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Old 2005-03-18, 13:53
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sweeping and time signitures

i dont think time signitures is the right words.
an awful lot of sweeping i hear is in triplets, due to the nature of 5 and 6 string sweeping, it seems natural to arange them that way.
but i think it sounds much better in a 16th (or 32nd) note sweep.
ok sorry, im waffleing.
tips, tricks, and examples of non triplet sweep patern construction please.
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Old 2005-03-18, 18:06
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not exactly sure what you mean...if you can sweep and you can also play 16 notes then whats the problem
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Old 2005-03-18, 18:54
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The problem lies in getting a number of notes that is divisible by 4, and can be phrased in a suitable way. I mean, play a 5 string sweep in an A minor like shape. The way I do it, I get 12 notes. Sure, I could play those 12 notes as 16th notes, but then I end up one beat short of a bar of 4/4. So the question is (the way I interpreted it): How do you construct sweeps that function well as 16th notes in 4/4?
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seems like you got a case of stupidphobia
 
Old 2005-03-18, 18:58
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dont put it in 4/4 then
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Old 2005-03-18, 19:01
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Just tell the band that you want the 4th bar in the solo to be 3/4, even though the song you're covering is straight 4/4?

The point being, you don't always have that option. And what do you do then?
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Old 2005-03-18, 19:02
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im sure there is loopholes, there always seems to be (pot would know) but if you were covering a band then why would you change the sweeping in the first place (or did i misunderstand you there?)
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Old 2005-03-18, 20:10
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If you want to play 12 notes in a 4/4 bar, just play them in regular 8th note triplets. Where's the problem ?
 
Old 2005-03-18, 20:43
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i dont see how this could be problem

just do what sounds cool man
 
Old 2005-03-19, 05:25
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Here's an obvious example...


Code:
|-----------------| |-------1-4-------| |-----3-----2-----| |---2---------3---| |-4-------------1-| |-----------------|
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Old 2005-03-19, 15:30
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ah sorry i probably didnt explain myself properly...
im not covering any bands, im trying to put sweeps into my solos.
and im trying to avoid triplets.
G_urr_a and powersofterror have the right idea, i want sweeps with 8, 16, 32 or 64 notes, so thanks for that example.
but i was trying to get the longer fluid sweeps without using the bottom string(laziness).
so far the only way ive been able to do it is to put 2 non arpegio notes inbetween 6 note sweeps.
yes i could start late or finish early, but it sounds unfinished to me.
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Old 2005-03-19, 15:33
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so far the only way ive been able to do it is to put 2 non arpegio notes inbetween 6 note sweeps.
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whats wrong with that, if its sounds good then fuck the rules man

thats like your never supposed to double the 3rd of a chord cause its 'unstabble' but i think it sounds good
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Old 2005-03-19, 15:37
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whats wrong with that, if its sounds good then fuck the rules man

thats like your never supposed to double the 3rd of a chord cause its 'unstabble' but i think it sounds good


pfft who came up with that rule? you can do what ever you like with chords. i once made a chord entirely out of C# notes. i think i called it Db something.

i was just wondering if id missed anything obvious thats all
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Old 2005-03-20, 03:40
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Haha, I think I hadn't read at all your post because my previous suggestion was exactly what you're trying to avoid.

My advice would be : get some inspiration from shred tabs (eg Yngwie, Angelo, etc.) they surely got some new sweep constructions for you.
 
Old 2005-03-20, 11:37
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try this out...

Code:
|------------7-12-7-------7-12-7-----------------7-12-7-------7-12-7-------| |----------8--------8---8--------8-------------8--------8---8--------8-----| |--------9------------9------------9---------9------------9------------9---| |-7-9-10-----------------------------10-7-10-------------------------------| |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| . . . . . .
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Old 2005-03-20, 16:34
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I understand what you're saying, basically that triplet 2 octave sweeps can get kind of boring. Here's an example of what I might do:

-----------------12-17-12---12-17-12--------------------------------
--------------13----------13----------13-----------------------------
-----------14----------------------------14---------------------------
--------14----------------------------------14------------------------
-12-15-----------------------------------------15---------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Here's a basic 2 octave A Minor arpeggio (A C E). All you really have to do is resweep or replay part of the arpeggio. This can also make that part of your solo sound a bit more unpredictable than the regular 8th note triplet sweeps. Try this little trick in different parts of the arpeggio until you find some you like.
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Old 2005-03-21, 16:19
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Download john petruccis "rock discipline" from my songbook. There you,ve got triplets 4 plets 5plets, etc etc and how to "work" with them.

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