hey wuts up...i just started playing drums and i know the type of sound that i want but im not sure how to obtain it. Im in a heavey metal band and the style of sound that i am looking for is shadows fall, killswitch engage, and slipknot's sound. I have a Pearl Export kit with paiste cymbols, evan's G2 heads, pearl eliminator DB pedal, and an Evan's EMAD bass head. For my bass drum i like that heavy metal "clicky" sound w/ a good amount of low end, much like the the shadows fall sound, how can i achieve this sound? also i like the sound of deadened tom's, i put some moongel on them and duct-taped the bottom tom heads, but it doesn't really sound that great, any tips on that would be great too. PLease help me get the tone i want!!!!!!
Evan

Tune the batter head's of your toms so they are just tight enough there are no ripples in the skin. Tune the bottom skins tight, while tapping it and tuning, listen for a ringing, when it stops then leave it there. Make sure you tune each peg the same and in oppsites like doing the tires on a car (you probably know that already though).

Anyways, the snare is a hard one to tune. All of them seem to be different. You should make sure the actual snare is tight, along with the snare adjuster. Tighten the bottom skin and play with the top one until you like the sound. You also have a damper which you should use. Snare tuning is fairly hard.

Tighten your cymbals down quite a bit because your gonna be playing fast. Tightening them will shorten the sustain and make your drumming clearer.

To obtain the clicky sound, you need to loosen the batter head and tighten them all equally, but not very much. Then tighten the front skin so there are no ripples.

Here's a starting point. If you can describe a certain sound problem your having we could probably help a bit more.

oh and make sure there is a large blanket against the batter head inside your bass drum. Thats the key for a good bass sound (very basic sound trick)

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Im pretty sure the shadows fall drummer triggers.

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what are triggers??

It's an electrical device that's put on your drums so when you strike the drum instead of playing the skin tone a signal is sent elsewhere to play a pre-recorded sound. It can be done for clarity (Derek Roddy), speed (Nicolas Barker I think, and it's cheating), sounds you can't achieve by tuning your skins (Shadows Fall) and effects (most goth/industrial bands). Like combining acoustic drums (normal drums) and electric drums into one.

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Nick doesn't trigger for speed, although he is a very light hitter, he can play loud and with dynamics, with him everything is soft rather than loud slow bits and soft fast bits (like the rest of us Mere mortals) and anyway the Drum sound on Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia is the best drum sound IMO ever on ANY album.

and that was triggered.

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Why is nick barker cheating??
He´s just a damn tight drummer, thats all.

Dont turn this into another "triggers are cheating" thread. If you want to learn about triggers, theres a few threads about them so just go look.

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the trigger is where death metal and disco have something in common

shut up about triggers already

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sorry couldnt resist

sweet...well now i know a little bit more on triggers, but getting back to the main point, besides triggers wut else can i do to make my set sound bitchin??
thanks...

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Sorry guys, I thought Nick triggered for speed somewhere. I don't think triggers ar cheating, except when they're used to play a sped up roll, that's all.

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Kickpads on the bassdrumheads...
And I recorded my last time with a stick on the bassdrumhead...sounds weird and PURE punchy...

yea i just put a metal Danmar pad on and its sounds alright...but the click seems to be louder then the low end kick punch that i want...so i dunno if i like it, maybe it will sound better with the whole band, havn't tried it in action with the band yet...and EMAD bass drum heads suck, my next head will defenetly be a superkick II

I´m Using Emperor Bass White Coated and Falam slams......Theire Nice and deeply.

If you are in a band like Slipknot, you should take all of your top heads off and poop in every drum. And then reattach the top head and shake each drum around until it sounds like total shit whenever you hit it.

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Nicholas Barker isnt cheating ! just look a dimmu DVD and you ll see ^^

They guy who was really cheating was the Kataklysm drummer.
When i first saw him at Wacken 2003 i thought yeha he is damnd fast.
But after i saw a DVD of him i was just so dissapointet that he now is on my list of absolute losers.

he totally triggered his snare drum than layed the stick on the rim to have a balancing point and then starts to tremble like if he is under 200Volt.
His stick moves about 2cm up(1 inch) and down on the head !
No wonder that you are fast like hell with this 1 inch movement method but on the other hand
you are so powerless an silent that nobody would even hear it unless you are triggerd like mad.
Thats wht i call cheating on the drums.
I am glad they kicked this loser out of the band.

back to Topic :
It also depends alot on how you play your drums.
when you are a beginner and try to play something it oftens sounds very bad and wrong.
Some years later when you are a much better drummer it often sounds much better even if you paly the same stuff.

I have also a pearl export Drumset with an eleminator pedal and its a very good drumset.
I changed all the original heads to better Remo heads and taped them a little bit. ( just very little ) now they sound great.
I also use kickpads on the basedrum heads.

Yeah dude, im new here and the SF drummer (Jason Bitner) doesnt use triggers. and for the cheapest way to make your toms sound good, take like an old towell and cut it in to about 2 or 3 inch wide strips. then put them across the top between the top 4 lugs then tune away till you get the right note. its terribly cheap and easy, but it works. ive also got a pearl export and never go with the pearl "Pro Tone" heads. they suck. well, get rockin dude

Are you sure? Im almost positive he triggers his kicks. I have The Art of Balance and his kick drums sound extremely triggered. I dont know, maybe he just did in the studio or something but im not a big fan so im not to interested.

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Dude, please think before you spout shit like that, it is called a GRAVITY BLAST and believe it or not but despite the small movement it is very Audible, I use Gravity blasts a fair bit in my day to day practice, and while it isn't as lous as a single stroke roll, I can get it loud enough to be heard, and when I really wanna show off I can do them on my ride as well, and they are audible too, it is ALL about Technique it doesn't matter if your stick moves a tiny amount, you can still get an Audible sound out of it.

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Hmmmm....I bet joey could make you look stupid on drums....

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Joey is so overrated. OK so he's the only nu metal drummer who can blast beat

That`s really disappointing.
Because he was a really tight and solid drummer.
I never heard someone Playing Gravity blasts for so long and tight like this.
I´m shure you`ll hear the snare even if it isnt triggered, but its just easier because the gravity (freehand) isnt that loud.
So I wouldnt call him loser, because anyway`s he was a really nice drummer.
And triggering the snare is nothing else like triggering the drums, its just to keep the same sound.

Joey is a fucking awesome METAL drummer, he used to play in Anal Blast, has covered for Frost and is a Technique freak, he is a fucking tight as shit drummer, and he is a huge Tommy lee fan (+ 10 bonus points)

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about the gravity blast, i dont use it, but i agree now it can be loud as ive been learning how to do it just to know whether it had potential to be used,my main complaint is the volume drop while in transistion to and from a pivot roll. all i do is move my hi hat closer<20"cymbals> and do a regular single stroke roll hitting the underside of my hihats with either both or the left hand, a little trick i learned from watching buddy rich. granted he was able to simultaniously hit the top and bottom with the left as i cannot. another thing about hitting the underside is that you can do all sorts of rudiments with hihat accents. this way isnt 100%, but i suggest anyone try it, the hihat hits can be a little light but i'd prefer it over a light pivot roll, and it feels less counterintuitive to me

I agree

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lets keep this on topic

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