about mayhem....and the dude getting his brain eaten. Can someone that knows a lot about this please explain this for me one more time. This whole black metal scene thing is just shocking!

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nah most of these stories are all about the same 4 or 5 fucked up assholes. Nothing to do with the scene (if there still is one).

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ieeuw, that sounds gross

I imagine there still is a scene, it's just not as strong as the early 90's.

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wasn't that shit all about mayhem's first singer or something? didn't someone from Mayhem kill someone else from Mayhem? something like that??

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Well I heard the story and got all confused. I was hoping someone on here would straighten this out for me.

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What I know is:

- Varg killed Euronymous
- Varg was Mayhems old bassist

Varg killed Euronymous (sp?) because a fortune teller told Varg that Euronymous wanted to kill him, and then Euronymous caught on and wanted to kill Varg, but Varg got to him first. It was something like that, I dunno much about it.

and Euronymous was the one that ate Dead's brain right?

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I can't say I'm 100% on that, but I think it was him, probably was.

Somebody set me straight!!!

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www.burzum.com if you want the "real" answer

keep it mind its gonna be from varg's point of view tho

Then in a way, it isnt the real answer.....but i'll check it out.

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So is this Varg guy in jail or somethin?

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he was found guilty of euronymous' murder....so I would think so.

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Formed around 1985 by Necrobutcher and guitarist Euronymous (born Oystein Aarseth), Mayhem was the first death metal band from Norway to make much of an impact in their homeland, which in the early '90s developed a burgeoning underground scene rife with violent, sometimes anti-Christian activity -- as evidenced by Mayhem's non-musical history. Drummer Hellhammer, who at one time worked in a mental hospital, is the only remaining member of the band's prime-period lineup. Lead vocalist Dead committed suicide in 1991 (two years after joining the band) by shooting himself in the head; Hellhammer made a necklace using some of his skull fragments, and Euronymous reportedly cooked and ate pieces of Dead's brain. Euronymous, in turn, was stabbed to death while in his underwear on August 10, 1993, by the band's bass player, Count Grishnackh (born Christian Vikernes). Grishnackh's alleged motive was jealousy over the fact that Euronymous had a more evil reputation; he inflicted 23 separate wounds, it was also rumored, so as to outdo rival band Emperor's drummer, Faust, who was convicted in the stabbing death of a homosexual acquaintance. When police arrested Grishnackh, they found over 150 kg of stolen dynamite in his house, complete with a plan to blow up a large church on a religious holiday. Grishnackh went on to pursue his electronic-influenced project Burzum while in prison; meanwhile, Euronymous' parents requested that his bass tracks be erased from Mayhem's 1994 album, De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas, (which featured session vocalist Attila Csihar). Still, thanks to growing worldwide interest in Norwegian death metal, Mayhem product has continued to appear on the shelves into the next century. Hellhammer also put together a new Mayhem lineup, which has toured sporadically. ~ Steve Huey, All Music Guide

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FREE GRISHNACKH!!!!!!

Haha, they're all psychos.

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THAT'S FUCKING BULLSHIT!

Varg killed Euronymous because Euronymous was planning to kill him, because Varg was getting more media attention, and was making a fool out of Euronymous. So when Varg came to Euyonymous (Aarseth or something like that)'s apartment, Euronymous was planning to torture him and video tape it, and Euronymous was attacking him with a knife, but then I dunno what Varg did, but Euronymous ran off, and Varg as "future self defense" ran after him (not sure about running after him, but he isn't gonna walk, right?) and killed him, because if Euronymous tried it again, and was successfull, he would be dead. Varg is also in jail for stealing 150KG of explosives (which he did) and ALLEGEDLY burnt down churches (which he said he didnt) That's what I read anywyas.

Well it probably is bullshit considering I got it off of www.cdnow.com

but i dunno.

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Woa.. That's a great idea... I'm gonna find members of Nsync or some other shit boyband, torture em and put it on tape!!! HAHAHAHHA that'll be so great!!!

But hell.. Burning churches is fine in my book.

No, that's way wrong.

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It was either churches or jewish temples, both I think, but whatever. This guy really has weird views, go to the Burzum site, it has a lot.

Alright I will.

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That's it you crackheads, here's the thing:

-In 1991 singer of Mayhem Dead killed himself with by shooting himself in the head with a shotgun. Oystein (Euro) was the first to find him, and took a few pictures, besides taking a few pieces of his brain.

-By 1993 Oystein was on the head of the Norwegian Black Metal scene, with a store called Helvete and a record label called Deathlike Silence Productions. Among a few bands on this label was found Burzum, Kristian Vikernes' band (now Varg Vikernes) which was never payed for by Oystein, because that man was so shit poor that any records bought off of DSP he needed to buy food off. Also, in this period Varg lived with Euro for a few months and things changed between them. There were many theories why, but Varg went to Oystein's house in August and went upstairs. When Oystein opened the door, Varg attacked him and stabbed him to death. Some while later he was arrested and put into jail. He's still serving some 20 something years, so he'll be there for a while.

Done.

P.S.: Burning churches rules

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Thanks for the stitch.

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FREE GRISHNACKH!!!

*smack* lol

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Hmm, Varg didn't attack Euro first, read:

What EXACTLY were you convicted for?

I was convicted for; theft and possession of 125 Kg of Dynamite and 26 Kg of Glynite (another type of explosives); arson of four Jewish temples (churches), wherof three burned to the ground; three cases of burglary (in search for weapons some claimed…); 1st degree murder (although it was really second degree murder); and… yes, I think that was it .

I was charged for arsoning a fifth Jewish temple (Fantoft Stavechurch); one or two cases of grave-desecration; and they took some 3000 rounds of rifle and pistol ammunition (but the police just took it, and never even mentioned it on the list of confiscated items). I was found not guilty in burning the Fantoft church, and the prosecutor actually advised the jury himself not to find me guilty of those charges - simply because they were utterly ridiculous and there was no proof whatsoever that I had done such things! (like grave desecration).

I told the Court that I was guilty of the theft and possession of dynamite/glynite, and I told them I was guilty of ‘voluntary manslaughter’ in self-defence. Meaning it was in self-defence, but I understood that in their view, in their legal system, it was legally ‘voluntary manslaughter’, as I no longer was in a position where my life was DIRECTLY threatened after Aarseth (the guy I killed) ran out of the apartment.

As for the proof in the case there were no technical proof in ANY of the cases, except in the dynamite/glynite case of course, where they found 150Kg of it in my cellar…

In all the other cases I am found guilty solely because of ONE or TWO witnesses in each case, claiming I had done it, or been there, or the like. Some of the proof was so thin that my new lawyer said he was surprised I was convicted in the first place. In one case it was OBVIOUS I have not done it (the Åsane Kirke-case).

So I would say, they never proved these things, but I was convicted anyway!

You say Mayhem founder Oystein Aarseth was killed in self-defense? Why would he want to kill you in the first place?

He wanted to kill me for several reasons. I dumped his label, and by doing that left him with a label with only bands that sold extemely bad (Abruptum, and some other trash). I made him look like a complete fool several times - i.e. from making fun of him to disclosing his many lies to others. I started to spread racist propaganda to our milieu. But most importantly I managed to become more interesting for the media, than he was. For some reason it was very important for him to be ‘the centre’ of everything. This was of course because I did something, while he was just talking about these things - so after a while nobody took him serious, as they saw that he was just full of talk, and no action. He blamed me for this, since I was the person - he believed - responsible for making him look like a wimp (which he was of course).

You must remember that he had been ‘the centre’ of the movement a long time, he was 25 years old, while I was only 19 (and 20 when I killed him), and he took it very serious when people started listening to me instead of him. He was a Communist, and hated the fact that "everybody" was fully into my nationalist and racist views - that is, after a while of course. In short he didn’t like the development, and wanted to put and end to it by killing me. First he tried to find proof against me for several crimes he ‘knew’ I had committed, but he failed to do so.

The reason I disrespected him was simply because he was completely incompetent and incapable of running his label efficiently. He was full of big words and never did anything as he promised to do. He was obsessed with this ‘Satanist’ thing, while I wanted to spread Odinism in the scene (and he hated me for that as well). He was disgusting, watching dirty movies all the time, and we even suspected him for being bisexual or homosexual! I did not want anything to do with him, and did nothing to my contempt for him to anybody! He was a pig, and I told that to ‘everybody’!

I was a bit pissed because I had wasted so much time, belief and energy on his label, and everything was a waste! I was young alright, but still was a fool to believe in his label in the first place.

To put it short there were a lot of reasons for me to hate him, and because of my respectable way of handling this he had a reason to hate me as well; I told the truth about him, and for sure the truth is very often uncomfortable for many!

I meant - and still mean - that I killed him in self-defence, simply because it was he who attacked me, and not the other way around, when I showed up in his apartment that evening to tell him to "fuck off" (to put it that way). He intended to torture me to death, filming it and selling it as a ‘snuff’ movie to others - and I knew this because a friend of his told me about it. He attacked me and he tried to kill me (with a knife). He failed miserably alright, but I knew that if I did not end "the show" there I would only give him a second chance, and of course I saw no point in doing that. Maybe he was more successful (for a change…) the second time? That is why I mean it was in self-defence. In beginning it was self-defence, even legally, but when he started to flee it was no longer legally, and I then call the killing a ‘preventative action’, ‘preventative self-defence’.

Whoa, intense.

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That should hopefully set everything straight.

I'm not saying this to start an argument, but what makes u think his account of the story is what actually happened?

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Varg is not the type to lie, trust me on that, see how he admitted to some of the stuff he did? Plus, go read some of the stuff on the site, you'll be surprised at how intellectual he is.

alright, ill check it out now.

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Hm yeah what you guys posted is quite the true story..

About Dead's skull , it was hellhammer who picked them up and made a necklace with them. Then you have the rumour of Euronymous taking his brain and cooking it...

And about Euro's murder. Varg supposedly stabbed him in the face 30 times , the last one being a stab in the eye. Blackthrone and another dude helped Grishnack to kill Euronymous.

And it was varg ONLY who burned the Skjold church.

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i can't believe that i read that whole thing.

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Just becasue varg said he did it in self defense dosent make him innocent. He probally didn't, and the story could easy be the other way around. You really shoudent believe everything you read, espically if its some one that is involved in it and is bieng accused of it. And for every one that replied with "Burning churches is cool", i dont see you doing it.

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So he wasnt alone when he came to euronymous's house and was attacked? Doesn't that kinda imply the three of them meant to kill him? whatever happened to the other 2 guys? Regarless, the whole story is ridiculously disturbing.

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well there was only 2 guys but only Varg went in ...the other one stayed outside ... and for the third guy he was in Bergen and was supposed to make a withdraw(sp) in an ATM machine with Varg's card so they could have proof that Varg was in Bergen at the time Euronymous was killed but Varg left the wrong card (very stupid) ...so that says that the "self-defense" story was just shit made up by Varg ...and it was just 23 stabs ...and just 1 in the face(skull)

Sup Lord Malphas! Varg is a complete idiot. Anyway... i read an interview and Varg himself said that he stabbed Euronymous about 20 times in the head , especially the eyes...

Oh and i wrote Blackthrone instead of Blackthorn in my previous post... Sorry about that.

Im sure if Varg ever gets out of prision , one hardcore Mayhem fan will shoot him in the head..

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yeah I know ... someone will ... there's people that are waiting for Varg to come out to avenge Euronymous

Stabbing in the face/head??? That's so fucked... crazy shit

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Damn, I started this thread a long ass time ago....

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...and in court Varg´s lawyer was making all sorts of ecxuses to get him out earlier. And when the Judge asked Varg if he wanted to say anything (he hadn´t spoken the entire court session) he said: `I killed the guy´

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Dude....Thats grosss....
Eating human brains, and making a necklace out of human skull..
SAVAGES!!!!!! Is that shit allowed in Norway to keep a corpse inside someones home?

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He also sold shards of the skull to loyal fans.

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when does varg get out?

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that has to be the STUPIDIEST THING IVE EVER READ.......

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he didn't sell ... he sent some pieces to some people

and guess what? its fucking true!

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I believe he was caught in 1994, and got 20 years. So about 2014 I´d say...

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i heard next year, or very soon. because he has quite burzum and is trying to get out with good behaivor....but its all romers

Not crazy enough, last year my neighbor went out to kill a Turk (turkish person),
He stabbed the turk's face 5 times, and he shit inside his mouth to degrade the corpse...Sick thing....He is sentenced to death

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oh yeah? well my hamster's neighbor turtle stabbed a long-legged squirrel in the eyebrows 510 times with a pogo! and my dad's bigger than yours

I don't understand what you just put...
Your Hamster's neighbor? Are you in pre-school?

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lol

DAMN MAN, THAT IS SOME CRAZY SHIT. DO YOU GUYS KNOW ANY OF THE STORIES CONCERNING BRUJERIA? THEY'RE PRETTY FUCKED UP TOO.




HAIL

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You don´t wanna mess with that hamster!

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Good behavior I believe, but he didn´t quit Burzum did he? He changed style (black metal to only keyboard) but he didn´t quit, I hope...

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I dunno if you guys are sure about this but im sure that Varg isnt gonna QUIT burzum.. he changed his style yes , just compare aske and filosofem.

And about the skull pieces , morgan from Marduk has some of them. (he has a massive skull collection in his apartment , along with charming books like 'the good nazi' waffen ss and nazi encyclopedia.

I never heard of any Brujeria stories , can someone post 'em?

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he did offically quit buzum dude. i think in '99, i cant remember the year. buzum is no more. i hope that when he gets out of jail, hell make new Black Metal shit...

i know some storys about those guys and fans stetting fire to churches and reanacting crusifixes and stuff real time.

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They're gonna kill VARG! He should just stay in prison

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best for him and the rest of the world......

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i heard he is getting out early for good behavior.

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Well i don't know about that. Imagine if euronymous killed varg instead , would you diss him and do not buy his cds? I doubt it.

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WELL THIS IS WHAT I KNOW ABOUT THE BRUJERIA STORIES. IT IS RUMORED THAT DINO CAZARES IS IN THE BAND AND MEMBERS FROM NAPALM DEATH, DIMMU BORGIR, AND CRADLE OF FILTH BUT NO ONE REALLY KNOWS THEIR IDENTITIES BECAUSE THEY WEAR MASKS, DON'T TOUR, DON'T DO INTERVIEWS, ECT. THE STORY IS THAT THEY GOT SIGNED BY ROADRUNNER RECORDS BY KIDNAPPING THE OWNER. THEY ARE SAID TO BE MURDEROUS DRUG LORDS FROM SOUTH OF THE BORDER. RUMORS STATE THAT 70% OF THE DRUGS IN THE U.S ARE SMUGGLED IN BY THE BAND AND THE "B.S.T"(BRUJERIA STREET TEAM) A.K.A THE MEXTREMISTS. THEY ARE SAID TO HAVE MURDERED NUMEROUS PERSONS AND ARE ON AMERICA'S MOST WANTED LIST. THE COVER OF THEIR DEBUT ALBUM "MATANDO GÜEROS" IS SAID TO BE A PICTURE OF ONE OF THEIR "VICTIMS" ALONG WITH THE BACKROUND ON THEIR WEBPAGE, WWW.BRUJERIA.COM. THEY ALSO CONFESS TO ALL THEIR CRIMES AND FUTURE PLANS IN THEIR LYRICS. PRETTY FUCKED UP IF YOU ASK ME, NO ONE'S EVER SEEN THEM WITH OUT THEIR MASKS, THEY DON'T TOUR, THEY DON'T DO INTERVIEWS, THEY FORTELL THEIR SCHEMES YET GET AWAY WITH THEM....DAMN, AND THIS IS JUST WHAT I'VE HEARD, I REALLY DON'T KNOW THE WHOLE STORY.



HAIL

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i dont exactly bealive that...no not at all

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Right... well i have visited brujerias site and it looks like rotten.com metal version...

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1. Come-on, people! Varg held no former intentions of murderring Euronymous?!! poor, innocent Varg........!
He actually MADE AN ALIBY for himself, & even, as been said, forgot some details of it because he was so excited about the murder, for example- he told his aquaintance to pull some money with his card in order to convince that Varg was in Bergen at the time of the murder. Ruch, the one that escourted varg to hieronymous' place, admitted that Varg wanted to murder Hieronymous... those are only SOME of the proves I know about!

2. Varg don't lie?? let's not forget he said he hate satanists ... but he was one of them untill 1993...

3 . To the muthefuckers that think burning churches is cool: Those churches are hystorical beautiful buildings! only stupid degenerats are to burn them. moreover, the act is supposed to hurt Christianity but instead the Christians are becoming more gathered under the re-constructions of those churches. At least they have some brains.

As you can see I hate the stupid brat. However, he did murder Aerseth and was found guilty in that murder. he is spending in the prison many, many years for killing someone that maybe is not the best person ever born, but the one without whome the black metal scene wouldn't acchieve the half of it's size and without whom it began to fall apart.

1. Fuck you you newbie CUNT!!!!! Don't dig up year and a half old threads!!! FUCKER!!!

2. He isn't a satanist now, he is a heathen, his patron got is Oden. He has every right to hate Satanists.

3. The chuches weren't just burnt because they hated christianity, they burnt a lot of them because they were built over old Viking holy sites.

4. Black metal wouldn't be the same it is now with out Varg either, and Burzum was a better band then Mayhem ever was...

I know i should have ignored this amazingly stupid thread... But i'm one of the few Varg fans here, and i felt i had to say something, and i hope i havn't brought the whole argument back up.

PS: you didn't even spell EURONYMOUS' name correctly.

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Christian Vikernes is a fruity fag and Burzum is the worst band I've ever heard. I'd also like to point out that I had a cousin who used to be a huge Spice Girls fans, and I was stuck in the car while the whole album played.

Basically, Spice Girls > Burzum. I'd rather listen to the first 20 seconds of "Cotton Eye Joe" played on repeat for a full 24 hours than any of Christian's techno bullshit.

WHY do newbs find these old threads and resurrect them? It's kind of annoying..... (this is the second thread I see from 2002 in a week or so....)

Maybe we should look at it from the bright side.... THE NEWBS ARE LEARNING TO SEARCH!!!

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Wow..
I knew Mayhem had some really fucked up stories but I never really knew the whole story. Thats really fucked up and kinda cool. lol

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You still don't know the story if all you know about it came from this thread. You couldn't know the whole story to begin with, but I highly recommend the book "Lords of Chaos"- it's an excellent read on the genre (and metal in particular) and goes into depth about the fucked up situations regarding Mayhem and others. I wish I knew where my copy was, I'd probably be re-reading it.

i agree with what was said by hellhammer in Lords Of Chaos. dont burn christian churches, it wont actually do anything. instead, burn down some muslim mosques with lots of people inside. not only would we save some beautiful artwork of that country, as hellhammer put it, but on a more current level, christianity is not a threat to the security of the world whereas islam is.

You are a fucking idiot.

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Burning churches/mosques/anything is fucking angstish and shows how idiot the man can be, if you want to spread your ideology (what ever it would be) any church burning etc. definitely doesn't help with it, actually it could get much bad publicity because of that.

Maybe if you individualistically want to express your ideology through the burning of churches, go for it, I wouldn't care a less. But if you want to spread your ideology for other persons, that definitely wont help (maybe some another angsts/pseudos will get interested about your ideology...for a while (how trendy it is at that moment), but it is very hard to get some thinking people or people in power interested from it without get them thinking how radical or 'bad' ideology it might be because of these radical actions).

You need to write books, texts and talk to people to introduce all views from your ideology and through that, spread the word. Convert your ideology into other people ranges of thought, make them to get interested of it and that way they will think of it, if you burn a hundreds of years old church and you assume that now your ideology gets some sort of publicity, yes, it does, but in what way? You ideology will get marked and hardly many people get interested from it (in neutral way).

For example Friedrich Nietzsche had some very radical views on his books, but he didn't perform them on custom. I personally believe that Hitler did draw on some radical thoughts from Nietzsche's philosophy and realized them on his intuition of human race's class division/aryanism (over/sub-human philosophy). If we say that Nietzsche would himself realize his views, he would get smothered quickly (even though Nietzsche got famous because of his views back then).



Usually those Islamic people has done those terrorist actions because of capitalism. Why you wouldn't get down capitalism, it has done most harm to this world. The world will suffocate because of using all natural resources, the rising pollution of atmosphere etc.

Terrorist actions are against this world's security (if we think it about the people get killed etc.) but if we think globally about the 'security', it doesn't do any harm against it. Capitalism/industrialism does. And if this 'security' isn't safed, the whole human race will soon get extinced. But because this point of 'security' isn't relevant, yet, Carpe Diem, live for the moment.

Yeah those Mayhem/Burzum stories are pretty fuckin' cool. But what about those Gorgoroth stories? They haven't killed anyone but their stories are just as cool. Like that show they did in Vatican City. Plus, there singer Gaahl is probally going to jail for seven years for beating the shit out of a christian protester. Gaahl is probally the one most gruesome guy in black metal now. He looks like a fucking monster.

Guys like Varg and Gaahl are the reasons I still like black metal. Plus Gorgoroth probally has the only cool looking corpsepaint out there, and Dark Funeral (except for that bondage suit Lord wears).

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Actually it is 18 months and he is appealing it. Gorgoroth spends waaay too much time on the make up.

There are no differences between Christianity and Islam, the only difference is in it's perception by the ignorant. Both groups contain a fair share of radical terrorists, and both groups also contain peaceful, intelligent people. How you could be so ignorant as to assume that Islam perpetuates hate is beyond me, especially because I suppose I inaccurately assumed that people were perhaps more open minded and cultured in Australia. No religion is worse than another. Religion in general has caused a disproportionate amount of hatred and carnage in this world. If you really think Islam is a threat to the security of the world any more than Christianity or any other religion (and I really hope you don't), then you are far too stubbornly ignorant and hateful to possibly be helped.

good call chris.
The funny thing is, if you do believe in (a) god and god's beliefs. He (it) himself is against organized religion.


ah black metal. Always good for a chuckle.

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It's just amazing how people will allow blind hate to get in the way of blatant facts. When people say stuff like that, they are basically becoming exactly what they hate about other people, and it's ridiculous. Anybody who would burn down a mosque (or any other religious/political building) with people inside is just as much of a terrorist as anybody in Al Queda.

People are so hypocritical it's vomit-inducing.

Actually, I read that he had 18 months, but I also read that it was seven years. Well if they do spent too much time on make up then its okay because they don't look as stupid as most of those black metal idiots with corpsepaint. As long as it doesn't fuck with them getting on stage on time like Spinal Tap. "Gaahl, is my lipstick straight?"

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Bwahaha! Signature worthy, but I'm content with this one. *laughs*

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Fuck Black Metal, Varg Killed Euronymous cause he found gay porn and dildo's in Euronymous's apartment, stabbed him in the head, Eurounymus was to big of a pussy and a fake also why he got killed.

Dead shot him self in the head at Euronymus's parents house and he found him so before he called the cops he took pictures, part of his brain and skull.

'Varg' is in prison and for all that he did he only got 21 yearsin prison

I am aware of the misspelling of Eruonymus I just don't care.

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kickass

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Euronymous wasn't gay.



Dead shot himself at Euronymous' Black Metal shop Helvete at Oslo.



Only? It's maximum penalty in Norway. There are no death penalties.

Ok, I should've said this before:

STOP RESURRECTION OLD THREADS.

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That is an unstopable phenomenon. Newcomers always just try everything possible what can be done in this forum, as well the search option or pressing the page 58 on chit chat forum, then they find some cool thread and announce their opinions into it. After that you all know what happen, other people come and reply something other to it and so on.

Yes, but I am in the process of getting an entire OFFICIAL Black Metal Thread so we don't have the same bullshit questions over and over again.

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You are a fucking moron for the following reasons:

1.) You resurrected a thread in which was dead a very long time ago you NEWBIE CUNT.
2.) Only about 50% of the facts you posted are true.
3.) You spelled Euronymous wrong, you MORON.

There I'm done. For the last time, STOP FUCKING POSTING IN INACTIVE THREADS.

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how did Hellhammer get his hands on Dead's skull? and why did he make it into a necklace would n't they have been like friends or something?

I'm not gettin involved in this conversation, other than my stupid quips.
But think of the logic of this board.
If you post a new thread, which has already been posted (up to years ago) you get shit. People say. "Use the FUCKING search asshole".
But if a person actually searches, and brings up and old thread. You all bitch the poor prick out and say



^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
that.


make up your fucking minds.

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Someone close this please, we are getting the same arguments repeated over and over, everyone has different opinions on this subject, and they all want them heard. Every argument used in this thread has probably been used at least three times before it.

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for the record, Dead actually killed himself in the house he was living in with hellhammer and euronymous.

That's exactly what i mean. There are probably a heap of different versions of how Dead died, personally i'm certain what andrewc said is correct, but there is no need to go on with this argument, it has already proved to be endless.

EDIT: punctuation.

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Hooray for trendkill, at least he isn't afraid to be part of a minority.

This thread is fine, it was an interesting read, and if it weren't for its resurrection, I probably would have never read it. It wasn't ruined because he re-incarnated it, it was ruined because people started bitching about how he re-incarnated it.

So thank you kind sir who made the thread new again.


Here is a perfect example. And yet he didn't want THIS thread brought back