A picture's worth a thousand words...

http://www.tigerbill.com/media/Rabb2.wmv

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always wondered what a g roll was. thank you

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i wondered myself.. very cool.

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Yeah, it's pretty impressive shit! I've been working on it all evening. I'm getting the feel for it now. It'd be a while before I could get enough power to use it live or anything, but.....
....someday....

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Fuck yeah that was great.I bet it would take a shit load of practice.

isnt that what jazz drummers do sometimes?

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Yeah, I heard that technique was created over 40 years ago by a jazz drummer. Keep in mind, jazz bands are a lot quieter than Grinding Death bands.
I now understand why some dudes trigger their snares.

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I always though it was called Gravity Blast...

its called many things, some call it a pivot roll,rim roll etc, does anyone know who first applied the gravity roll to grind based music?

It`s called Gravity Blast, if the Drummer adds a Doublebass and a 8th hihat or something.
But the ex-Kataklysm guy played everything the same speed, never found out how he`s able to keep that speed for so long with his "cymbal-hand".
As I bought the Despised Icon, I found out, that he is very very tight with this.

if you mean pivot rolling simulaniously from the ride cymbal and snare, lord worm, you use the bell part as the rim for the pivot motion, so the base<that part closest to your hand> of the stick hits on the bell, and the end of the stick taps the middle of the cymbal, i just figured this out a few days ago

edit: i hope thats what you meant, doing it is rather easy by itself, but keepping the count and transitioning it from normal sticking and back is a bitch to do for me, if you know this already, i dont mean to be redundant

edit again:i couldnt get the video to post on my low-tech computer,so i dont know, maybe the guy on it was doing simultanious pivot rolls or something like that

Well, the whole video is just him using the snare, except for a little bit of toms... He doesn't use any cymbals for the video, because he's exclusively demonstrating the "Free-hand Roll"
He does alternate hands, and he also does some double hand/synchronized blasting... (If that's what you want to call it)
He's hitting very very lightly.

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No, because he is doing every Gravity with the chinacymbal...
But thanks anyways, I just try out this technique, sounds interesting.

I remember seeing this video on the Derel Roddy board awhile back. Amazing stuff. I am still working on the technique myself I cant seem to get very good volume yet though...

i just do a drum roll and hit the under sides of my hihat with the left hand, louder on the snare but quieter hihat hits,i dont use the gravity blast or whatever for my bands songs. i noticed the volume on the pivot motion increases with lift not tension, so i think you lift the stick a bit higher when doing the pivot but not necessarily push down on the drumstick harder.

Yeah, i just got the technique down and im finding that out, especially if you trigger your bass drums (the snare is nearly in-audible, still can be heard, but cymbals/kicks drown it out for the most part). Im thinking about triggering my snare, but i'll try and see if i can work on my power and use that as a last resort (i hate the sound of a triggered snare, no dynamics at all, if i do ill just sample my snare and use that, dmpros own).

Yeah, I find that you can't hear it either. I bought some triggers so I could trigger the snare, but I'm just rtying to figure it out to make it sound right.... (Settings)
I use an Alesis DM5- what do you run?

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Here is a link to a rar file...it includes 3 gravity blast videos (one of them is the one which has already been posted). For anyone who is interested...

http://s51.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=...SE0CM1RXD3RWEBU

i taught my boss how to do a pivot roll in a matter of seconds, upon first demonstration he was able to roll 16s about as fast as i was doing them. this is a man who never studied drums beyond the fact he messes around on his sons drumkit from time to time. i think alot more drummers in metal know how to do this but alot dont utilize it due to the volume issue

Btw, is anyone of you playing in a band and using the gravity blast? Our drummer can do it, but it really isnt loud enough. Is there a way to play it louder?

the way i feel about the pivot roll stick motion is like jojo mayer about the push/pull. "like if im feeling lonely in a drumshop and i want attention ill do this, but yeah, i dont use it much"

instead of a gravity blast per say id like to use it as a 2 hand pivot roll drumfill for a super slow drumbeat. the band i play in is real slow with tempo so no blast beats at all with this band

Hmmm...I´m sure there are bands using the gravity blast technique. I think Jong Longstreth and James King used it in some Origin songs and also during live concerts ofc.
So is this technique only to use for live shows if the snare is triggered?

A friend of mine in a local Technical Death group uses it.

Does he trigger his snare?

Holy Shit!

That technique is bad to the bone!! Damn, thank god for videos!

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Not really sure what that means... but if it's something frowned upon I'm pretty sure he doesn't.

The technique itself is pretty easy I think...at least our drummer learned it very well in 3 days.

But the problem is, that it isnt loud enough.

@Otiz:

Does he amplify his snare? I mean, to make it louder. Any microphones at the snare?
I can´t imagine that someone can play the gravity blast loud enough.

Been to a few of their practices and no, he doesn't use any microphones at all. His playing is pretty amazing, playing drums is basically the only thing he does besides being with his girlfriend, drinking and working. He even takes lessons.

Yeah mine are coming along, still need work though, getting them Audible is quite hard, I now kinda keep constant presure on the stick to make sure the Up hit isn't pussy!

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So its possible to do the gravity blast loud enough for a a band?


btw, does anyone know whats needed to trigger a snare? (Im not a drummer :X )

i noticed that the amount of lift from the rim, instead of pressure down increases the volume. you kinda let the ergonomic factor create your volume. but for me its still not that loud

like if your band carried its own PA system and you have a good mic setup i can see it being used commonly, i have no problem with micing the kit

once at a show that carried the old grateful dead PA<this place is called "the call" in providence, this PA system was awesome but the soundman was a dipshit who either miced up drums to dominate the sound or not well enough to be heard>my kit was miced so well, i was doing a right hand pivot roll/left hand hitting underside hihat and snare<just move the hihat in overshadowing the snare a bit. this was my single kick days but it sounded like 10 machine guns going off, i would never use that tho becease id need a behemoth PA system to back it up

@low-tech:

can you tell me what´s needed for triggering a snare?

ask nz, i know nothing about how to set it up

And here I AM!!!

Okay to Trigger a snare or any drum for that matter you need the following:

(Ps I don't trigger at the moment, cause I am too poor!)

Drum Module, this is also known as a Drum Brain, and stores all the sounds that you can assign to any trigger.

The trigger: this is a little device that clips onto the side of your drum and basically senses when the drum has been hit and sends a signal to your Drum Module telling the module to play whatever sound has been assigned to that trigger.

You also need a power supply and cables (gat cables are fine I believe).

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Thanks!

Can you tell me how much it will cost?

okay for the cheapest, just one trigger and the cheapest drum brain:

http://www.instrumentpro.com/P-ROLTD3?source=froogle

thats 345 US for just your drum brain

triggers are between 15-60 US per trigger and you need different triggers for toms, snare and bass.

then you need to get leads, okay they are cheap as fuck, but still another 10 for a lead

then you gotta mount your brain, which is about 40 I think for a mount (I don't know off hand and can't be fucked to find out)

so Triggering is expensive

but that said sound consistancy is REALLY good, and once you have the triggers and leads etc. you can use different modules etc. upgrade so it is a fairly good investment, but a costly one, hence why I DON'T trigger

but I want to....

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Ok, thank you very much.

Hey, can you post those video's again Helvete? I'm going to try this shit out tomorrow.

I use a different approach. Instead of triggering my snare, I use a mic and run it through a compressor/limiter. I bought an Alesis 3630 from Decrepit Birth for $25. What I've done is used to compressor to limit the volume of my hard strikes and bring the levels up on my softer strikes. This way the gravity blast is just as loud as a single handed blast beat. The only thing I don't like about the setup is that my mic is a clip on, and the fucking thing keeps humming with the vibration. I need to get a stand alone mic stand for it.
This technique is the same techinque that Flo uses. He doesn't use triggers on his snare. The only difference is that he uses an AKG mic, which are awsome, but they're about $140 canadian/austrailian.

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Thats an exelent video!
If there is some norwegian boys in here that dont understand what he says i have a video explained in norwegian....

http://www.amplified-authority.com/..._forklaring.WMV

yeah, have to upload them first!
will give the link asap!

Thanks buddy!

I actually dont started to try it because i think its not so uselful in playing drums in a band or something like that...

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then you will fail

Never ignore a technique just cause you think you won't use it.

I did that once, and fucking regret it to high hell now

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ok, thank you!!! now ill try it ithink so...^^

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I hate to bother you guys, but could somebody repost those 3 vids? I watched this 1st one, but I kinda want to see the other ones in case there's more info in them.

its really easy i find and i do it on my snare hand