I wanna know has anyone tried out the 6505+ if so do you think it's worth the money.

ITS A FUCKING 5150

FIFTY ONE FIFTY

5-1-5-0

Im tired of saying that, now search the forums for "5150"

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it is the same amp, just got a face lift
if its the same price as the 5150 was then yea its worth it

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so whats the new version of the 5150II?

and which one is better, the 5150 or the 5150II?

oh thats a good question actually

bls...?

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its in the title.. a 5150 II is a 6505 +

and the differences arent that big. the 5150 II had a seperate eq.. and I think it had a better clean and a little less gain than the regular 5150.

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ah i didnt know the + was part of it

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5150 - 6505
5150II - 6505+

http://members.aol.com/fjamods/5150Models.html

This has all been explained before.

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Thank for the info so the question I should be asking is what do you guys think of the 5150.

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BLS OWNED YOU ALL!

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meh, it's common sense really. well for anyone who has semi paid attention the the whole evh-peavey thing.

the only differences between the 6505's and 5150's are the cosmetics.

as far as "better" between a 5150 and 5150II, there is no better. just personal prefference.

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6505s are cheaper than the 5150s were

I can see how a total beginner totally new to all guitar electronics think that the 6505 is a totally new amplifier ...

i guess, but even if they just read the description on Peavey's site, they would realize the situation

Exactly.. in EVERY ad for the 6505, in EVERY description for the 6505, anything that even mentions the 6505 clearly states that it is A 5150 WITH A DIFFERENT FACEPLATE OMG!!1

Learn to fucking read.

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Then I retract my statement, seeing as how BLS owns even would-be inquirers of the 6505.

no they arent... BLS said they would be. but they arent.

5150 was $900

5150 II was $950

i'm looking at the new musician's friend catalog..

6505 - 937.49

6505+ - 974.99



oh i love the description..


when in reality, that's not how that extra preamp tube is used at all. the 6505+/5150 II's actually have a little less gain than the standard.

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They wouldn't deserve a 6505 in the first place...

why not ?

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because EVERY guitar player should be using a JCM800

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jcm 800's only sound good to me when you crank them.

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even then they lack in gain.

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are you positive about those numbers? i could have sworn the 5150 II was $1,049.00. i dont know though, you could very well be right.

well i'm sure some places have charged that much... but i'm just comparing and old musicians friend catalog with 5150's to a new one with 6505's... not much price difference at all.

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5150's were 939 new and the 5150II was a little over $1000.. the price drop was almost non existent.. Peavey must finally realize that the 5150 will sell no matter what price. And im getting my price from an old Musician's Friend catalog as well.. your catalog retarded

Your right about the tube.. the extra tube is just shared between the lead and rhythm.

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Yeah I was hoping for it to be a little cheaper, considering it came as low as like $700 when they stopped making them, but yeah I know that was cuz they were trying to sell all of 'em.

Just wait a few months, once used 6505's become availible then you will be able to get them cheap, everyone will want the "vintage block letter logo" 5150

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the old ass catalog i have says otherwise

and that's also what the local dealer was selling them at.


i'm glad peavey doesnt overprice their shit as much as other brands... marshall just had a ridiculous price increase... you can now purchase a soldano avenger for less than a jcm 800 REISSUE! oi.. marshall needs to pull their heads out of their asses.

mesa simply wont let their dealers bring the amps below list pricing(if you're a guitar center employee you can buy mesa at cost... ). but at least mesa still makes quality products... marshall is just getting lazy, not inovative.. play a stilleto(mesa's newest line) and then play the mode four(marshall's latest invention) and you'll hear what i mean. the stilleto is great for what is designed to do.. the mode four is only so so...

i'm interested in the new peavey stuff coming out soon... the valve king looks promising. for an obvious roadking ripoff.

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Yeh the Valve King and the Penta look cool.

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The Penta looks especially great.

The extra tube on the 5150II is only used for the rhythm channel. Clean and crunch tones.
Jerry

owned...

my point was the magazine was just trying to make it look like the 5150 II is a step up from the 5150 because it had more gain... when in fact it actually has about the same(a little less). not that it matters anyways.. a stock 5150 with the gain past 6 is practically unusable anyways, and that's still more than enough for insane brutality.

hell i could give a fuck less about number of tubes... separate eq's would be enough to sell me on it. that imo is the 5150's biggest downfall(other than not having a "real clean channel"), shared eq... plus i just prefer the voicing of the 5150 II.. it has more of a "shimmer".

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When you guys talk about it being too much gain past like 6, how brutal do you mean? And why was it designed with so much gain if V.H. designed it, like he wouldn't use all that?

Oh, I was just going by this http://members.aol.com/fjamods/5150II.jpg




Its just gets muddy after that, is becomes a big mess if gain, a 5150 cranked with the gain at 5 is still PLENTY of gain.

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In that picture the first tube the guitar signal sees is the second tube from the right, then if you're using the rhythm channel it goes thru the first tube on the right (the extra tube), and then down to the effects loop tube, PI, then power amp. On the lead channel the signal goes from that second tube to the next 2 tubes to the left, and then the loop, PI, and finally power amp. The lead channel goes thru the same 6 gain stages as the original but it has a few differences to make it brighter with less gain. The rhythm channel goes thru 3 gain stages to give it a more Marshall type rhythm tone with better cleans.
Jerry

hahahahaha... E.V.H. actually using the 5150's??? ahahaha!

eddie has like 10 marshalls and a few racks of shit pumping out his sounds.

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Hey fucker, Peavey said so and they would never, ever lie. You deserve to die .

http://www.lewzworld.com/vanhalen/p...ie5150stack.jpg

haha, what a joke... peavey and e.v.h. is like shadows fall and krank... just an empty chasis used as a prop to please the company that endorses them. with the real amps off or back stage producing the real sounds. though the 5150's are actually good amps, where as krank is a complete joke.

peavey lies alot... go to www.eurotubes.com and look at bob's thing about the fuckers at peavey saying certain mods cannot be done, yada yada...

eddie's real rig

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Buy from Doug, dont waste your time with Bob.

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Peavey's not lying. Bob's wrong and he knows it. He's been told about it by more than just Roger at Peavey. Bob is a SALESMAN, and a pretty good one at that.
Jerry

Doug is a straight shooter and he's got great stuff.
Jerry

i don't know man, i'm no fancy tech, but... roger at peavey says "it can't be done"... and bob at eurotubes "has done it".

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Who are you gonna believe, the people that designed and built the amp or the guy trying to get your money and move tubes off his shelf? Bob doesn't fix, or design amps, he sells tubes.
I can back up what Roger has stated because I have seen it with my own eyes here in my shop. E34L's can cause damage in the XXX. I've also received several emails from guys that didn't listen to Peavey or me only to have their amps take a shit. It may not happen everytime but you'd be a complete fool to go against the manufacturers recomendation.

I've posted this on others forums, ask Bob to put his money where his mouth is. Put it in writing that he'll guarantee it won't hurt your amp and he'll pay to fix it if it does.
Jerry

The XXX cant handle E34L's because of the screen grid resistors, correct?

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well, that is a valid point... he is a tube salesman...

but...

you don't have to use his tubes to make it work, and nowhere did he say that(though he does mention that to his ears and many customers, his tubes are the bomb ).

i also beleive the people on forums i've asked about it... people that have had their amps modded for IQ's for long periods of time under heavy use, with no issues.

and bob says he's done the modifications to make amps like this... he's not saying, go ahead and throw in a pair of kt88's and a pair of el34's and you're set... he even told me straight up, if i were to do it, my amp would need extensive modding. which makes complete sense.

i'm not here to say bob's a shady salesman, i've had no issues with him, nor had any reason to doubt his credibility. i'm just saying, all personal issues aside... who is right?


el34's do damage to xxx's? that's kinda funny you say that... considering this:



it's compatablity with el34's is also mentioned on the peavey website. they must be fools for going against their own recomendations..(just like i'm a fool for not using a boss adaptor for my ns-2 even though they told me to :P )

i'd also like to add that mesa has been doing this for quite some time... even the old 2/95's(one of my all time favorite poweramps) run two 6l6's and two el34's per side... thats the same concept of an integrated quad... or the mesa road king which runs 4 6l6's and two el34's..

if you and your kick assy-ness of wisdom in this subject could enlighten me (and everyone else that is unsure of who to beleive) as to exactly why an amp cannot be safely modded two run two different powertube types simultaneously(even though it is already being done with great success). that would help me out alot.

i'm not trying to be a complete "know it all" smart ass, i mean you're the 5150 guy... feel free to bust out on me and totally put me in my place. i'd just like to know "the facts".


well, i'm not going to have it done to my amp... so i don't know what good that would do me.

just playing the devils advocate.

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Peavey has stated that el34's cause problems with XXX's, read their forums. http://forums.peavey.com/

The newer models have upgraded screen grid resistors I belive.

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nice to know i guess?

not everyone hangs around the peavey forums to know these things. most people will go to the website, or seller to read what they have to say.

my point is, jerryP said don't do what they tell you not to do... then he says el34's can't work right with xxx's. yet peavey themselves advertise the xxx as being compatible with el34's. seemed a bit strange eh?

a classic example of why i don't always trust the manufacturer. like with mesa's only being able to use mesa tubes.. my ass... mesa's tubes are pretty much just restamped tubes from other brands.. they're just picked to be in a certain range that the amps work with.

and if it's a simple solution of modifications. then i'm right, in saying bob is right... WITH MODIFICATIONS, it is possible.... besides, switching an amp from running 6l6's to running el34's isnt an integrated quad. and intergrated quad is running two different pairs of powertubes.

so far i'm still missing how it isnt possible... i mean, for someone to simply "SAY" it's not possible... and then another person "does it"... and yet someone still "says" it's not possible... where is the in depth explanation of "why it isnt possible" so we can call that fact?

i mean, jerry is like "the man" for 5150 shit, as well as other things... and he seems to be confident that he's right... so i'm sure he'd have no problems explaining exactly how it's impossible.

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It's the E34L that causes problems, not the EL34. You can use EL34's without any problems. It is the screen grid resistors that fail but they can also take out flyback diodes when they fail.
The thing that bothers me about Bob is that he's been made aware of the problem with the E34L and he continues to tell people to use them. He even has his stupid explanation of why you can on his site. He's wrong. There's a guy over at Harmony Central that called Bob, was told the E34L's were OK and sounded great and then he had problems. He called Bob back and Bob started to backstep and double talk saying you might have a problem with them. In the end if I recall, his problem wasn't the screen grids but that's not the point. The point is Bob sold him the tubes by telling him they were the shit and then when the guy had a problem the story changed. Reminds me of a used car salesman.
The problem with the screen grid resistor is Peavey uses a 100 ohm resistor. This is too small. They saw amps coming back with failed resistors (so did I) using the E34L tubes and they told owners not to use the those tubes. Bob has a problem with Roger because Roger asked him to tone down his tube spamming on the Peavey forum. Bob has been banned from a few forums (according to his own website) for this.
Peavey as of 7 or 8 months ago started using 700 ohm screen grid resistors in the XXX/JSX amps so the E34L tubes are ok to use now.
Look at any schematic or read any tube book and you'll see that 470 ohm is the standard value for 6L6's and 1K is the standard value for EL34 type tubes. 1K is a long way off from 100 ohm. That's where the problem is with the E34L tubes. Bob is correct that the E34L is very close to a EL34, but he doesn't take into account that Peavey is already using a much smaller resistor than is commonly used. Many 5150's take out screen grid resistors using the 6L6's. 100 ohms is too small in my opinion. I've started upgrading them when I find them failed.
Jerry

OT: I'M GETTING A RIVERA BITCHES!!!

EDIT: Seems like he sold it to someone else...

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oh, my bad, i thought you said el34's...



did the bro get bob to compensate him?



well... thanks... that explains the E34L issue...

how about them IQ's though? still think they're impossible? if so, could i get an explaination as to why it's not possible to mod an amp to run two different types of powertubes?

just to remove any false information that has been spread.

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I really want to try out an XXX head.

when i saw the band The End they had XXX's and they sounded pretty killer

when i see suffocation in may i think they will be using them, itll be interesting to see how well they suit them

Here's my take on IQ's and I may be totally wrong because I'll admit, I'm no tube guru and I have limited knowledge of the actual workings of tubes. I'm not out to BS anyone and this is just my opinion which is also shared by a few other folks that do know, but I'm not naming names.

To get 2 different tube types to run correctly biased with one bias voltage I believe one or both or these tube types must be out of the normally accepted range for that particular tube type. If the bias voltage is changed and each set of sockets has it's own bias adjustment and voltage then I would say it's OK. When Mesa uses EL34's in the outside sockets of thier amps they have resistors on those tube sockets to compensate for the bias voltage requirement differences. The whole idea behind the IQ makes sense if the tubes were properly biased. People did this before Bob started pushing it but they did it with separte bias settings. I think he does have that on his 5150 he has on his site.
Jerry

okay... well, so then with the right modifications it is possible like bob is saying... with special stress on the modifications.

whether or not it sounds better or anything of that sort, is totally subjective.

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You guys know too much you damn bitches, this is getting too complicated.

yeah but just think. the idea of IQ is really cool imo.

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i don't know shit.
it's just with my basic knowlegde of how tube amps work, it made no sense to me why an amp with proper modifications couldnt run two types of powertubes.

i think jerry was more concerned about plugging in and playing with an IQ setup, and the whole e34l thing.

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Uh oh

http://acapella.harmony-central.com...threadid=900965

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yep... we just discussed the whole e34l thing...

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I need to know if there is a really huge difference between the 6505 and the 6505+ !

for the price difference, is it a good purchase to take the 6505+ or the difference isn't enough big ?? i play hardcore/metal/breakdown with my ESP LTD EC-500 with EMG 81 bridge pickup.

way to bump a 3 year old thread.

read this. http://www.fjamods.com/5150Models.html

the 2 is brighter, less gain (hardly), and channel switches.

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