hi...... i have big problem....

i have Jackson PS-4 (performer) - (japan, 24 frets, floyd rose, h-s-h).. i was thinking about changing it for Ibanez RG-470 (japan, h-s-h, lo trs (floyd), wizard II neck)... i `m thinking and thinking... i`m playing death (like suffocation, cryptopsy stuff like this)....... the point is........ changing to new guitar...... or try to repair old?..... Jackson is hm.... kind of "used a lot"....

what i can choose:

-try to change electronic stuff for emg...., try to work with neck,

-buy one-year ibanez rg-470

it`s very difficult for me...... what is better option ?

Ibanez 's cool for bass but not really for guitar

I don't know the health of your Jackson but mine is in bad &
I'm trying to make her feel better

If you've played for a long time with you just can't throw her away
She doesn't deserve that

Pay some attention and respect to your instrument

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You must be kidding me ibanez basses are not all the great.

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I think Ibanez guitars are nice for beginners, but if you play a few years, I should go for a jackson guitar instead of an Ibanez.

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Dude...the older your guitar the better, see, the older your shit is, not only are you more accustomed to playing it, but the neck actually conforms over years and years of sliding up and down on it to your hand. Older guitars just sound better, get you some new hardware, definitely some new pickups or something, EMGs'
(I got the 81 and 85 in the neck) Ibanez guitars feel like toys when I play them, they don't feel durable, I feel like I'll break it just from my normal playing, a lot of you musicians that get custom guitars from Jackson have been playing the same one since they started. Jacksons last like a mother fucker dude.

I normally would suggest an Ibanez over Jackson (personal preference), but I'm going with the Jackson crowd on this one.

The Ibanez has a lo-trs. This unit is pretty much a piece o'crap. If you're gonna go Ibanez, get an RG5xx or higher. They have the edge bridge which is of much higher quality. the lo-trs goes out of tune very easily. There are exceptions to this, but they are few and far between, and often require professional-grade modifications. I would not recommend this unit.

IMO, Jackson and Ibanez are on about the same level. When I see a Jackson with a real Floyd (the Ibz edge is about equivalent) and stock pickups comparable to the Ibanez V7/V8's (be they Seymours or DD's), for $300-$400 used, I'll buy it. I haven't seen one yet, and I'm quite happy with my RG520.

Blindly following either brand really isn't any kind of solution, and you should check both options, and play both axes before deciding on anything. But odds are, you're gonna lose $$ if you go for the RG470, and will have to mod that anyway... so as an Ibanez player, I'm gonna tell you Jackson (or save your money and go for an RG570...)

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Go with a Jackson. I own an ibanez and I'm alittle disappointed, the tone and over all sound of mines is weak, but then again,it has single coil pickups(stays in tune nicely though). So just screw it and keep your jackson - they seem to be more popular w/ the metalists...

what model, killing?

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Its a SA160
One of the 'cheaper' models.

yeah... that's probably not too good for the metal stuff. How's the SAT30 (bridge)?

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on my rg270 there are those thingys on the top of the neck to keep in tune easyer i guess, anyways now i question getting it , damn u guys lol, although i really liked the price ($200 (included gig bag and stand))(although i am a beginner
) lol look at all my parinthesis

ibanez's are great for beginners though. Jackson rules but i wouldn't recommend them for beginners.

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he's rite about them sounding better as they age
wat happends is the wood they made it with gets old and the sound "choures" better like a better flow and gives it a "cleaner" sound so id stick with jackson and deftinaly put some egms in

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Uhm, well if you're planning on buying an Ibanez, get prestige, the rest isn't that special, I own a sr5 prestige (Bass) myself, and ibanez is pretty sweet in the bass department, I had the choice between warwicks, musicmans etc. but I went for the ibanez.

I would prefer a Jackson though, for guitar, the only ibanez you can compare them to, that's the ibanez prestige range and the signature models (like the JEM's and shit)

the jackson DINKY's have EMG's in them, the ibanez top range shit has di marzio tone zone's and the likes.

you don't have to go prestige, but if wouldn't be a bad idea. An RG5xx, RG6xx, or RG7xx will suffice. The prestige series is pretty nice though.

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I know you don't HAVE to go prestige, but when I compare the normal ibanez's to a Jackson, I would go for Jackson, I'm an ibanez freak myself, but the Jacksons are just better...

If I had the money to choose between an american dk27mg and a ibanez JEM, I would go for the Jem, I guess..

Ibanez Edge vs. hardtail (or Jackson licensed Floyd) and Dimarzio aftermarket pu's vs. Hot Zones? No question for me, at least...

Soloist vs. Rg5xx? Soloist by a close call.

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True, but I'de go with a jackson with EMG's instead of an normal RG, if it where a ibanez prestige then I'de go for the ibanez.

on another hand, I love the Jackson design...

Give ur jackson a new neck and some Seymour Duncan Screamin Demons in em'
Or just buy a new Jackson DXMG for 350 bux right now!!!!

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i Have an Ibanez, and i see many people have said "fuck ibanez" in this forum, i'd like to know why frankly. They are very good well made guitars. i have the GIO GRX 720 7-String and i love it. if you ask me Jackson doesnt even comare get an Ibanez dude.

Nice flamethrower by the way, ..Feuer Frei!!!

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all together i think Jacksons are a better deal.....but if you get a custom Ibanez then i think thats as good as a Jackson. I played about 10 different Ibanez's yesterday and i own a jackson RR-IT with an emg 81 for the bridge and an 85 for the neck...some of the custom ibanez's at this shop i was at sounded REAL sweet for the kind of metal i play (Testament, Iced Earth. Death, Children Of Bodom, Iron Maiden, etc...) I'm kind of stuck in a situation too...i have close to $2,000 for another guitar and i dont know whether to get a Jackson Soloist 1 or a custom Ibanez...

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Soloist man!!!!!

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where the hell are you getting a custom Ibanez? the LACS has been closed for some time now....

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i have played both..... and i personnally like jacksons better a little bit thicker neck than the ibanez but still thin.. great for my style i guess

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Jacksons are alright if spend over 5 or 6 hundred.... but anything is better then a Ibeenhad guitar

I can get a custom Ibanez at an Ibanez dealer... Guitar Center for example

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What don't you like about Ibanez?

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top of the line Ibanez or Jackson dinky


think thats what it boils down too, if you get a jackson, get one with emg's and floyd, or if you want w/out floyd, if you're getting a ibanez, go for the higher series, they rock, don't settle for an ibanez with crappy pickups.


what kinda custom ibanez are you talking about?

depends on your budget, you could get a nice ibanez RG series for 3, 400 bucks, jacksons would end up being 5, 600. Even though they would come with EMGs which i have yet to see an ibanez come with.

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only customs come with emg's, saw an RG7 with EMG 707's once.

but they do have di marzio tone zone's etc... also nice pickups...

just from mr personal experiance, i went on ebay and picked up a jackson 7 string, it is beautiful. the sound is amazing the action is just too sweet and i'm sorry but i am VERY against ibanez. yeah they LOOK good, but thats the big problem ITS ALL FOR LOOKS. believe me save our money get the better guitar

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well that's your side of the story, Ibanez are by no means crappy guitars, and not all ibanez's sound crappy, true, the cheaper series suck.

but, have you played a Jem uv777 or those kinda models? well, I suggest you try, they're fucking amazing, though they cost a lot of money, for money value, I think a jackson would be better, but expensive Ibanez's kick ass too.

the only thing to do is just play the bitches and find out which you like best.

also keep in mind that the factory pickups on the jackson aren't the best thing known to man. but trust me on this. the feel of playing them is COMPLETLY different. and for more info check out harmony-central.com they have pretty good user reviews on both of them.
i am a little spoiled though with the jackson. i got lucky enough to get one on ebay for 230, turned out to be one of the more limited edition from japan. very sweet guitar. all and all i think i would have to agree though. you wont know till you play them. its all about the feeling.

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custom meaning you're changing what? The only people who get Ibanez's built to their personal specs are endorsees like Satch, Vai, the dudes from Korn... so it's either that or you're paying Hoshino an assload assload of cash...

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Sure, many of the Ibanez's are rather cheap and nasty. but they come out with the odd guitar which is really nice to play, and who could possibly make better 7-Strings than Ibanez? show me a nice Jackson 7-String and then i'll believe you that Jacksons are better!

Feuer Frei!!!

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THE JACKSON DXMG is the geatest esp. for its price

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If i were you, i go w/ the Ibanez. I have an Ibanez S-Series, I've been playing for about 3 years now, and out of all the guitars Ive played, I feel Ibanez has the grander quality. It's time to retire the good old Jackson.

Ever played on a cheap Jackson? They are huge peices of crap...just like ANY cheap end budget guitar. You get what you pay most all the time...especially with guitars. Most big manufacturers make budget priced guitars targeting beginning and less seasoned guitarists because most of them dont really know what the main differences between the high end models and the budget models are, nor would they be able to tell a lot of difference playabilty wise if they were setting next to each other. The only budget minded guitars I have ever had much use for were Epiphones...but they are really mid-range priced.

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If you compare the DKMG or DXMG to a prestige Ibanez,
They're are pratically the same.But If you compare the DXMG to guitars
with its same price range, you'll see that the DXMG is the WAY to GO!!!

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can anybody tell me which one is better: a budget ibanez, or a budget jackson?

and then tell me if a high-end jackson or high-end ibanez is better?

give reasons too

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Budget Jackson Have; Seymour Duncan Pickups or EMG Hz's
Budget Ibanez Have; Stock Pickups (some are good, but most suck)

High End JAckson Have; Powered EMG Pickups, Seymour Duncan Pickups,
and Powered Livewire SD pickups
High END Ibeanez have; Stock pickups & Di marzio pickups

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id suggest u do some research for urself before u go buy one

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note: the Budget Jackson's Seymour Duncans are the duncan-designed shit, not the JB/Jazz/59 type...

Also, in terms of bridges, Ibanez redone their lineups, and have dropped the old TRS (POS) bridge, and have replaced it with the Edge Pro...

Both have thier positives and negatives, but IMO, pickups are much easier to change than a bridge.

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besides pickups, what are other contrasts?

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The RG270 Ibanez is quite a cool guitar, but i should never change it for a jackson guitar.

Stealths and the PS-series are cool!

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well the bridge but thats allready been mentioned, high range ibanez's have Wizzard necks, which are really thin and have great acces to the higher frets (the neck feels better then regular guitars above the 12th fret)
Jacksons have nice necks too, but I liked the ibanez's better (I only played a american Dinky though)

however, I think the paint on ibanez guitars is CRAP, our guitarist owns one and the guitarist in my other band has an ibanez too, but he doesn't like it much. the paint chips of way to easily, having a hardcase helps but still if you just hit the guitar against something, the paint chips off...

Well Looks... I prefer most of the Jacksons, wicked headstocks and stuff, but Ibanez's are really cool too... only the RG series though, but that's the way to go if you're going to buy an ibanez anyways. The 's' series feels too light and has not got a great ammount of sustain (the non-prestiges I might add.) I like the sharp edged RG series a lot....

Jacksons, well if you have enough money to spend, get an american jackson, they're pretty awsome... I think they beat the Ibanez prestiges due too the active EMG's

by the way, duncan designed pickups AND EMG-hz's pretty much suck, they sound like shit compared to real seymour duncans or emg 81's.

On the other hand, looking at the el-cheapo models, Ibanez has more trump cards, I don't consider their own made pickups 'crappy', compared to the duncan designed, I think they even outclass them, but thats a matter of personal taste, looks aren't much different then the expensive models but the trems and neck are different.
I think the cheaper Jackson range is just a tad to expensive for what they are, the american pro series etc, are definetly worth their money.
Or you could just buy a cheaper Jackson and get real EMG's for it and a proper floyd.

I agree. I'd say find whatever neck you like, find a low-end model, and mod it from there

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well , what do u think is the best jackson model ?
i so far tried the kelly standard , and didnt like it much ......

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I like the randy rhoads and the dinky models.

to mechanicalraper:

the ibanez model with the bad paint was an RG too, an RG7620 and RG3120, I dunno they both had the problem... I heard more stories about it, maybe they fixed it now, but the RG3120 was pretty new, the guy who owned it was really pissed off about it (he should be, they're not cheap...)

About the pickups, yeah, its a matter of taste, I like EMG's a lot because they sound really tight, ofcourse DiMarzio's are nice too, but I don't like their sound too much.l
And Yeah, IBZ pickups suck compared to EMG's, but not compared to EMG-hz's.. I don't know if they come from the same factory, I seriously doubt it though.
the HZ's do not sound like the real emg's at all, real EMG's sound WAY better...

That's news to me, Def....

And I'd definately take IBZs over Duncan Designed or HZs...

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the paint thing? well, I dunno if you do a lot of gigs, but I can tell you this, if you're doing a lot of gigs or are doing a lot of gigs in the future, buy a case or your ibanez will be ruined in no time....
I don't know it was a problem they fixed now, but the guy with the RG3120 bought his guitar this year, so I don't think its fixed...
I have to admit, we're pretty rough when it comes to gear though, and we need to drag it along around the country, so that could explain a lot... if you just use your guitar at home or don't do a lot of gigs/transporting, the chances are that you won't damage your guitar that fast.

and ehm, just wonder but that thread starter, icarus or something, is he around? lol we're having a nice discussion and all but eh...

Has any one got an Iceman what are they like compared to jacksons of similar price???

Jackson RAndy Rhodes is the gtod of guitars (apart from my Maverick)

Uhm, a question that is only a bit related to the topic.
Most of you guys seem to have tried a lot of models of both Jacksons and Ibanezs. Do music shops where you live have these guitars in the shop at all times, or have you like asked the shop to get one so you could try it?
The music shop closest to me (40km.... ) does keep some Ibanez models, but I've only twice seen Jacksons in there, and they were used.

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Most shops here have loads of Ibanez's in store, prestige models too, which are neat.
Jackson can't be found everywhere here, but I only go to big music shops.... if they don't have them in store, they probably won't order them if you just want to try them and you're not sure if you're going to buy it or not.

The GC out here stocks equal models of each. What sucks is that 99% of the guitars have the bridges blocked (once I managed to find a Kelly with an unblocked bridge , but they try to block 'em all). The other stores are kind of hit or miss.

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Yeah, I've done some gigging (not too heavily), and yes, I use a hardshell case.

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Unfair Cause I really like what I've seen from Jackson so far, but the shop wont order anything if I'm not 90% sure I'll buy it. ( And I'd love to try an RR3 or something.

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ah that explains, using a case really reduces the damago on paintjobs, our guitarist didn't have on when he just bought it, his RG didn't fit into his case. in that short period his Ibanez has lost pieces of paint and has bumps and stuff, it really sucks, but he has a case now... that does the trick..

but if you don't have a case, you'll have to take serious care, Ibanez's seem to have a shitty paintjob....

maybe you guys should visit big-ass guitar shops, I bet america has them there too. I went to Musik Productiv last week, they claim to be the worlds biggest music store they had pretty much everything, tried out a few RR models and a Dinky with a dimebucker and another seymour duncan pickup.. neat shit.. Jackson is the shit when it comes to guitar, I like the high range jacksons a lot.
the RR models suck if you're trying to play sitting, lol, I like the dinky's body shape, but the RR with emg's has a great sound!

The problem is that I live in Sweden, which is pretty much dead when it comes to music shops. And I don't live in or near a big city either (40km to closest bigger city, about 120.000 ppl I think (to put that to some type of scale I can say that Sweden has a population of 9 millions, of which 1 million live in our capital (Stockholm))).

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I'm getting a second hand JAckson CG-37.....It kicks ass!!!

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I have a RR model 5 Jackson with a JB in the bridge and getting a Jazz in the neck, it seems Jackson is a great guitar comp. (even though Fender bought them out) which I might add blows. Anyway, stick with the jackson, for alot less than a new guitar you can fix that axe up and make it sound new again
Plus Jackons are just overall better sound, and feel.

!! JACKSON !!

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Way to bring back a 2 year old thread guys!!!!

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