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Old 2005-05-21, 15:39
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Mustaine vs."Satanic" bands

I don't know if anyone has posted this already.

But I was wondering what everyone thinks of Dave Mustaine kicking Dissection off the Metalist Festivial (a gig which was 100 percent confirmed) because he refuses to share the stage with "Satanic Bands" because of his new beliefs.

Mustaine was also willing to cancel Megadeth's Greek tour dates because one of the supporting acts was Rotting Christ. But then when someone asked Dave if he minds if they played with them. He said

"Yes, I did say I would prefer not to play on concerts with Satanic bands. That doesn't mean I won't, it doesn't mean I would not talk with the bands either, (sometimes it is just for fun anyway with these bands)"

OK he kicks Dissection off but leaves Rotting Christ on. And with his statement "sometimes it's just for fun". Yeah it's true but how would he know if Dissection was serious or not when he never even talked to them?

And my friend (I don't know if this is true) said that Dave refuses to play Looking Down The Cross, Devil's Island, The Skull Beneath The Skin, Black Friday, Bad Omen, bassically any of his songs with "evil" or "satanic" refrerences.

So yeah what do you guys think about what Dave is doing?
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Old 2005-05-21, 15:51
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daves a religious pussy afraid to be on the same stage as someone antipolar to his belief system. hes a 40 year old christian dad who should get the hell off the stage and leave megadeth's name alone. they ruled in the day, not anymore
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Old 2005-05-21, 19:34
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This can't be true. Those are some of the best Megadeth songs ever. DEVIL'S ISLLANNND!! Agh, screw that.
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Old 2005-05-21, 20:12
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When will people realise....Dave Mustaine incredible guitarist, fantastic song writer, maybe not so hot a singer, but a total dick when he opens his mouth to talk about something!
All his career he's opened his trap and put his foot in it!
Anybody remember his speach in Northern Ireland in the late 80's? Dedicating Anarchy in the UK to the IRA was not a clever idea. Wasn't there a riot and Megadeth gave Ireland a wide birth for many years(this was also the inspiration for Holy Wars).
When he was on the 'wagon' and drink and drug free he got into hissy fits with tour partners if they wanted to have a beer etc.
On the Clash of the Titans tour he refused point blank to go on after Slayer and daily slagged the other bands off to the press!
Need I go on?

As for not playing any of those old classic tunes...when did he last play them? I saw 'em live 7 years ago and he played nothing of the old stuff apart from 'In My Darkest Hour' and 'Peace Sells'!!!!!!!?????
The fact is Dave always has his panties in a bunch about something and it usually involves his latest lifestyle trip.

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Old 2005-05-22, 00:38
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hehe, kerry king called him a cocksucker
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daves a religious pussy afraid to be on the same stage as someone antipolar to his belief system. hes a 40 year old christian dad who should get the hell off the stage and leave megadeth's name alone. they ruled in the day, not anymore


Well he can still play and perform very well, but his writing just will never be what it used to be, especially with these 3rd rate guitarists he uses.


Dave Mustaine is still my idol, but I will admit, he needs to lighten up with this religious business. I guess a midlife crisis really changes a guy...
And for not playing Devil's Island anymore, shame on you David, that is one of my favorite songs.
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I don't know if anyone has posted this already.

But I was wondering what everyone thinks of Dave Mustaine kicking Dissection off the Metalist Festivial (a gig which was 100 percent confirmed) because he refuses to share the stage with "Satanic Bands" because of his new beliefs.

Mustaine was also willing to cancel Megadeth's Greek tour dates because one of the supporting acts was Rotting Christ. But then when someone asked Dave if he minds if they played with them. He said

"Yes, I did say I would prefer not to play on concerts with Satanic bands. That doesn't mean I won't, it doesn't mean I would not talk with the bands either, (sometimes it is just for fun anyway with these bands)"

OK he kicks Dissection off but leaves Rotting Christ on. And with his statement "sometimes it's just for fun". Yeah it's true but how would he know if Dissection was serious or not when he never even talked to them?

And my friend (I don't know if this is true) said that Dave refuses to play Looking Down The Cross, Devil's Island, The Skull Beneath The Skin, Black Friday, Bad Omen, bassically any of his songs with "evil" or "satanic" refrerences.

So yeah what do you guys think about what Dave is doing?


Devil's Island? Did your friend actually read that name in particular or did he just pull it out of his ass? Devil's Island has nothing to do with satanism. Devil's Island was a prison colony and the song is about a criminal who is spared execution and sent there instead.

I also don't get Looking Down the Cross, The Skull Beneath the Skin, and Bad Omen. Sure, those songs all have something to do with religion in one way or another, but I'm pretty sure he hasn't played any of those songs for years anyway. In fact, I have a bootleg where he plays Black Friday, and he says something like "I haven't played this in 10 years, I told myself I would never play it again, but fuck it, I'm playing it."

If Dave actually has played Looking Down the Cross, The Skull Beneath the Skin, or Bad Omen any time in the past 10 years and somebody has mp3s, PM me and I'll trade you for them. I'd also be interested in any recent versions of Black Friday, but only if the Good Mourning part is played as well.
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Old 2005-05-22, 08:15
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well i read in an interview that he indeed doesnt want to play any satanic songs, i forgot which ones in particular, i believe it was bad omen.
 
Old 2005-05-22, 17:17
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that is pretty fucking lame. Who gives a shit what someone does, you don't have to fucking go listen to them. Man dave just fucking lost some major fucking cool points there.
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Old 2005-05-22, 18:00
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How is he going to refuse playing Looking Down The Cross, Devil's Island, The Skull Beneath The Skin, Black Friday, and Bad Omen when he is in a band called MegaDETH?
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Devil's Island? Did your friend actually read that name in particular or did he just pull it out of his ass? Devil's Island has nothing to do with satanism. Devil's Island was a prison colony and the song is about a criminal who is spared execution and sent there instead.

I smell bullshit (not from Chris). They played Devil's Island when they toured Aus.
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Old 2005-05-22, 23:39
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Devil's Island was a prison colony and the song is about a criminal who is spared execution and sent there instead.

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you refering to alchatras? (sp)
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Old 2005-05-23, 00:51
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But no, I think Devil's Island is in France, I think.
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Old 2005-05-23, 01:55
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Does anyone actually know for curtain that he refuses to play with Satanic bands and play Satanic songs, or are we just assuming shit because of what Dissection said? I can't see Dave not wanting to do his own songs. Perhaps not wanting to play with certain bands, sure, but I don't think it would be because of religious reasons.
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Old 2005-05-23, 03:43
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I am very glad to hear this, I'm not really a Megadeath fan, but I have mad respect for him now. He certainly knew that this would piss off a fair amount of his "fans" but he went ahead and did it anyway. Very cool.
We need more of this.
 
Old 2005-05-23, 03:46
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I don't know - most genuine Megadeth fans would care very little for some gay black metal band anyway. And if they do care about Dissection then Megadeth doesnt need them anyway.
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Old 2005-05-23, 03:51
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I am very glad to hear this, I'm not really a Megadeath fan, but I have mad respect for him now. He certainly knew that this would piss off a fair amount of his "fans" but he went ahead and did it anyway. Very cool.
We need more of this.

thats true, i give him respect for doing what he believes in. even if i think its dumb
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Old 2005-05-23, 03:55
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I don't know - most genuine Megadeth fans would care very little for some gay black metal band anyway. And if they do care about Dissection then Megadeth doesnt need them anyway.


Completely agree Dave might have been, and perhaps still is, a very troubled person but he is still here doing what he loves and kicking asses doing it.

Has anyone seen the video, Of Mice and Men? Fucking great song and video!
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Old 2005-05-23, 03:57
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know of a site where i can get it? and the vid for in my darkest hour yahoo launch doesnt have em
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Old 2005-05-23, 04:01
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I have a few Megadeth vids but that new one is touching,... really. Kinda sad but inspiring too.
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Old 2005-05-23, 04:01
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what new one? of mice and men i thought that was an older tune
the book wasnt too good imo
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"Of Mice and Men" is a new vid off "The System has Failed". Great song. It kinda consolidates Dave's life and gives a meassage to live your life and live it well.
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Devil's Island was a French prison colony in South America, I think off the coast of what's now known as French Guayana. It's supposed to be the inspiration for Kafka's In the Penal Colony and can be seen in the movie Papillon with Steve McQueen, which, as is usual for McQueen movies, features a prison break.

Whoever pointed out the 'irony' that a man in a band named Megadeth doesn't like Satanism needs to recall that death is neither Satanic nor anti-Christian. Sometimes, you guys really surprise me.
 
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Devil's Island was a French prison colony in South America, I think off the coast of what's now known as French Guayana. It's supposed to be the inspiration for Kafka's In the Penal Colony and can be seen in the movie Papillon with Steve McQueen, which, as is usual for McQueen movies, features a prison break.

Whoever pointed out the 'irony' that a man in a band named Megadeth doesn't like Satanism needs to recall that death is neither Satanic nor anti-Christian. Sometimes, you guys really surprise me.


Devil's island is in the Caribbean Sea. I went there on my Honeymoon. It's far from grim actually.
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Old 2005-05-23, 05:27
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So is Australia, but it was still a penal colony. I should've guessed you honeymooned there.
 
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I would love to visit Australia someday; perhaps on my next deployment but I'm sure I'll end up in the sand box. I have known a few Navy Senior Chiefs that got there asses kicked by fighting kangeroos while drunk.
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They are lucky they weren't gutted.

I got the video clip for "Of Mice and Men" off the megadeth website ... maybe its still there!

I think its quite nifty as well. I have the clip for (i think) Die Dead Enough as well, but it is nowhere near as good as the OMaM one.

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I am very glad to hear this, I'm not really a Megadeath fan, but I have mad respect for him now. He certainly knew that this would piss off a fair amount of his "fans" but he went ahead and did it anyway. Very cool.
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thats true, i give him respect for doing what he believes in. even if i think its dumb


It's absolutely moronic. I have no problem with religious people, but when people get all high and mighty it really pisses me off. It's intolerant and petty.
If that was the genuine reason, Dave is being a dick.
He should just forgive them and let them play.
 
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Whoever pointed out the 'irony' that a man in a band named Megadeth doesn't like Satanism needs to recall that death is neither Satanic nor anti-Christian. Sometimes, you guys really surprise me.


Surprising? Surely you jest. Annoying? Okay, I'll buy that.
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if Dave is a believer, i dont care... if hes canceling shows and side acts because of it, he should quit the music biz...

i think he should have gone on after Slayer, not just because i like Slayer but because he should have realized the there not serious about it, Toms a Christian for fucks sake!
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if Dave is a believer, i dont care... if hes canceling shows and side acts because of it, he should quit the music biz...

i think he should have gone on after Slayer, not just because i like Slayer but because he should have realized the there not serious about it, Toms a Christian for fucks sake!


well maybe he's cancelling shows because he's missing church i think this has been overly discussed..
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hehe wonder how it would have been if Kerry stayed in Megadeth and Marty Friedman went for Slayer?
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hehe wonder how it would have been if Kerry stayed in Megadeth and Marty Friedman went for Slayer?


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If Dave is still alive, and if my band ever makes it. I am going to beat Dave Mustaines ass. And I really like megadeth. BUT I LOVE DISSECTION. So Dave is a faggot, and when I see Megadeth again, which I will, I will yell at Dave and call him a pussy xtian faggot for not letting superb bands like Dissection share the stage with him. Though Dissection may be weak from prison(jon hehe) they are far from done with. Dissection will get better, try taking a 7 year break from rehearsing, see how you feel going on stage after that asswipes.
 
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Yeah, I always tought Dave was a whiney asshole, but I realy lose me last bit of respect of him over this. You might not like one's band idealogy, but in metal, those aspects aren't rare. But metalheads are brothers, and shouldn't have this rockstar attitude. I mean, c'mon, they just share a stage. It's not like the band asks Dave if they can sodomize his daughter.
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Yeah, I always tought Dave was a whiney asshole, but I realy lose me last bit of respect of him over this. You might not like one's band idealogy, but in metal, those aspects aren't rare. But metalheads are brothers, and shouldn't have this rockstar attitude. I mean, c'mon, they just share a stage. It's not like the band asks Dave if they can sodomize his daughter.
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I too liked the Of Mice and Men video.

It's not hard to believe that Dave kicked Dissection off the tour...look at how many band mates he's went through. I still love Megadeth though.

And Dimebag was also offered to play in Megadeth, but Marty Friedman simply fit.
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Dave is THE MAN.... It is no more simple then that. I don't feel that he kicked dissection out of the show because of beliefs in religion. Let face it...they suck!
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Old 2005-05-28, 12:21
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Dave is THE MAN.... It is no more simple then that. I don't feel that he kicked dissection out of the show because of beliefs in religion. Let face it...they suck!


Maybe, but thats totaly subjective. Other people might think Megadeth suck, that doesn't give them the right to cancel other peoples concerts.
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I too liked the Of Mice and Men video.
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its slowly grown on me, but the 'solos' are embarassing compared to their older ones
think that kids related to dave? nephew perhaps
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Old 2005-05-28, 18:02
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Dave is THE MAN.... It is no more simple then that. I don't feel that he kicked dissection out of the show because of beliefs in religion. Let face it...they suck!

I think someone needs to here more Dissection.
 
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Dave is THE MAN.... It is no more simple then that. I don't feel that he kicked dissection out of the show because of beliefs in religion. Let face it...they suck!

Ditto
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Dave is THE MAN.... It is no more simple then that. I don't feel that he kicked dissection out of the show because of beliefs in religion. Let face it...they suck!

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i just read an interview with Jeff Hanneman. he says, quote, "I think the guy is out of his mind..."
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who is dave or jon?
 
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who is dave or jon?


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its slowly grown on me, but the 'solos' are embarassing compared to their older ones
think that kids related to dave? nephew perhaps


The solo's have slipped a lot since Dave's Rust days.

The kid in the video seems like an exact version of Dave at a younger age...relation seems like a possibilty.

And I'm with Soulinsane...Megadeth simply is better than Dissection. Bands that sell an image (read: Dimmu Borgir, Slipknot, etc.) piss me off.
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