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Old 2005-01-14, 16:51
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how to play some brutal deathmetal

How the hell do i play that first riff from the song "Names" from Decapitated?

the riff goes like

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-|-----------------------| (all notes palm muted except chord)
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-|-3--2-----5-2---2-5----|
-|-1----4-1-----4-----4~-|

I mean.... i have to at least tremlo palm mute all the notes after the chord
to be a little bit like the original.

Please help... riffs like this get me lost
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Old 2005-01-14, 18:14
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You don't need tremolo there........just have to be fast with your alternating up/down strokes.
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Old 2005-01-14, 19:39
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keep trying, it'll click. play it slow if you want, or if you have balls like myself just play real fast till it gets accurate
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Old 2005-01-14, 19:53
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lol... but are u sure that u have to do alternate picking in this particular riff... cus alternate picking is not has intense/heavy has donwstroking... and this riff is brutal.


I always have that problem.. im not happy with the heaviness/intensity of the sound of my guitar... but thats another thread
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Old 2005-01-14, 19:55
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if its not heavy then its clear. there is no really atrocious tone, just inappropriate tone.l
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Old 2005-01-14, 23:46
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keep trying, it'll click. play it slow if you want, or if you have balls like myself just play real fast till it gets accurate


No, more like play it slow alot until the fingering is natural to you, then you should have no problem playing it fast, I do this all the time.
 
Old 2005-01-15, 00:02
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Old 2005-01-15, 07:29
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lol... but are u sure that u have to do alternate picking in this particular riff... cus alternate picking is not has intense/heavy has donwstroking... and this riff is brutal.


I always have that problem.. im not happy with the heaviness/intensity of the sound of my guitar... but thats another thread

Yes man, It's definately alternate picking. Just palm mute the hell out of it.
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Old 2005-01-15, 09:28
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well.... if i tremlo palm mute the riff im am alternative picking it

...but i guess i know what u mean. Ill try it your way, with palm mute and without tremlo.
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Old 2005-01-15, 13:31
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Old 2005-01-15, 15:17
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You really can't play alot of fast paced DM riffs without alt. picking....
 
Old 2005-01-15, 18:13
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well.... but tremlo picking is alternative picking.


I understand that this riff must be alt.picked from the beginning... since it was so damm fast. The question that came up was if either it was tremlo or not while muting.
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Old 2005-01-16, 00:17
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Old 2005-01-16, 01:04
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You really can't play alot of fast paced DM riffs without alt. picking....

you can if you practice, its just hard as fuck
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Old 2005-01-16, 01:43
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you can if you practice, its just hard as fuck


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Old 2005-01-16, 02:04
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well.... but tremlo picking is alternative picking.


I understand that this riff must be alt.picked from the beginning... since it was so damm fast. The question that came up was if either it was tremlo or not while muting.



What the hell does this sentence mean? Alt picking isn't tremolo picking, not in my books anyways. Tremolo picking is fast picking on the same string (triplets, 8ths, 16ths). Alt picking is switching strings but you only hit it once, otherwise it becomes tremolo picking.
 
Old 2005-01-16, 02:47
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Is there really much of a difference between downstroking and alternate picking?

Take riffs from Black Dahlia Murder from example. Should I be downstroking them all? This whole time i've been alternate picking is that wrong?
 
Old 2005-01-16, 11:18
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What the hell does this sentence mean? Alt picking isn't tremolo picking, not in my books anyways. Tremolo picking is fast picking on the same string (triplets, 8ths, 16ths). Alt picking is switching strings but you only hit it once, otherwise it becomes tremolo picking.


Nope. Tremelo picking is just very fast alternate picking.
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Old 2005-01-17, 18:53
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Im not saying that "tremlo" and "Alt. picking " is the exact same thing. I feel the need to use both terms. What i was saying is that "tremlo" is a technique that requires "alt. picking".


Like i said... i understood that the riff is better played with the use of a sequence of downstrokes and upstrokes (a.k.a alt. picking). The question whitch arrose was to know if the riff was tremlo whitch would also consist in downstrokes and upstrokes but hiting the same notes several times.


The big difference here is that tremlo picking something its much easier because u just donw/upstroke all the way full speed through the riff. For me.. in this riff would be kinda of like cheating
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Old 2005-01-17, 19:28
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Old 2005-01-18, 23:13
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If its not played using tremelo on the song and not in the tab, why would you even ask if you should use it?
 
Old 2005-01-18, 23:34
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Is there really much of a difference between downstroking and alternate picking?

Take riffs from Black Dahlia Murder from example. Should I be downstroking them all? This whole time i've been alternate picking is that wrong?

I don't find the difference to be *huge, but there is deffinitely a difference. I say if you play it, and it sounds right, then go with that. If you're so much of a tone nazi that downpicking is the end-all-be-all of heavy playing, then to each his own.

I alt pick MoP.
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Old 2005-01-19, 00:17
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I don't find the difference to be *huge, but there is deffinitely a difference. I say if you play it, and it sounds right, then go with that. If you're so much of a tone nazi that downpicking is the end-all-be-all of heavy playing, then to each his own.

I alt pick MoP.


I alt pick just about everything, except for fast paced power chords, or Palm-Muted constant notes/chords.
 
Old 2005-01-19, 14:51
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down and alternate picking PM, speed question

I know that this is a litlle bit offtopic (and Realized), but my question is, At how many notes can you downsstroke palmuting ( i can play 16 notes in 105bpms aprox -I know i´m slow-) and how many notes can you play palmuted alternative picking?????? ).


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Old 2005-01-20, 03:16
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Well shucks Behemoth, at least you got me beat !
I downpick 16th notes at about 93 bpm. Sucks, but slowly improving.
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Old 2005-01-20, 15:16
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Well shucks Behemoth, at least you got me beat !
I downpick 16th notes at about 93 bpm. Sucks, but slowly improving.


HAHAHHA, we can do a metal group, something like Samael ( i think this ones are) or some slow stuff. HAHHAHA

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