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Necrophagist sweeps
How does Muhammed do thoses sweeps so perfectly and how do you guys finger the fretboard? I can play some of the solos and some riffs, just not fast. If you enlightened me perhaps i can do better.
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No worries, I'll just move it to Guitar. Unless you want to know some theory behind how he constructs the arpeggios? Let me know and I'll either leave it here or move it to the Guitar Forum
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I can play some of the sweeps the same speed muhhamed plays them but it takes a while for me to get them down.. Just practice.
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I can play some of the sweeps the same speed muhhamed plays them but it takes a while for me to get them down.. Just practice.
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Ha yeah, those are probably the fastest sweeps I have ever heard.
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I think the hardest part of thoes sweeps in the solo is the far finger stretch and the rythm, not the speed. Took quite awhile to get but really improve dmy playing.
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im terrible at sweeping, but one point of advice is to use your NECK pickup instead of bridge because it is smoother and makes that more fluid sound
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im terrible at sweeping, but one point of advice is to use your NECK pickup instead of bridge because it is smoother and makes that more fluid sound
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also if u sweep on the neck (like touching the fretboard)u wont stick ur pick to deep into the strings (sounds kinda weird) so the motion will be a more smooth, wich makes speed easier (thats my way most of the time though)
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yep neck PU for sure, less harsh and the other notes dont come up as much
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I think the hardest part of thoes sweeps in the solo is the far finger stretch and the rythm, not the speed. Took quite awhile to get but really improve dmy playing.
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well of caorse its harder your sweeping more strings
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I always play my sweeps lightly palm muting the strings to avoid unwanted noise. So no neck pick up for me, but it still sounds ok. I mostly play solos using neck though.
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Although he uses alot of different sweeps he uses this one minor sweep tap thing alot
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just be like me and kick ass and be able to sweep awesomely 
only kidding, I have much more to learn, though I do have the general techinique of sweeping pretty much down.
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Yeah just leave it here then. Thanks.
How exactly are you supposed to hold the cord? Example:
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I lay my index across 14. Hammer the 17 with my pinky. I attempt to hold the two 16's with my ring (but it's hard). Then the 15 with my middle. Am I wrong or do I just have retarded fingers?
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You've got to barre those 16's with your ring finger. The hard part is sounding the notes and then releasing the barre quick enough so that the next string is muted. Practise slowly - make sure you still retain the 'sweeping' motion of you picking hand - and gradually up the tempo as you get it down cleanly.
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cunty thats a sweep right? then you dont really bar the two 16 you roll em
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I don't like doing neck pickup sweeps when I play. I feel like I'm cheating. I'd rather play them with the bridge pickup and have a much a much harder time getting it to sound fluid and smooth. The neck pickup is so unforgiving when t comes to sweeps it forces you to get better because at first all your sweeps sound like shit. And you can flip on the neck pickup and just do retarded shit not even fretting all the notes of an arpeggio and it sounds good, like the guitar player for cattle decapitation.
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I don't like doing neck pickup sweeps when I play. I feel like I'm cheating. I'd rather play them with the bridge pickup and have a much a much harder time getting it to sound fluid and smooth. The neck pickup is so unforgiving when t comes to sweeps it forces you to get better because at first all your sweeps sound like shit. And you can flip on the neck pickup and just do retarded shit not even fretting all the notes of an arpeggio and it sounds good, like the guitar player for cattle decapitation.
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yea I can too, cause it really makes you work and truly master the art of sweeping
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I tend to sweep more on the bridge pickup mainly because I'm just too lazy to switch to the neck pickup
anyways, I've noticed Necrophagist do (I'm uncertain, but I think they've used this before) this-
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i sweep on neck and bridge depends on the solo
like some dimmu solos(actualy its 1 ) i dont have time to switch to neck pu. with no boundaries im usualy sweep on the neck pu cuz it makes it sound better and easier cus itst changes positions a lot
just do whatever feels/sounds right/nice to u
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No way, this post isn't lame at all man. Muhammad and Christian from Necrophagist have truly mastered sweeping. If not, they're pretty damn close. Not only are they fast, they are some of the cleanest sweep pickers I have ever heard. I'm working on sweeping myself once in a while, and I think it'll be a while before I even get close to Necrophagist's sweeps.
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I tend to sweep more on the bridge pickup mainly because I'm just too lazy to switch to the neck pickup
anyways, I've noticed Necrophagist do (I'm uncertain, but I think they've used this before) this-
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Nah, that's a standard 'C-shape' arpeggio that CC's described, Tim. Since Necrophagist tune to D and often solo in the key of D, the pattern needs to be moved back down to the 12th fret.
If the 14 becomes 13 on the high D then the arpeggio pattern has shifted into a different mode and should be:
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Nah, that's a standard 'C-shape' arpeggio that CC's described, Tim. Since Necrophagist tune to D and often solo in the key of D, the pattern needs to be moved back down to the 12th fret.
If the 14 becomes 13 on the high D then the arpeggio pattern has shifted into a different mode and should be:
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I've noticed Necrophagist do (I'm uncertain, but I think they've used this before) this-
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Necrophagist uses, above all, tons of diminished arpeggios... when you hear their music it's blatant.
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but then there is the whole arguement about dimished stuff actually being arpegios or not
i beleive technicaly they are known is a Symtrical (sp) scale (i think at least)
since the scale just generates its self every 3 frets
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An arpeggio is just hitting the individual notes of a chord. A chord is 3 or more notes. So it is an arpeggio.
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Right, now i remember my guitar teacher(classically trained, has a degree in guitar) told me they were closer to arpeggios then scales.
but i still think i remember him calling it a Symetrical scale
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Kissing the shadows by COB is tolerable if you practice the speed, the only hard part is the solo, but practice it slow, you'll get it automatically. Talking about far finger stretching, the rhyme guitar in COB stretches his fingers for one chord from the second to the 7th fret! The note at the 7th fret is a fifth. Since you can play that chord with a normal power chord position, why not do that instead of stretching your fingers all the way to the 7th fret. I can only stretch that far while playing it normally if I use my pinky, but my pinky is my weakest finger. |
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That is the reason that the sweep picking sound to me a lot of heavy if it isn´t used as hard as it need to. I don´t like Necrhophaghist taht lot because it seem like a heavy solo, but The problem aren´t them. ITs ME. 
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like how does a dim sweep look or sumtin?
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That is the reason that the sweep picking sound to me a lot of heavy if it isn´t used as hard as it need to. I don´t like Necrhophaghist taht lot because it seem like a heavy solo, but The problem aren´t them. ITs ME.
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I tend to sweep more on the bridge pickup mainly because I'm just too lazy to switch to the neck pickup
anyways, I've noticed Necrophagist do (I'm uncertain, but I think they've used this before) this-
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those are the easy sweeps, the barring ones are fucking hard
lemme rephrase that, those sweeps are easier
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2005-06-09, 03:36
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the barring ones are fucking hard
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yea, I usually fuck up the roll part and it comes out like sludge
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2005-06-09, 03:36
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do you guys use hammer ons/pull offs when doing diminished arpeggios? since theres 2 notes on each string.
also, some people put a hair tie around their guitars neck, then when a solo comes, put the hair tie around the first fret so it mutes the strings a bit. although a bit gay, it makes for extra clean sweeping.
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2005-06-09, 03:48
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hair tie? Damn lazy bastards... I usually hammer on/ pull off when there's 2 or more notes in the same string.
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2005-06-13, 17:19
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Ok this one is a pretty one, but which are the finger you use???
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Here's one:
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I use this sequenceone.
4p1-2-3-2-1-4-2-3-2-4p1h4....
Or I´ll msut use this one??
4p1-3-4-3-1-4-3-4-3-4p1h4,... |
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2005-06-13, 18:05
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I use this sequenceone.
4p1-2-3-2-1-4-2-3-2-4p1h4....
Or I´ll msut use this one??
4p1-3-4-3-1-4-3-4-3-4p1h4,...
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I do it like this:
3p1-2-3-2-1-3-2-3-2-4p1h4....
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Fine. Thanks
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2005-06-15, 07:21
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No problem, but remember; do whatever is most comfortable for you!
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