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Old 2005-04-08, 21:59
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zakk wylde les paul

hey

this is just for the bls ozzy osbourne fans
okay i guess thats all you guys.

is there any reason why zakk put's his strings over the top of the tail piece on his les pauls rather than through i dont mean the tune 0 matic i mean
the one below that the tail piece./
the only thing i think it would do is make the strings completely straight up to the neck.

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Old 2005-04-08, 22:00
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maybe more sustain?
other than that, probably just to be cool
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Old 2005-04-08, 22:14
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actually your probably right about the sustain i might try it out now on my les paul you never know

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Old 2005-04-08, 22:39
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I think it's supposed to improve tuning stability. Eh, I dunno
 
Old 2005-04-08, 22:47
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because zakk is the king of pinch harmonics do you guys think it might have something to do with that.
 
Old 2005-04-08, 23:20
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it works but i'm still not sure if thats why.
 
Old 2005-04-08, 23:26
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I'd think that it'd give more sustain, due to the straightening of the string, and because of this, there is less contact between the strings and the bridge, so they'll keep vibrating longer methinks.
 
Old 2005-04-08, 23:28
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More sustain, less string tension.. less string breakage.
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Old 2005-04-08, 23:31
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yeah your right because i was just playing desire and when i did the intro lead riff the note lasted alot longer than any other time i play it.
 
Old 2005-04-08, 23:37
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i always thought that was to make the string not be right on the neck. thats how i have strung up my hammer since befor i knew who zakk was
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Old 2005-04-08, 23:45
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i always thought that was to make the string not be right on the neck. thats how i have strung up my hammer since befor i knew who zakk was


No.

He also does it so he can pull off a neat harmonic effect were he rakes the strings behind the bridge. Listen to "Superterrorizer" and 40 seconds in you'll hear it.
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Old 2005-04-08, 23:46
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like i said above any knowledge welcome
and you could be right it could be all of these things but
the sustain has done alot for me since about an hour ago
 
Old 2005-04-08, 23:48
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He also does it so he can pull off a neat harmonic effect were he rakes the strings behind the bridge. Listen to "Superterrorizer" and 40 seconds in you'll hear it.


oh yeah your right

because he does it on desire aswell
 
Old 2005-04-08, 23:53
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More sustain, less string tension.. less string breakage.
+ it looks cooler!
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Old 2005-04-08, 23:55
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it does actually
 
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Old 2005-04-09, 00:42
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More sustain, less string tension.. less string breakage.


If it really accomplishes that, I'm going to have to do that to my guitar.
 
Old 2005-04-09, 00:51
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believe me it definataley does the sustain
a whole lot of good.
also if you look at the picture attached has he only done this method with
the EAD and the E string.
 
Old 2005-04-09, 01:16
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No, the Tony the Tiger one is better.
 
Old 2005-04-09, 01:21
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believe me it definataley does the sustain
a whole lot of good.
also if you look at the picture attached has he only done this method with
the EAD and the E string.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v.../zakkbridge.jpg

he does it with all.
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Wouldn't that have a chance of slipping off?
 
Old 2005-04-09, 01:24
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Old 2005-04-09, 01:29
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Old 2005-04-09, 02:12
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No.

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well thats why i do it if i didnt it wouldnt even clear the pickups. im sure thats one of the reasons for him doing it
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Old 2005-04-09, 04:32
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well thats why i do it if i didnt it wouldnt even clear the pickups. im sure thats one of the reasons for him doing it


No, cause Zakk would just raise the bridge.
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Old 2005-04-09, 06:50
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yea i just strung up my LP like that a while ago and its pretty sweet, i asked my guitar teacher about it, he was saying zakk wasnt the first one to do it, it was some older guitarist before him, and ive noticed a differant feeling when bending the strings now that i have it strung that way. I emailed my teacher about the faq's on stringing it that way cause he told me a bunch of reasons why this one guy did it, so once he reply's ill post up some of the facts/opinions.
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Old 2005-04-09, 14:10
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No, cause Zakk would just raise the bridge.

he might not if i did the bridge would e like an inch+ off the body which would be uncomfertable as fuck for me to play because of how i place my fingers
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Old 2005-04-09, 17:32
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hey

i have just watched zakk wylde on guitar.com
and just like bls and cannibal corpse said zakk said it's
less stress on the strings and when he was on tour with
black label society he only snapped one set of strings on that whole tour.





 
Old 2005-04-09, 17:39
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im still not exactly sure what you guys mean...


show me a clear pic of it or something

can this work on any tune o matic bridge?
 
Old 2005-04-09, 17:44
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Old 2005-04-09, 17:46
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hey

i dont know wether you have already seen the picture attached by
BLS but you cannot get any clear than that picture.

basically you stick the string under and over.
 
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can this work on any tune o matic bridge?
well, if its string thru body, then you cant do anything special with it. It needs a tail piece.

I will be doing this to my project guitar; I have a tunomatic with a tail piece which will be the bridge.
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This is what my guitar teacher said:

Duane Allman was the player I mentioned, but I think
Jim Hall's LP was set up the same, and he used that
from ~58-61.

Tone-wise, stringing over the top of the tailpiece
reduces the tension on the bridge. This decreased
tension can make the guitar sound somewhat warmer, and
may change the quality of the sustain (usually making
it warmer as well). Some players think that the
increased contact with the tailpiece also increases
the sustain, but I find that this is primarilly due to
the tailpiece being adjusted tight into the guitar's
top.

As for feel, because the strings path is much
straighter it is easier for the string to pass over
the saddle, making bending feel smoother. This may
also help aleviate tuning problems caused by strings
binding at the bridge.

Still, I only string one of my tune-o-matics over the
top. On the other guitars I prefer the slightly better
clarity of the standard method, and I want to avoid
wear marks caused by the strings.
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Old 2005-04-10, 01:42
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thats some great info man

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Old 2005-04-10, 10:10
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np, my guitar teacher is a pimp, hes all into the music i like, but he mainly plays jazz
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