mindless, mundane bullshit and have no time to do much greater things like sleep and watch grass grow." Fucking tards think working at a grocery store or department store is noble and that they will have a sweet pay check at the end of the week. There is nothing sweet about getting $300 for 50 hours of work. Waste your life and don't fucking talk to me.
 
Old 2005-06-02, 02:49
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I enjoy work.
I enjoy the fruits of labor.
What sucks is...the unfair paywage.
The hardworking guys make the least...and the soft cushy tards make the most.
Kinda ass backwards if you ask me.
In my world...an iron worker or carpenter or warehouse worker should make 20 times more than a pencil pushing banker....or a tardass "consultant"
But sadly that world is a fantasy.
 
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I enjoy work.
I enjoy the fruits of labor.

I can only agree with you to a certain extent. I liked look back at a car I just completely rebuilt. But doing it over again. Then again and again and again. I love cars but still doin gthe same shit over and over again gives me no fruits of labor. Plus the bills and whatnot, you have barely any time left to enjoy yourself. I want nothing more than to just sit at a house with a couple of beers, a woman that I love, and great fucking music. But thats just a fantasy.
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i have a completely different view when it comes to working.

there are few things more satisfying than earning you salary at the end of the month due to your hard work and dedication.

i used to work from 22:00 to 9:00 delivering drinks (beer, water, orange juice, etc.) to supermarkets, bars and restaurants in 4 different cities. i had to load and unload a shitload of "crates" (this may not be the right word, but it's the container where the drinks are stacked. feel free to correct me.) every night, 7 days per week.

it was a shitty job? you can bet it was, but it paid my computer and my PlayStation, among others things.

despite the fact that i hated what i was doing, nothing gave me more satisfaction that having my boss giving me my cash at the end of month and telling me "i wish we had more kids like you who are willing to lose nights of fun to work hard." not only this makes you feel good but it also proofs that you can go to places without sucking cocks or rubbing people's ego. it may not happen everytime but working hard and giving 100% on every task you're asked to do will eventually be rewarded.

may be it's because i'm from a different country and i view things differently here (due to social-economical situations) but i can't imagine myself not working, no matter what and where the work is.
 
Old 2005-06-02, 09:11
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[QUOTE=k13m]im definatly not afraid of death. y some peeps shit their pants for it, i dont know.





I agree with u think of your way of death . sorry about your mom my grandma deid of cancer to feel for man but i lik dimmu borgir to
 
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i ran an entire shipping and recieving operation by myself for 8 dollars an hour 40 hours a week. it totally sucked. i dont even wanna say what i make now with this new job, the pay scale, distribution of wealth in this country is criminal. to earn above the poverty line is something like 12-15 dollars an hour and the minimum wage is set at like 6.50-7.00<in some states even less>. ive had better jobs and pay working under the table doing construction thats suppose to be illegal<moreso than other forms of under the table work> and obviously dangerous due to the nature of insurance for injury<whether you injure yourself or someone else>. since bush is gonna dump social security on the stock market like some ponzi scheme, death is gonna be retirement from working your ass off forever barely getting by when your old. death will be the ultimate fuck you to a boss, to a state, to your stupid taxes, to the irs, to the entire system, to all your debts you couldnt hope to pay to keep your head above water

i hope death is like hades, kinda like a limbo situation, you walk around as a ghost, hang out with other ghosts, talk about shit. i always thought it'd be cool to wander the earth invisible, just observe shit
 
Old 2005-06-02, 12:47
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I'm having a real hard time convincing myself to go back into foodservice. Not from the pay, but from the lifting and stuff that just doesn't always agree with me. I've done house-keeping and hotel front desk work, and worked in an icecream shop and in a bakery. The latter being for minimum wage or less.

I never made above $10 a hour til the Receiving Home switched to a treatment center. I fought about going to the classes and the safety hazards of having kids where there were so many things to be used as weapons. Our knives were locked up. But the classes I was forced to take proved to be more profitable to my own self-understanding than I'd ever dreamed and I got a big shot in the arm of self-confidence, too. When the kids finally did come into the kitchen to learn life skills we had a ball and I never had a problem with any of them. That's something I do really miss are the kids. They taught me a lot, too.
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Old 2005-06-02, 12:49
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A detective friend I know told me he'd had many jobs, but working with the force was something he loved so much he would have done it even if the pay was lousy. He just retired recently.

My grandma used to say "If you can't do what you like then like what you're doing." Sometimes I've had to resort to that. Motherhood is really the only 'job' I've loved like no other. It's the only one I've ever been certain about wanting to do. I still don't know what I want to be when/if I grow up.
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Old 2005-06-02, 18:43
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In my world...an iron worker or carpenter or warehouse worker should make 20 times more than a pencil pushing banker....or a tardass "consultant"
But sadly that world is a fantasy.


Well, I'm not sure I agree.

Take the accountancy profession. I, a trainee at the lowest end of the spectrum, get paid less than a carpenter, plumber and probably an iron worker as well. However, if I were to reach the level of audit partner I could earn up to Ģ250,000 depending on the size of the firm.

The reason audit partners are paid so much is not only due to the high level of technical knowledge and experience required but also down to the high level of responsibility involved. A wrong audit opinion on a set of accounts will almost certainly lead to the firm being sued. That's only the half of it: the firm's reputation will be damaged, clients jump ship and before you know it the audit partner is responsible for several audit juniors losing their jobs.

That's a lot of pressure for essentially just signing off a set of accounts and I don't begrudge them one penny because if they want to take that risk then they deserve everything they earn. I certainly wouldn't want that level of pressure. Not many people do; that's why they have to pay them a lot of money.

What repercussions are there for an iron worker who produces defective ironware? Not much. It's the guy who checks his work that gets it in the neck for allowing the defective goods to go on sale. Who's earning the most money? The guy with the most pressure and, hence, the least job security.

What I don't agree with is company directors rewarding themsleves for failure, ie, the company's profit is a reduction of the previous years' yet the directors still receive a bonus. Now that is the wrong way 'round!

Business eh?
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Old 2005-06-02, 18:53
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Well John...you're correct basing this on reality.

My theory is far fetched fantasy....human stupidity...pride and greed would never allow my world to exist...but those same things assures the senario you showed.

If people took pride in their work....then the "callous mistake" factor would not exist....and the accountant and iron worker equally would have concern over the quality of their work.

I know my wishes will never be reality....but I'll always admire a man that gets dirty...sweaty and risks life and limb much more than pencil pushers.
Even though...the modern world needs both.

 
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Yep, it's a symbiotic relationship: businesses need pen pushers as much as pen pushers need business. Although I'm sure you'll agree, nobody needs tax inspectors!
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Meh, death. I'm not afraid of it right now, but of course when I feel it is near, like I get hit by a bus or live to 90 years old, I'll fear it. What happens when you die? For me you just become nothing. Imagine that, all those years of life, and suddenly, absolutely nothing. Eh, I dunno.

On the subject of work, over the summer I'll try to find some "man's work", but I'll only be 15 so I guess it'll be hard. I'd hate to work in a place where you have to relate to people. Waking up early in the morning and you're in bad mood, then you go to work and have to put on a smile and say "Oh yes sir, our fine selection of sports shoes is located over here, let me show you the way" or whatever. Fuck that.

Oh the subject of a worker's paradise (haha!), it would be nice, but obviously it'll never happen. Eh I don't even know what I'm babbling on about , but fuck politics, you can't change a thing, well not anything that actually mattered. Heh, imagine that, living in an ultimate democracy, everything decided by referenda.

Oh yeah , Death rawks my sawks!

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if an iron worker fucked up on ironware? you can die easily from welding and blind, injure or kill others around you in no time, a shit weld will wear and fuck up whatever your building, like for instance a fire escape? a jungle gym in a school park? a 100 story skyscraper?

but thats not even my point, welders<especially underwater welders> get paid a shitload, and a carpenter will learn to be a contractor over the years and make good pay, my point was living wage, being able to live ok,not rich, just being able to afford rent, car insurance,bills and so on from entry level jobs, jobs immigrants work, jobs college kids work, blue collar jobs
 
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Waking up early in the morning and you're in bad mood, then you go to work and have to put on a smile and say "Oh yes sir, our fine selection of sports shoes is located over here, let me show you the way" or whatever. Fuck that.

Amen!
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In my world...an iron worker or carpenter or warehouse worker should make 20 times more than a pencil pushing banker....or a tardass "consultant"
But sadly that world is a fantasy.


Yes that is a fantasy, and I'm glad. I'd put my own opinion forth on your quote but John has kindly done that for me...
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Old 2005-06-02, 21:49
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heh...I really should stay focused on reality.

 
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About Einstein, he did say that "God does not play dice", yet his theories depicted the exact opposite scenario. I believe his greatest actual leaning towards a belief in deity would have been agnosticism.

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I would have posted in this thread earlier, but amateur theology gives me hives.


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if an iron worker fucked up on ironware? you can die easily from welding and blind, injure or kill others around you in no time, a shit weld will wear and fuck up whatever your building, like for instance a fire escape? a jungle gym in a school park? a 100 story skyscraper?


Yep, I agree, but It'd be quality control who get it in the neck not the welder.

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About Einstein, he did say that "God does not play dice", yet his theories depicted the exact opposite scenario.


Well, not really. He stubbornly refused to accept Quantum Mechanics and would not incorporate any QM in his subsequent theories due to the belief that you stated.

All of Einstein's theories are basically extensions of classical mechanics and involve no probabilities whatsoever. For example, his special relativity can be used to predict where particles end up after colliding. Unfortunately, these are not exact predictions as they don't make provision for quantum effects. The difference is that relativity gives an exact point that is slightly inaccurate whereas quantum theory gives a probability that the particle is in any given point at any one time.
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All of Einstein's theories are basically extensions of classical mechanics and involve no probabilities whatsoever. For example, his special relativity can be used to predict where particles end up after colliding. Unfortunately, these are not exact predictions as they don't make provision for quantum effects. The difference is that relativity gives an exact point that is slightly inaccurate whereas quantum theory gives a probability that the particle is in any given point at any one time.


Want a job in the Navy? That is absolutly correct and very useful to know in understanding nuclear engineering. You never fail to amaze me, John.
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Want a job in the Navy? That is absolutly correct and very useful to know in understanding nuclear engineering. You never fail to amaze me, John.


Haha, well I did study it to degree level so if I didn't know it I'd be in deep shit with my tutors!

I think I should've joined the British Navy so that I could make use of my degree more. The only problem is I have a very healthy fear of drowning and being in a position whereby actions - no matter how far-fetched - could cause me to drown! Although I did hear that 30% of all Navy personnel can't swim.
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Although I did hear that 30% of all Navy personnel can't swim.

That's pretty close to the truth. The swimming test in boot camp was pretty comical to watch. A lot of the guys could not swim at all, but they coached them enough to dog paddle a small distance and passed them all.

Very nice synopsis of the Einstein viewpoint. He was largely at odds with the QM community all the way to the end. Motherfucker did prove that the air had particles in it though, so I gotta give him props.
 
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All the more reason not to sink Those 30% fight harder and longer then anyone else to keep the ship afloat. I'm scared to drowned too, but in a way that makes it even more exciting. I can swim for a very long way before I get tired and if I have my rubber ducky then there should be no reason to drowned.
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Soulinsane, I'm hearing you sing this song while gazing into the eyes of your rubber ducky and picturing you floating in an innertube in the ocean in your dungarees and dixie cup.

"Rubber ducky , you're the one
You make bathtime lots of fun
Rubber ducky, I'm awfully found of youuu!"-- Ernie from Sesame Street

And, yes, after about 17 years I still remember all the words to that song.
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lol, sure. Why not sing that if I was drifting in the ocean. I don't think I would have anything better to do at that point

The rubber ducky is the life vest kit we are issued on a carrier. You wear it on your belt during battle stations and if you have to ditch or fall in the water it has a rip cord that inflates it in a second. You simply spin your web belt around so that rubber ducky is in front of you, open the snap, pull it over your head, and pull the cord. It has a light stick, flash light and a whisle attached too. It will keep you afoat for days, maybe weeks. If that doesn't work I can make a life vest out of my pants.

Plus it is yellow... the same yellow as a rubber ducky
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Old 2005-06-04, 13:00
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That's cool. I learned something new. I knew about the pants and slapping the hat down on the water to float.
I'd like to know how the sailors that wore those 13 button pants managed though. My dad's WW2 uniform had those. And they were wool.
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The dress blues still have 13 buttons and are made of wool too. Buttons will not stop you if you need to get them off fast though.

You know why there are 13 buttons on the traditional dress blues?
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Nope, but I bet you'll educate me. You aren't on a ballistic are you?
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