Here are two articles written by Varg Vikernes himself (December 2004), where he tells the motives of killing Euronymous and about Burzum's background. As if this would finish some of those gossips and debates about Burzum.

http://www.burzum.org/eng/library/article52.shtml

also a new interview:

http://www.metalcrypt.com/pages/int...e.php?intid=170

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I don't know what to believe. Yes, some of it would make sense and it should be right but at the end of the day we can only hear one side of the story. Although, the murder sounds right seeing as I think it was Necro Butcher who said that he saw blood in Euronymous's flat.

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Somewhat good news if hes still playing guitar and where he said if he did release anything it would sound like the old shit.I guess he realized the guitar is not just a "nigger instrument".

hmm...

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good read. thanks

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yeah, ive seen the ones on burzum. org. and iw as just told about the metal crypt one. he's mellowing out now, isnt he

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yeah, must be life behind bars...that wld suck big time. imagine that, all his creativity and he cant do anything yet with it...

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maybe later he will realize what a fucking cunt he was?

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true...

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i dig some of burzums music but as a person verg is a fucking idiot, the guy flip flops more then john kerry did

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He's just maturing and wants to pretend he was never the idiot he was. Unfortunately, the best way to deal with having been an idiot is to try to correct yourself, not pretend you've been consistent for your entire life. But at least he's doing what you're supposed to do as you age, kinda.

Oh, and reading his articles and books is at least somewhat entertaining. He's definitely got some intelligence buried under all that insanity.

Definetly a cool read. Hearing the story from his part was really interesting, and I would have to say I agree with the section on women in his interview.

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Interesting. Personally I like this side of the story, I'm gonna go on believing this (unless he changes his mind again).

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yeah, you cant deny that hes got some smarts. he knows a lot about mythology and the old culture of scandinavia. he writes in english beautifully, albeit its kind of hard to read. he speaks german norwegian and english. hes obviously got a thirst for knowledge, just what he does with it is questionable.


and by the way, whoever said it, he doesnt have life behind bars. hes out in august 2008 i think. at most, he was in for 21 years.... but i think it got reduced

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Yes, but considering that he's a rascist and convicted murderer that's not such an achievement.

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when i said life beind bars i meant life asin the way he's livning not in the time he'll be locked up

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He's out, hopefully, next year. 12 years, the fortune teller was correct.

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black metal and everything in it is a giant fucking soap opera.

I really can't wait for this waste of flesh to get out so I can hear all about how some other corpsepainted cumstain found him and stabbed him in the face with the sharpened thigh bone of a crucified infant.

I just read that whole murder story and it's the same self defense bullshit he's been saying for years. It's nothing new, nor is it anything even remotely believable. I can't believe he's still jealous of Euronymous after all these years, but it's obvious that he is, it strongly shows in his story.

I also don't get any of this 'mellowed out' shit people are talking about. In both of the interviews he comes off as still being the immature, vindictive, racist liar he was 10 and 15 years ago. How has he mellowed out? Maybe I missed something.

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They should make a movie.

No, because that way good ol' Christian here would be able to cream some of the profits.

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Change the names.

yeah, you did miss something. read his interviews from like 1996, if you really care, or more likely youre just being provocative. hes got essentially the same views, but overall hes not as raving and murderous as he used to be

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I was contemplating the article that Vorg wrote and man that guy is fucking crazy. I like the concept he has with the whole fantasy and everything, but man...he could have been hitler's right hand man back in the day. So pure in this whole hatred of english and love for scandanavia. Crazy mother fucker is all i have to say.

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I've read his older interviews. I wouldn't have made a comparison otherwise. You've been awfully feisty lately, haven't you?

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the sheer length of that article is telling, and look at how long some of the answers to the interview questions, it speaks volumes about the dude.hes an obsess/control junky, reminds me of fidel castro<from an interview i saw conducted by oliver stone>ask him a difficult question, get brow beated and filibustered by a guy who thinks he the next jesus. the guy knows everything right? expert on all subjects right? pulls the martyr act like he truely sacrificed himelf for what he believes in. the whole revision thing caused me to skip over some answers.

and can someone please inform this asshole that the "wolfcoats" he mentions in every fuggin interview where killed off by thier fellow countrymen for being retards who couldnt settle down after the reunification of the penninsula way the fuck back when. so what, they ate mushrooms and didnt shower, enough already

Well that makes it OK then.

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yes, i have

i dont know how you could not pick up on him mellowing out...but im not gonna sort through all those boring interviews to find it specifically so..

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"He tried to kick me so I thrusted the knife in his skull"
Now I know what to do if someone tries to kick me!
He killed Euronymous because he was fucking his girlfriend
as far as I know.

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but according to Varg, Euronymous was a homosexual.

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Really?I didn't see this in the story.
BTW I read Christian's interview and I agree with some
of his thoughts about culture.

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Varg spread a lot of lie's about Euronymous around that time, I doubt any of them are true. He didn't kill Euronymous because of his girlfriend! I think he was deeper than that. At the end of the day, what's the point anymore? It's happened, it's over, he has written this to show what he says is 'the truth'. I'm not going to accept it because of my own views. Varg was/is a great musician, but as a man, he just isn't worth this hassle.

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our resident greek isnt afraid of a little white pride!

and its really ironic that his names christian, isnt it. i still get a chuckle at that.


by the way, nobody will know the truth about what happened at the murder, and why. make accusations both ways, euronymous is gay, varg is insane, girlfriend, dildos,whatever. just let it go...nobody will ever know

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People,shut the fuck up.I hate varg,his theology is fucking stupid,hes a racist which is pretty fucking obvious,but his music kicks ass,thats all that matters.He may be one of the dumbest fucking people that ever lived,but his music is great,who cares if its not as technical as cryptopsy he still is a good song writer.

I don't agree with him about white people being superior than black
or asian people.I agree about keeping our national culture and
that we shouldn't mix our cultures and nations
with others as much as we can(as Satyr put
it"we don't need another bastard nation,
another forcefed disgust").Here in Hellas we are about
11 million people and about 1.5 are immigrants(mostly illegal),
I walk around my neighbourhood and all I hear is Russian!The
worst thing is that more and more are coming.

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You're only saying that because Turkey has almost as much history in Greece as Greece does. Strangely, one of the only Greek men I know fucked one of the only Turkish girls I know. Now they no longer speak. Come to think of it, fuck Turkey.

I have trouble buying ideas about maintaining national purity from a guy whose national model is a people famous for invading other countries. Sounds doublespeakish, which isn't rare for Christian.

I didn't read these articles specifically, but from what I've seen Christian's (I keep wanting to call him 'Chris,' but Rezendes makes that impossible. Bastard) been a lot more mellow lately. He's still a paranoid, racist megalomaniac, but he's a new and improved paranoid, racist megalomaniac. He's raciopolitical extremism lite, or, at least, no longer neat. Ice and seltzer, maybe. I should just be clear that I even considered the paranoid ravings and idiot prison break that followed to be more mellow than the King Kong media attraction he constructed a few years back. He's more of a person and less of a cartoon.

This unfortunately doesn't make him one iota more pleasant or likable. He's a person, but a repugnant one. You can still see the lonely, Tolkien-obsessed teenager cowering in the shadows and fantasizing about being the guys from 'No Quarter' while masturbating behind his words and actions no matter what he does. He's grown up in some ways, but in others he's arrested in high school.

Could you please explain that thing about history
cause I didn't get it?
About Christian,I think you're right(especially
about the Tolkien stuff)

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It was just a joke about Greek nationalism and the long-standing fight against the Turks.

Oh OK!
It's funny how in their tourist ads they show Greek churches
and monuments and say that these are made by Turks(I couldn't
help it,I had to say it)!

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Do they really? That's fucked up.

i didnt know turks were common in greece. my dad was friends with a turkish guy, he was interesting. they make some hellishly strong coffee

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You mean Turks being in Greece?
If you mean that no there aren't many
except some villages in the East where Turks
(they are supposed to be muslim Greeks
but everyone knows they are Turks)
have been left after the revolution and all,but
they don't cause problems.
Most of the immigrants are Georgian and Albanians(especially
the Albanians are almost all illegal immigrants and cause
many problems)

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ah, i see. thanks for clearing that up. whats with the list of countries in your signature?

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They're not common, but they were the dominant political power in Greece for centuries, causing a series of rebellions and things like the recently dissolved partition of Cyprus (goats and monkeys!) and generally managing to stick in the craw of most Greeks. Not this one, though. As immigrants, Turks seem to be common in Austria and Germany, and if you go to a college with a somewhat famous name you're bound to run into a closely-knit group of upper-class Turks who understand friendship in a much different way than most of us do.

And this, class, has been a capsule history of Turkish immigration and imperialism. Tomorrow we'll discuss the role of Czech women as representations of unbridled sexuality in German literature, unless I'm too hung over and don't drop by.

i knew muhammed was a muslim turk who lived in germany. i knew a guy in school who was also a muslim german, dark skinned. interesting. do tell about the czech ladies

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i heard that bord guy<the old drummer of emporer> got out of jail, whatever happened to him?

yeah bård is out of jail i think. He and Samoth are playing in some kind of hardcore/punk project called scum or something. www.scumband.com or something. Bård also has his own website now www.bard-faust.com

Take a guess.


You mean when the Turks possessed Greece?


Things in Cyprus were OK before the Turks invaded(I mean
there were Turkcypriots and Greekcypriots that lived
harmonicaly with each other).After they invaded
many Turks(which were right wing extremists)
colonised(probably not hte right word) Cyprus.
So I don't think that Cyprus can be reunited now,
it's better to leaver things as they are.

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are they countries you respect for their nationalism?

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You are joking, right?
Tell me what "links" these countries?

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the feeling i get from the nationalism over in eastern europe is that it gets all distorted and spills into obvious racism, also you get people who claim heritage thats kinda untrue or stilted at best, it all seems to descend into pointlessness. macedonia is a good example of cultural distortion for the sake of tourism. the slavic states are obviously the worst, small ethnic groups wiping each other out over land the size of rhode island. the winner owns a 4th world ghetto pockmarked with bullet holes, mortar blast and mass graves, whoopdy-doo!

whats funny is that the turks as they conquered eastern europe, for that time, were much more organized,lenient and far less oppressive than the slavic leaders they replaced. so you get all these little ethnic groups citing lord so-and-so from like the 13th-14th century as a cultural hero, the guy was usually a despot retard who was living fat off of serfdom who probably deserved to die anyway. the turks only got cruel around the 18th or so century, basically when they were losing grip on thier territories and thier leaders lived far beyond thier means delagating all responsibility to strongmen and foriegn accountants <who basicly ran thier economy in the ground>.they were once quite liberal and industrious,greek were allowed to serve in thier military and held high posts in the government so long as they converted to islam, most greeks dont acknowledge this and pull the "400 years of oppression" line which isnt accurate. and anyway, the greeks themselves have held the middleeast for a fucking eon and for the most part administered it even after it was annexed by Rome. funny that they themselves become a little piece of someone elses empire

i know its totally off the fucking topic but i had to put my 2 cent in on that one

I did mean when the Turks possessed Greece.

A girl I know who's from Cyprus says it's still de facto divided and that not too much has changed.

The list of countries in his sig are countries the U.S. has invaded, bombed, or otherwise negatively interfered with. Many of them aren't particularly well-known for nationalism.

That history of Turkish hegemony doesn't gel in some parts with what I know about it, but in others I'm completely ignorant. Still, it reeks over over-revision, making something way too bright only because it used to be way too dark.

In Austrian and German novels of the 19th and early 20th century, a whore was invariably a Czech woman and a Czech woman was invariably a whore. My favorite example of this is Ruzhena, the love interest in 'Pasenow, or The Romantic,' the first of the novels in Hermann Broch's Sleepwalkers trilogy. She's not only a whore but pure sensuality and unbridled emotion, and though these qualities are demonstrated using several techniques, the mere fact that she's a Czech woman would signify to to Austrian readers the type of woman she is. I'm not entirely sure why this is, but Czech women are unusually hot and that may have been enough to do it. For some reason, Bulgarian women have a similar reputation among Russians, Ukrainians, etc of my acquaintance.

non white.

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Bosnia, Croatia, Yugoslavia. Come on, you can do better than that.

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I'm just surprised at how obviously he ignored my post right above his.

i see the thing on czech women, yes, englightening.

but, i scanned that list chris. what the hell is the link?

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I would tell you, but I think you're smart enough to figure it out on your own. Don't prove me wrong.

By the way, PST already gave the answer, but to tell you the truth, I didn't notice until after I already posted my response.

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ha-ha-ha...the "macedonia" state you say about is a mixed
country of mostly slavs, albanians and bulgarians who are NOT related to the ancient macedonians at all as these people claim.

Second you talk about the greek "occupation" of the middle east. The greeks had the administration yet together with the "occupied" nations and don't forget that in that period progress was made in literature, arts, science and architecture as opposed when the turks occupied the same area. People in these countries nowadays have the best opinion about Greeks, except turks of course. The ottoman empire was in relation to Europe the least advanced faction of Europe.
Greeks were allowed to serve in the army as any other nation in every empire in the world, that's no big deal or privilege. Do you know of the janissars?They were children (greeks.armenians etc) who were taken by force by the turks and converted to islam, taught to hate and fight their own people and were the elite of the turkish army.

As for the 400 years of oppression, true it isn't accurate. Where I live, Thessaloniki(Macedonia) the city was liberated on 26 October 1912, more than 500 years of oppression. Don't forget the massacre of over than 1mil Greeks ONLY in 1922 where the greek element of more than 2000 years of existence in Asia Minor was wiped out.

Don't forget also the massacre of over than 5mil Armenians by the turks, recognized by the american congress recently. Also, in 1955 the turks wiped out the last greek community in Constantinople(modern Istanbul, Turkey) but they tell nothing of it.

As far as the human rights violations in Turkey are concerned today, see of the Kurdish minority of about 15mil people in south-east Turkey and the oppression of women which is similar to other fundamentalistic islamic countries.
Co-written by Warrax


Sylvia Saint!

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well ill be damned. i guess i dont read very carefully. what a suprise. that actually would have been another guess of mine, but i didnt know the full list

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i already said that the turks got evil around the 18th century. my main point was for the most time of the ottoman occupation of eastern europe the turks were fair........not benevolent, far from fucking perfect........but they were fair dealing and practical with thier subjects who were treated alot worst by thier local rulers. and yeah, they got genocidal around the 20th century. all empires of that region, greeks included had to quell rebellions, kill lots of people, enslave lots of people to maintain order, to stifle rebellions that can be contagious. nothing justifies it but it happens.

greeks partook in the ottoman empire, had a stake in its well-being, same with all thier european subjects, fought in thier wars, maintained thier own cultures and participated in a multicultural empire that rewarded them if they were compliant to its designs, they were integral to thier success, held high posts, and were delagated responsibility in trade,government and the military. it wasnt entirely 500 years of massacre and oppression like alot greeks and armenians make it out to be, thats just how i see things. but it got bad and i wont deny the massacres and atrocities that occured. my grandfather came to the US from greece as an orphan at the age of 14 around 1900, died before i was born

so the reason why i posted about this was because transient said "are they countries you respect for thier nationalism?" which i mistook for a typo meaning "are there countries you respect for thier nationalism?" so i didnt mean that post as an attack hellblaster but it kinda came out that way, i was just commenting on european nationalism combined by what you said about your feelings of greek nationalism. i feel that muslims are still hated and victimized to this day because of what the ottomans did way back when, it still seems to reverberate to the present in greece and eastern europe. all these ethnicities cant get along coz they cant see past thier own signifigance, and that i view that the turks werent all evil as they were made out to be

maybe thats why muslims are disliked in european countries, but here most muslims or not even, most people of middle eastern decent are disliked because of terrorist attacks on the us

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I didn't take it as an attack anyway.We are just discussing.

The gathering of children to be made Janissars started
in 1430.
Also many thousands of people were killed in the 16th century
because the revolted(because the Turks took 1/5 of their
children every 2-4 years to make them Janissars).



Was he Greek or something?

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Muslims are hated and victimized to this day in America because most Americans are too fucking stupid to realize that Muslims aren't all terrorists or that most terrorists are white. Americans are also, by and large, too stupid to even know what a Muslim is, because they also go after Indians or anybody else who is brown.

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what irked me most was reading a book on the Rom people in romania, albania,bulgaria. the book goes into the dynamic of ethnicity in that region. how insane and divided it is. the ottoman empire brought gypsies,muslims,jews,steppe people into that region. they also converted alot of europeans to islam who remain. basically they increased an already diverse amount of religion/ethnicity in the region. when they left, communism soon held everything down and put all of the shit on ice, all the unresovled tensions, all the hate.

so now when these countries are becoming semi-democratic, semi-oligarchal almost-free. nationalism has stirred to a fevered pitch. muslims in america cant be compared to muslims in the eastern block. muslims have already lived in europe for hundreds of years, and like the gypsies who also lived there for hundreds of years are treated like outsiders, worthy of being expelled,killed off. Rom<gypsies> are also hated by the muslims as much as the christians. the Rom muslims and christians do not even get along. this is just a sample of what goes down in some of these countries. its insane to put it lightly, alot of the fuel of each factions hatred is citing history long before thier time like "my ancestors were treated like shit by your ancestors therefore you are an asshole". its not some shit that happened in thier lifetime, heritage and ancestry is a novelty in america compared to the eastern block, to be macedonian for example<which alot of people claim in romania,bulgaria,the fake macedonia> is to be somehow special in ways i dont understand but is serious for some reason there, to the point where people lie about it. retardation-nation.

ive never been to eastern europe or greece, so all my knowledge is from reading, so its all second hand i admit, and i know i cant form judgements strongly solely based on what i read<with of course an american or british bias, being the authors of such books> and i know all america did there was build a base to eyeball russia, that was thier main objective to that war. i worked at a greek restaurant when america interviened in bosnia and heard all the lament on it by my co-workers.

my grandfather is a greek, i dont know much about him because he was a criminal, a drunk and a liar who i never met, anything he said was not to be trusted and he was aloof anyway. basically he had a fucked up life and became a miserable bastard because of it, he spoke many languages and my family didnt understand exactly how he grew up, i dont know much about him, thats about it

I agree with you for the most part,BUT they(and by they I mean Fundamentalist Muslims,Terrorists,Insurgents,Freedom Fighters whatever the fuck you want to call them)attacked the U.S. first.Thats why muslims are looked down on in this country.It happened in WW2 I beleive where the japanese were sent to camps after pearl harbor,it might have been wrong but if I would have been alive then I don't think I would have had a problem with it,for the sake of my own security.(selfish,yes but thats the way I am)

The West has been attacking Islam before America was even discovered. Ever heard of the Crusades?

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In fairness, Saladin did attack the people in Jerusalem in order to claim the city for the muslims. It goes way further back than even this though, pretty much not long after the birth of Islam.

EDIT: Hold on a second, aren't we in the Bands forum? It's happened yet again.

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Do you know who else attacked us first? Great Britain. We don't seem to mind those people much. Oh, yeah, that's right...

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True,but I think your misunderstanding me.I have no problem with a person cause there brown,black,green,blue,orange whatever.I do have a problem when a religon brainwashes people to beleive that if they drive a 747 thru a building that they will spend eternal life in heaven.Now the part I did agree with you on was when you said most terrorists are white,in my hometown there is a man by the name of Eric Robert Rudolph who is on trial,he is caucasian,a conservative terrorist who bombed an abortion clinic,the Atlanta olympics and is tied to many other bombings.He would get the same treatment from me that Osama Bin Laden would.anyway we are off topic sorry about that......

Edit:sorry about the double post,shitty computer.

i say we're still on topic. anybody taht discusses burzum discusses race. mods, dont lock this up, its an interesting read

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There are some nations that brainwash their
people to believe that they are defending their country
from a country that's half way around the world
away from their own.

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I don't think it will be locked up as long as the replies are well tought up and intelligent. As soon as this gets a flamewar, no amount of being on topic will save it.

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Its not nations my friend,its their leaders.Now its obvious you're referring to the Iraq war,I've always been for it and always will.While Sadam(sp?)may not have had WMDs he still was a threat to the international community.Bush can be a moron but I will defend him over this war.

I think it's the same with muslims(more or less).


Why not the Vietnam war also?


I don't think so.He was no more a threat than Bush or
Besides USA didn't put Saddam in charge of Iraq?


BTW(since this is the Burzum thread)What do you think about
Varg's opinions on modern women?

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No its not the same with muslims,most of their leaders oposse any kind of terrorist actions,Pakistan for example has captured more al-queada(sp?)fugitives than the U.S. has.

Your right about Vietnam from what I've researched about that war it was the one of the biggest mistakes this country has ever made.Sorry but were going to just agree to disagree on whether Saddam was a threat.

Honestly I don't know what Varg's opinion about modern women is,I try not to get caught up in his rants about any thing other than music.

actually varg is very interested in eastern europe, he gets most of his fan mail there, lots of national socialist black metal there. thats my link from the off topic history debate of the turks to modern nationalism in places like romania,greece, bulgaria. where jerusalem was the battleground of the crusades. places like transylvania,the carpathian mountains,constantinople to vienna were the battlegrounds for jihadists, dracula and shit. stuff thats referenced by early black metal bands, stuff that influence people in that region to play black metal. that sense of uber-nationalism and black metal merged into the stuff burzum was leaning towards...racist ideology mixed with black metal,paganism, not your predicable low-brow nazi skinhead stuff, something new<like 10 years ago new>.

also its something of a reccuring theme, al queda is there, terrorism is there, the old themes are resurging of religious hate. europeans have a completely different rationale towards nationalism as americans do, they actually live in the land of thier forefathers< a heritage that goes back thousands of years,not hundreds like here in the US> they actually do have a say towards who can live there or not whether its gypsies,muslims or anyone they overwhelmingly predate. so this is the what im getting at here. do white europeans in thier own country have the right to expell muslims or gypsies from land they<the muslims or gypsies> lived in for hundreds of years on the rationale that the whites predate them and therfore have the final say? is that "nationalism" or is it racism? do they have a right to hate them because those muslims at one time<long ago> persecuted them? do they have the right to refuse any more immigrants because those immigrants dont belong and dont respect the culture they are moving into? are they justified as preserving thier idenity, thier nationalism by excluding outsiders? japan does this flagarantly, has done this for centuries up until the present. those are awkward questions from a viewpoint of an american. i myself like the fact that i live in a multi-ethnic, multi-racial society. but alot of people dont want this in thier country

views on modern women? hard to have an opinion on. its pretty ideaologic, but its a reality in some cultures. women rights are huuuuge in america, so it wouldnt fly over here. everyones hell bent on equal oppurtunity so, something like what he believes wouldnt be very popular at all. on a persoanl level, i honestly dont have any experience in living with a woman or having a job or anything like that. what about you, hellas -boy ?

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I don't have any experience in living with
women too,but I think his views are logical.
Yes men and women are equal but not the same.

Besides something has to be done
to stop the deadliest plague of the
modern world : Women driving cars!


Why white europeans only?Why not Asians or Arabs?If some people
live in a place for hundreds of years I don't think anyone has the right
to drive them out.There is no country that consists only of people
from one nationality,there are always some people from
other nationalities in a country.The thing is that
people from other nationalities shouldn't be too many(and not
mixing with the local) cause that would bastardize both nations.

About the immigrants,I think countries should refuse immigrants
that dont respect the culture they are moving into.And the
immigrands shouldn't be above a definited percent of
the population.

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its kind of hard to give a "do you appecriate our culture" test upon immigration :P

as for the women, i really dont have any experience on that. his ideas sound nice enough i guess.

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